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PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
but gaiter masks are like one of the worst masks in terms of stop particles from a person???

also they are used by cool groups like hunters/outdoors types and spec op 360 death ops warriors?

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eSporks
Jun 10, 2011

BiggerBoat posted:

I dunno. I still can't figure out what the angle is on the "Covid scam". If it was to tank Trump's 1st term, then it wouldn't make more sense that now Biden is in and *poof*, no more covid and a roaring economy? Or is the Delta variant the new hoax designed to specifically target red states? What's the end game here with unleashing a deadly virus? Government oppression through making people wear a piece of cloth on their face and stay away from each other? Fighting a pandemic is specifically what government is in place to do. It's exhausting watching this here in Florida.

...

Also, was looking for the Schadenfreude thread to post because I had a nice uplifting start to my day this morning. Some Punisher decal Trump sticker loud truck rear end in a top hat was tailgating me going over a 2 lane bridge into downtown St. Augustine, made a real show about passing me when we crossed it and must have accelerated to 40mph in a 25 when he did it. I saw the cop but he sure didn't and I laughed my rear end off when he got lit up.

Knowing the cop though, the guy got let off with a warning once he saw the thin blue line stickers.
One of the main ones I've heard is that the globalists, NWO, and world bank needed to replace our financial system with something new. It's vague, but it's a long the lines of moving away from the gold standard, but new. It's not crypto though, that's how you seize the power back.

The ironic part is that if this does cause catastrophic collapse, they might be right abt the prediction but wrong about the cause and effect.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

I was expecting to see more “vaccines are the mark of the beast!” messaging by now, but maybe pure religious millenarianism is dead or waning badly and pure sci-fi plays better.

We got you covered down here in this shithole state of Florida

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/02/politics/kfile-rnc-peter-feaman-covid-19-vaccine/index.html

some weirdo thankfully not in my district posted:

Amid recent surging coronavirus cases in Florida, a top Republican National Committee official in the state has spread anti-vaccine rhetoric and misinformation, comparing the Biden administration’s vaccine efforts to Nazi-era “brown shirts,” and twice calling the vaccines “the mark of the beast,” comparable to a “false god.”

This man a top GOP official

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Aug 4, 2021

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

DarklyDreaming posted:

At this point anyone who called Obama the Antichrist has focused all their efforts into calling Trump the messiah so yeah, millenarianism isn't "Cool" among evangelicals anymore.

That said, basically every Republican vision of the future comes back to "Rapture with extra steps and more dead bodies" at this point so you can still see the influence on their thought process

It might also be about pigeonholing. If you say that vaccines (or more accurately vaccine cards/passports) are the mark of the beast - and mind you I have seen that making the go around on /x/ and poo poo - you're limiting yourself to only those fascists who are both Christian and of a Christian faith/background that's actually big on the Mark of the Beast. Lots of more 'casual' fascists don't know about that poo poo. If you do what they've been doing and instead say that the vaccine itself is a deadly poison/sterilizer being forced on us by 'the elites' then you leave the door open for anyone and everyone to come in and project their own brand of fascist conspiracy onto it.
Is it Bill Gates trying to depopulate the globe?
Is it a Jewish plot to wipe out white people and replace them with more easily controlled minorities (please ignore that a cornerstone of thought for these people is that black folks are savage and unruly and an uncontrollable blight upon any and every society they are allowed into)
Is it a Satanic scheme to offer up lives to the Prince of Darkness?
Is it a DNA virus that will hybridize us with aliens?
Who knows! The vaccine can be whatever you what it to be, and for whatever purpose! All that matters is it's bad.

