|
I understand the theory behind the rope but given that's some tiny rear end piper cub or something, wouldn't his body weight hanging on the rope screw up the center of gravity something fierce and make it basically impossible to get back in the cockpit?
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 13:30
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 17, 2024 22:38 |
|
|
rscott posted:I understand the theory behind the rope but given that's some tiny rear end piper cub or something, wouldn't his body weight hanging on the rope screw up the center of gravity something fierce and make it basically impossible to get back in the cockpit? Didn't see where the other end is tied to, but it's probably the bottom of the wing strut which is at the approximate longitudinal position of the seat, which is at the approximate position of the CG anyway
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 13:38
|
|
|
evil_bunnY posted:People keep saying that but from the frontier releases it just sounds like they were taken off flight schedules until the figured what happened? In any case, good to know crew's ok, that dude seemed out of his loving mind. I think Frontier said they were suspended pending investigation, the FA union sent a strongly worded letter and threatened a walk-out, and then Frontier clarified that they were suspended with pay pending investigation.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 14:37
|
|
|
vessbot posted:Didn't see where the other end is tied to, but it's probably the bottom of the wing strut which is at the approximate longitudinal position of the seat, which is at the approximate position of the CG anyway Moot point, his belt loop would just rip out if he fell.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 15:22
|
|
|
Seen on twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/IndoPilot/status/1422841945257349125 Particularly fond of the right seat filming the landing on his phone which you can see in a longer vid on YT: https://youtu.be/u1QqQwvoA4Q
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 16:37
|
|
|
It's Paro in Bhutan, some YouTuber also filmed during an approach a few years ago, I noticed they're all chatting during critical phases of flight, a violation of sterile cockpit rules 💩
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 16:39
|
|
|
jfc Jerry doing an overseas gig now?
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 16:48
|
|
|
Wombot posted:I also wonder if, for some of the more chudly fuckers, a sudden exposure to "the new normal" and seeing a bunch of people wearing masks (and being federally required to mask) risks popping their alternative reality field, which additionally adds stress. yeah, its definitely a political culture war thing, not the combination of the worst experience in the world (airline travel) and the immense stress that a year and half worldwide pandemic in crushing late stage capitalism has put on people.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 16:54
|
|
|
Mao Zedong Thot posted:yeah, its definitely a political culture war thing, not the combination of the worst experience in the world (airline travel) and the immense stress that a year and half worldwide pandemic in crushing late stage capitalism has put on people.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 17:29
|
|
|
kalleth posted:Seen on twitter I'm getting one of those scratch maps, but for where not to fly.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 18:28
|
|
|
Carth Dookie posted:Man if I had to tape some psycho up on a plane I would wrap em up like a mummy, each testicle wrapped up like a Hershey's kiss. Goodbye eyelashes and all hair when the tape comes off. Gonna look like that hairless North Korean dude in Die another day. mlmp08 posted:Some people always gotta post their kinks Foreverial Tapedup Jake, fully delitaped and loving it.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 19:13
|
|
|
Ola posted:I'm getting one of those scratch maps, but for where not to fly. I think it'd be a shorter list if you just listed remote Himalayan airports with easy, straightforward approaches.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 19:17
|
|
|
mlmp08 posted:Moot point, his belt loop would just rip out if he fell. Fist I lolled at that but then saw that it's actually tied to his belt, and not a belt loop on his pants. So, slightly less hilariously stupid?