I think QAnon has two powerful advantages going for it that none of its prior incarnations had;
-The American Conservative is more stupid and blindly obedient than they have ever been prior and is the product of and ongoing victim of Fox News and similar poisons.
-QAnon is implicitly Christian but explicitly agnostic as regards not only religion, but anything beyond the broad strokes of the conspiracy. Ask three different Qultists who the Cabal is and what their ultimate goals are and I imagine you'll get at least three different answers. The broad strokes, as I outlined them earlier, are broadly agreed on by most Qultists, but the exacts whos and whys I think tend to vary. Like I think they'll all more or less agree on the Cabal's general membership - anyone left of Hitler and/or with ((())) around their name - but beyond that there's lots of ambiguity - like Illuminati conspiracies often have. Is the Cabal a Jewish conspiracy? Satanic? Atheist? Homosexual/Trans? Some permutation of the above? Who knows! Who cares! All that matters is that they are bad guys and will be - if they have not already been - brutally killed by Big Daddy Trump. Oorah!

EDIT: Like I think it's notable and significant that as Conservatives and Fascists in America have gotten more and more extreme and radical, they've not only gotten dumber, but their conspiracy theories and narratives have gotten more and more incoherent and vague. Because the average Conservative is now so radical that the line between the inner narrative and the outer narrative has become increasingly blurred. They no longer feel the need to construct a particularly coherent or concrete outer narrative around their handful of core beliefs.

RoboChrist 9000 fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Aug 4, 2021

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

I think QAnon has two powerful advantages going for it

I think you left out one where, after generations of RWM and talk radio, these people have grown up with an automatic and inherent distrust of news media. Which is fair enough. BUt now they've turned to "trusted" sources of information like FB and YouTube.

Jesus Christ.

You'd THINK that the internet would make these sorts of things easier to debunk. Turns out it just makes us stupid. That'd be a good catch phrase.

eSporks
Jun 10, 2011

BiggerBoat posted:

You'd THINK that the internet would make these sorts of things easier to debunk. Turns out it just makes us stupid. That'd be a good catch phrase.
It does, but its requires 1) googling "<conspiracy name> debunked" and 2) critical thinking.
Going back to 9/11, there were countless sites out there that went through every single theory and debunked each one with well written, well documented evidence, the problem was that you had to actively search for it, and the debunk articles were longer than the conspiracy articles.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
That was part of my first point. They've replaced reality with the Fox News Cinematic Universe and now replaced that with the /pol/ Cinematic Universe.

And it really is shocking to me though still, in at least one respect; my boomer parents always drilled into me how you never loving use your real name online or trust what you read online. Like the internet is this dangerous place full of child molesters and credit-card scammers. My father is a tech-illiterate Fox News fascist who still knows enough to figure out that emails about credit cards and 'there's been a charge on your account' and whatnot are fake. Like the one thing in all of this I find somewhat surprising still is how that generation went from 'the internet is a den of lies and you cannot trust anything you read or see on it and never use your real name on it!' to posting the latest Q-drops on their twitter and facebook which have their real full name and photo on it.

Like I get that part of it is of course the radicalization stuff and the need for ever increasingly extreme and pure content, but surely they could have turned to radio or poo poo for that, no? Was /pol/ truly the only source of its sort of content?

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
https://twitter.com/kibblesmith/status/800073077799473152


and no /pol/ wasnt the only source it did become a big incubator for thse kinds of nazis who could spill out to places like facebook where you cant post porn

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

Phobophilia posted:

https://twitter.com/kibblesmith/status/800073077799473152


and no /pol/ wasnt the only source it did become a big incubator for thse kinds of nazis who could spill out to places like facebook where you cant post porn

I like that he added to that tweet every time it got a few thousand more retweets. The thread is like counting the rings on a tree but the rings are racist conspiracy theories :freep:

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

PhazonLink posted:

but gaiter masks are like one of the worst masks in terms of stop particles from a person???

also they are used by cool groups like hunters/outdoors types and spec op 360 death ops warriors?

Depends on the gaiter. I bought some carhart ones that are thick as any cloth mask, and have a spot for a filter.

eSporks
Jun 10, 2011

As far as I recall, the filtering wasn't what made gaiters bad, its that they are impossible to remove and put on without cross contamination. When it bunches down on itself, the inside gets on the outside, and it gets all over your hands and neck and face.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004



PhazonLink posted:

but gaiter masks are like one of the worst masks in terms of stop particles from a person???

also they are used by cool groups like hunters/outdoors types and spec op 360 death ops warriors?

It's also, at least for me, a clear indicator of someone that's "technically" wearing a face-covering. Very much a "I'm conscious of the pandemic, but I refuse to do what the gubmint tells me to do so I'm gonna technically wear a face covering" kind of thing. 100% of the time, they walk out of 7-11, pull their gaiter down, and hop in the blacked out chevy with the thin blue line sticker.

My impression may be skewed though, because Florida.

Lib and let die fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Aug 4, 2021

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
at least it opaque to light, there's that one notable Karenwoman (or maybe a few) that use a see through mesh.

or some other crazy karen gangs that did crazy poo poo like putting on their underwear.

white people are crazy stupid.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

eSporks posted:

As far as I recall, the filtering wasn't what made gaiters bad, its that they are impossible to remove and put on without cross contamination. When it bunches down on itself, the inside gets on the outside, and it gets all over your hands and neck and face.

Makes sense but I do remember the today doing a segment where they were all blowing out candles while wearing gaiters. Guess that stuck with me

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



Did the date where Trump becomes true God Emperor come and go with loving nothing yet? When's the prophet Liddell's next Great Dissapointment?

Haramstufe Rot
Jun 24, 2016


inshallah

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017




I really can't believe that guy is still posting

He was a Trump Reply guy forever, was one of the big STORM guys from the beginning, and has been thoroughly and utterly blown the gently caress out by reality itself

How does he even go on?

pacerhimself
Dec 30, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

TulliusCicero posted:

I really can't believe that guy is still posting

He was a Trump Reply guy forever, was one of the big STORM guys from the beginning, and has been thoroughly and utterly blown the gently caress out by reality itself

How does he even go on?

it's from last year sooo

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

TulliusCicero posted:

Did the date where Trump becomes true God Emperor come and go with loving nothing yet? When's the prophet Liddell's next Great Dissapointment?

That's supposed to be the 15th. Though Pillowman's already bumped it back to some time in October I think

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

TulliusCicero posted:

I really can't believe that guy is still posting

He was a Trump Reply guy forever, was one of the big STORM guys from the beginning, and has been thoroughly and utterly blown the gently caress out by reality itself

How does he even go on?

looks like his account is suspended, probably as part of the post 1/6 crackdown but I don't care enough to find out

but anyway I'm sure he's off doubling down somewhere, it's not like people who thought Trump is time-travelling JFK sent my angels to save the children by executing the real Hillary Clinton and replacing her with a clone is exactly well-tethered to reality

speaking of which, do the clones of Hillary and Obama eat adrenal glands too, or not? If not then why do we still need to Save The Children, when all the ring-leaders are replaced with harmless clones? If so, then why are the white hats that are in control of these clones letting the abuse go on?

and did we ever get to see the Mole Children pulled from the tunnel entrances underneath the military field hospitals set thanks to the covid cover story?

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
clones are tainted, you need true blue natural humans.

oh wait thats based on a child's / dumb persons idea of supa tech.

FTL, teleportation, and time travel, are game changing things that make any resource enter a post scarcity supply amount. like a continent of organs a mile deep post scarcity

Carnival of Shrews
Mar 27, 2013

You're not David Attenborough
Spotted on gab.com: a sinister anti-intellectual plot based on 'vaccine discrimination':

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Carnival of Shrews posted:

Spotted on gab.com: a sinister anti-intellectual plot based on 'vaccine discrimination':



The majority of unvaccinated people are homeless, or are so terrified of a surprise bill from their insurance company if they have one that they're afraid of the financial implications of getting the vaccine.

Once again proving that the most effective misinformation dances just outside the lines of truth.

eSporks
Jun 10, 2011

Lib and let die posted:

The majority of unvaccinated people are homeless, or are so terrified of a surprise bill from their insurance company if they have one that they're afraid of the financial implications of getting the vaccine.

Once again proving that the most effective misinformation dances just outside the lines of truth.
A centrist friend of mine made an instagram post criticizing the biden plan for its vaccine outreach program. When I asked him why he said "Everyone that wants a vaccine already has one, undersized communities don't exists, and besides, you need insurance to get it."