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 20:51
|
|
|
Unintentional skycock is best skycock: https://onemileatatime.com/air-india-flight-diverts-bat/
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 20:52
|
|
|
Safety Dance posted:I think it'd be a shorter list if you just listed remote Himalayan airports with easy, straightforward approaches. Oh it's country by country with a fairly wide scraper.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 23:05
|
|
|
I've actually had worse luck with flight attendants than with passengers, probably because our gate agents put the kibosh on a lot of the bullshit before it gets to the plane. Unfortunately, I keep getting stuck with a flight attendant who is not only racist ("I left California because there's too many Mexicans"), but way into all the culture wars stuff (introduced herself to someone in the crew room at 5am with "HOW CAN GOD BLESS AMERICA IF WE KEEP KILLING BABIES!"), and believes every single right wing conspiracy theory you can think of. I've had to tell her multiple times that she has to wear a mask, said mask can't be under her nose, and no, it can't be one of those idiotic mesh ones. The last straw was when I saw her completely ignore passengers not wearing a mask, and then egging on another crazy anti-mask passenger, at which point I threatened to leave her rear end in Montana and ferry the airplane back empty, since her repeated refusal to follow policies for masks meant I had zero confidence she'd follow our safety policies. Unfortunately, she's been here long enough that she somehow manages to avoid being fired for all of this poo poo, but since I've also seen the airline fail to fire a flight attendant for publicly threatening to kill Muslims on multiple occasions, apparently our HR just loves them some batshit insane flight attendants. azflyboy fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Aug 5, 2021 |
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 23:05
|
|
|
*scratches US off no-fly map*
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 23:18
|
|
|
azflyboy posted:I've had to tell her multiple times that she has to wear a mask, said mask can't be under her nose, and no, it can't be one of those idiotic mesh ones. I would be livid about the mesh mask thing.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2021 23:48
|
|
|
kalleth posted:Seen on twitter So Mentour Pilot did a reaction video and it turns out the story's a little more complicated. Not that he thinks everyone did a great job, but that it's not as bad as it looks. (Though he does go after the right seat for filming the landing.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tga6fn6nXI It's one of those dangerous Himalayan high altitude airports where there's no way to fly a conventional stabilized approach. The turn to final requires a right turn uncomfortably close to a hill, and as you level out the runway threshold is right there - there's maybe a few hundred feet left. Bhutan's air authority limits who is allowed to fly into this airport as PIC. There's three paths to doing it the for first time. One of them matches what seems to be going on here: you can hire one of the qualified experienced pilots to sit in the jumpseat and guide your inexperienced aircrew in. In the longer video, you can hear this guide pilot giving instructions. The PF hesitates to obey his request for the right turn to final, probably because the hill looks way too close. So they come out of the turn wide of the runway, the PF has to do Jerry turns to get somewhat in line, and with all the stress he forgets to flare. Oh and it sounds like they might have been fairly committed to landing at that point, giving them an excuse for not going around. I'm uncertain because as a non-pilot I didn't fully understand Mentour's comments about the approach plate and the options it gives for a missed approach.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2021 06:47
|
|
|
BobHoward posted:Oh and it sounds like they might have been fairly committed to landing at that point, giving them an excuse for not going around. I'm uncertain because as a non-pilot I didn't fully understand Mentour's comments about the approach plate and the options it gives for a missed approach. The approach plate has an explicit missed approach point marked -- PR708 if you pause and zoom in. If you reach that point and don't have the runway in sight you are required to execute the missed approach procedure, which in this particular case is a climbing right turn to 16,000 feet followed by maneuvers to loop around and try again. In the flight in the video they were past the MAP (it looks like it's next to that hill on the right) and had the runway in sight, so technically they were okay from that standpoint. However, the FAA also says that at the MAP the plane must be able to reach the airfield using "normal maneuvers" -- i.e. the approach must be stabilized -- and I'm sure the Bhutanese authority has the same rule. So in that light they probably should have gone around. Being "committed to a landing" isn't really a thing, except mentally. You usually have the option to go around at any point in the landing -- even after your wheels are down as long as you still have enough runway left. Aside from extremely weird airports like that one at Mt. Everest where the runway dead-ends in a cliff, you shouldn't be thinking something like "ok, now we have to put it down on this attempt or else." However, in this case since the plane was past the MAP they wouldn't have an explicit missed approach procedure to follow any more. If they rejected the landing they would be climbing out visually, which I imagine could be stressful in that terrain, and calling ATC for new instructions and a new IFR clearance to get back on track. Subconsciously trying to avoid that hassle could have contributed to the pilots trying to put it down despite the bad approach. tl;dr they probably should have gone around, but it's more complicated and the pilots weren't necessarily bad, just kind of overwhelmed
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2021 08:23
|
|
|
Carth Dookie posted:Man if I had to tape some psycho up on a plane I would wrap em up like a mummy, each testicle wrapped up like a Hershey's kiss. Goodbye eyelashes and all hair when the tape comes off. Gonna look like that hairless North Korean dude in Die another day. Ohhh, keep going.... 
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2021 13:05
|
|
|
Sagebrush posted:... One of the things I find fascinating about aircraft is how piloting is basically tailor made to demonstrate the failure modes of human cognition. The cockpit's like a laboratory of loving up.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2021 15:06
|
|
|
Blue Footed Booby posted:One of the things I find fascinating about aircraft is how piloting is basically tailor made to demonstrate the failure modes of human cognition. The cockpit's like a laboratory of loving up. The scientific paper is titled "Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines: They go up diddily up up, they go down diddily down down"
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2021 15:28
|
|
|
To the surprise of absolutely no one the Raptor prototype has crashed following a loss of power: https://www.1011now.com/2021/08/06/...kKIz2ucPt6srtBs Edit: Looks like Peter is ok.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2021 23:42
|
|
|
Nah. That does surprise me. I expected loss of control.
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2021 23:55
|
|
|
What if we get Jerry to fly the Raptor?
|
|
#
?