I told him I have a friend who is traveling nurse that has been going to communities hit hard, specifically a lot of Spanish speaking (he is a hispanic). That actually, the vaccine doesn't require insurance, and thats just the type of misinformation the Biden proposal is supposed to fix. He just sent back a gif of some guy laughing. Some people are just beyond hope.

He himself is vaccinated, but still so brain poisoned he can't see the value in educating others on vaccines. Just brain poisoned against any government aid helping others, but readily willing to accept it for himself.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
i thought gab was dead.

or effectively dead for reasons

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

eSporks posted:


He himself is vaccinated, but still so brain poisoned he can't see the value in educating others on vaccines. Just brain poisoned against any government aid helping others, but readily willing to accept it for himself.

Yet another sad case of the 'gently caress you, i got mine' mentality.

I also enjoyed reading this idiotic tweet:

Today’s Anniversary of Medicare & Medicaid reminds us to reflect on the critical role these programs have played to protect the healthcare of millions of families. To safeguard our future, we must reject Socialist healthcare schemes. https://t.co/mOdUuX7THT
— Elise Stefanik (@EliseStefanik) July 30, 2021

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

eSporks posted:

A centrist friend of mine made an instagram post criticizing the biden plan for its vaccine outreach program. When I asked him why he said "Everyone that wants a vaccine already has one, undersized communities don't exists, and besides, you need insurance to get it."

I told him I have a friend who is traveling nurse that has been going to communities hit hard, specifically a lot of Spanish speaking (he is a hispanic). That actually, the vaccine doesn't require insurance, and thats just the type of misinformation the Biden proposal is supposed to fix. He just sent back a gif of some guy laughing. Some people are just beyond hope.

Your friend sounds like a social darwinist.

There's a gross amount of it floating around and it's not just Republicans either (although a lot of Republican corona talking points are that: you have nothing to worry about because it only culls the weak and maybe that's good, now get get back to work)

The centrist/lib version is that the vaccine is an intelligence test so you shouldn't try too hard to get people to take it, because then corona can do its job weeding out the stupid. And 'stupid' is defined as 'anyone who took longer than me to become fully informed about it and how to get it, for any reason'

indiscriminately
Jan 19, 2007

Lib and let die posted:

The majority of unvaccinated people are homeless, or are so terrified of a surprise bill from their insurance company if they have one that they're afraid of the financial implications of getting the vaccine.

Sincere question, where did you pick up that homeless or bill-wary people make up the majority of the unvaccinated?

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

indiscriminately posted:

Sincere question, where did you pick up that homeless or bill-wary people make up the majority of the unvaccinated?

A combination of feet-on-the-ground interviews done with homeless populations by independent media (Yes! It's still done in the age of Never Leaving The Fancy Studio in New York to Report on What's Happening in the World - Status Coup comes to top of mind) a bit of my own personal experience getting surprise billing statements for my wife and I when we got our vaccines, and the informal input of a small handful of under-employed and homeless people that are part of my little south florida community.

As far as not-anecdotal stuff though -

https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20210421/cities-face-barriers-to-vaccinating-people-experiencing-homelessness

quote:

All adults, including people experiencing homelessness, now qualify for vaccination, “but the patchwork distribution of day shelters, overnight shelters, outdoor encampments — sanctioned

and unsanctioned — and other homeless service providers means that offering vaccines to people experiencing homelessness involves many separate outreach events,” Rowan said.

“This is further complicated by the need for second clinics for individuals at various locations who received one of the approved messenger RNA vaccines offered by public health teams before the Johnson & Johnson vaccines were available,” she said.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/07/19/covid-vaccination-rates-lag-outbreaks-spread-in-bay-area-homeless-shelters/

quote:

In some counties, unhoused people are getting vaccinated at close to half the rate of the general population. Other counties aren’t even tracking vaccination rates in homeless communities, making it all but impossible to gauge their success and target areas for improvement.

Experts worry low vaccination rates, combined with the continued spread of the highly contagious Delta variant and the end of some hotel programs that protected unhoused people, are putting homeless communities at risk. A major outbreak at a Santa Rosa homeless shelter this month has infected dozens of people, while Alameda County and San Francisco have reported smaller outbreaks in their unhoused communities.