Aug 7, 2021 00:25
|
|
|
From what Peter the Raptor dude has said on social media, his prop redrive unit failed again. He's extremely fortunate it happened over a cornfield rather than the mountainous terrain he plans to cross. The redrive is one of dodgiest things on the airplane. People have constantly been telling him (a) here is how you're doing it wrong and (b) even if you don't believe us, please please please run the entire powertrain on a test stand for at least 100 hours (and then perform a thorough teardown looking for problems) before risking your skin. He ignored them all because he was "fine with that", a catch phrase he often uses to dismiss criticism he doesn't like. Platystemon posted:Nah. That does surprise me. Apparently a lot of the wobbliness was pilot-induced oscillation, and was plausibly a side effect of learning to fly a canard aircraft. So it might not have been as unstable as we all thought based on the early flight videos. That said, he's conspicuously avoided any kind of real flight test program - the vast majority of his hours so far were gentle figure-8 patterns. He has no idea how it behaves at its limits, or where they might be.
|
|
#
?
Aug 7, 2021 01:12
|
|
|
BobHoward posted:From what Peter the Raptor dude has said on social media, his prop redrive unit failed again. You mean the redrive unit where we could see unpolished leftover machining marks on the pulleys even from a distance in a YouTube video? I'm shocked, I tell you! Shocked! Well, not that shocked.
|
|
#
?
Aug 7, 2021 01:20
|
|
|
Sagebrush posted:You mean the redrive unit where we could see unpolished leftover machining marks on the pulleys even from a distance in a YouTube video? I'm shocked, I tell you! Shocked! Peter Muller posted:After investigation it turns out that the stake washer that locks the stake nut on the prop shaft failed. 40 hours of flying time ago I reassembled that using unused tabs on the washer and it had no play. I'm guessing it was just a poor design and as I said we're not using it going forward. Once the nut came loose the play in the shaft allowed the belts to jump on the pulleys and that was game over. This has become one of his stock dismissals now - "well we know it's bad and it won't be on the final design". So why are you still flying? Why not write off prototype #1 as hopeless and unsafe and move on to #2, with all the promised fixes? (He's got some new investor, btw, who will be taking over future development and manufacturing. This cross country flight is apparently for delivering the prototype to them. It's totally unclear whether this new money has prior aviation design or manufacturing experience, but the money seems to be real - Muller has been cashing out the class of investor who put in ~$20K ea. nonrefundable. Speculation is that it might be Silicon Valley VC money, since Muller has plausible connections to that crowd.)
|
|
#
?
Aug 7, 2021 01:33
|
|
|
Those washers are millions of dollars a piece so I don't blame him for reusing one-time use hardware on a flight critical component.
|
|
#
?
Aug 7, 2021 01:38
|
|
|
“Using unused tabs” is doing some real work in his quote, lmao
|
|
#
?
Aug 7, 2021 08:12
|
|
|
Using a staked washer on the prop drive in the first place seems to me somewhere between overly optimistic and foolhardy, considering that almost every critical nut on an airplane usually gets either a cotter pin or safety wire.
|
|
#
?
Aug 7, 2021 08:26
|
|
|
ZEPPELIN FACTS! Count Zeppelin tested out propellor designs by putting the prop and an engine in a boat, to see what worked best. You heard it here first: Count Zeppelin invented the airboat and he did it before the "real inventor" What now, Alexander Graham Bell, HUH?!? HUH?!? WHATCHO GONNA DO
|
|
#
?
Aug 7, 2021 18:57
|
|
|
Collaborate with poor, doomed tom selfridge on a series of interesting pioneer era aircraft, then mostly give up on aviation in a huff when glenn curtiss very rudely decided to start turning profit?
|
|
#
?
Aug 7, 2021 20:14
|
|
|
Neb have you ever been to the Zeppelin Museum in Friedrichshafen? I went in 2008 and I remember it being pretty great, albeit small.
|
|
#
?
Aug 7, 2021 20:29
|
|
|
KodiakRS posted:To the surprise of absolutely no one the Raptor prototype has crashed following a loss of power: sad but not surprising at all. will he listen to everyone else now?
|
|
#
?
Aug 7, 2021 21:04
|
|
|
marumaru posted:sad but not surprising at all. will he listen to everyone else now?
|
|
#
?
Aug 7, 2021 21:26
|
|
|
marumaru posted:sad but not surprising at all. will he listen to everyone else now? lol
|
|
#
?
Aug 7, 2021 21:36
|
|
|
Listen, the safety of my design made it so that even with a surprise engine out over less than favorable terrain, I was still able to walk away from the crash. we're very close to final design after the minor issue of engine failure in flight is worked out. this is no more bumpy than other flight test programs for aircraft which ultimately were certified. this is america, why are you trying to stifle innovation
|
|
#
?
Aug 7, 2021 21:42
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 17, 2024 22:38 |
|
|
So even if all the problems were fixed via magic, it’s still just on par with drat near every other basic little ppl-fodder kit plane, except it looks different?
|
|
#
?
Aug 7, 2021 21:50
|
|