[...]

Santa Clara County’s Valley Homeless Healthcare Program surveyed 1,800 of its unhoused patients and found 70% were vaccinated, according to spokeswoman Joy Alexiou. But at encampments, only between 30% and 40% of people offered a vaccine have accepted.

“You have to be able to trust science, you have to be able to trust the health care system, you have to be able to trust the people you’re around,” said Dr. Margot Kushel, professor of medicine and director of the UCSF Center for Vulnerable Populations. “And I think people who are homeless often have had a lot of trauma and a lot of reasons to not trust those systems.”


Hell, I have insurance, and apparently a half-decent plan at that, and I still don't trust the health care system to do the right thing when there's a chance for them to make a buck. They're trying to bill people, and only going "oops, that must have been a clerical error! ahaha such a silly little mistake!" when you call and say the news man on the teevee told you it should be free

Lib and let die fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Aug 6, 2021

Carnival of Shrews
Mar 27, 2013

You're not David Attenborough

PhazonLink posted:

i thought gab was dead.

or effectively dead for reasons

It's surprisingly alive, despite the fact that their site security was and is a festering open sore (so I can see very little of gab, because the site soon starts asking you to register to actually see replies to featured posts, or join chat groups; screw that). Few people on there seem to care that the site accidentally doxxed them by having awful security whilst also being an obvious hacker target. It's gradually become ever more of a platform for established Q and alt-right people to push their own channels and merch.

It has an Alexa rank of #2,130 -- not massive, but not shabby. It's doing far better than Parler, for example, at #9,870.

There are still plenty of Qanon gab groups, and featured Q-peddlers on the landing page, and Covid-dusted Satanic Panic stuff like this is ever-popular:

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

Carnival of Shrews posted:


There are still plenty of Qanon gab groups, and featured Q-peddlers on the landing page, and Covid-dusted Satanic Panic stuff like this is ever-popular:



I have to wonder how many people actually believe this poo poo, and how many people make posts like this 'for the lulz'.

Then I remember Jan 6th and I get really sad.

Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous



Fireflies: The Devil's Nightlight?!

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
ah yes this enzyme definitely is ultra satan jizz and not just something to do with light bringing or in this case biolum stuff.

god, the translation skills of tinhats remains abysmal. like completely out of sinster field.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

I wonder if luciferase is real, that sounds like the kind of whimsical name bionerds would pick for a glowing enzyme.

Ha! It is!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferase

Fireflies: biowarfare agents of Satan

Carnival of Shrews
Mar 27, 2013

You're not David Attenborough
There are news articles about the luciferase tattoo from 2019 [edited for a better link from Sci Am], but it made a perfect misinformation storm when mixed with Covid.

Scientists: No matter how tempting, never name anything after Satan, Lucifer, or anything or anyone else connected to Hell, even if you're just calling an enzyme 'luciferase' because it makes light. It never ends well once the pareidolia sets in.

Cimber posted:

I have to wonder how many people actually believe this poo poo, and how many people make posts like this 'for the lulz'.

Yeah, this stuff is gab gospel. I reckon some of the durability of gab is down to the fact that it's not astroturfed; its CEO Andrew Torba firmly believes his Twitter clone is a key weapon in the eternal fight against Old Scratch himself.

Carnival of Shrews fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Aug 6, 2021

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
currently going down an Etymology rabbit hole,but there's a ton of words with the latin word for light if you know what to look for.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

I wonder if naming the mRNA sequence "Jesu-Christos Nucleic Acid" would have worked

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

VitalSigns posted:

I wonder if naming the mRNA sequence "Jesu-Christos Nucleic Acid" would have worked

No, that would have evoked an "even the devil can quote scripture"

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



PhazonLink posted:

currently going down an Etymology rabbit hole,but there's a ton of words with the latin word for light if you know what to look for.

I mean, even the word "light" is from the same PIE root.

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

PhazonLink posted:

ah yes this enzyme definitely is ultra satan jizz and not just something to do with light bringing or in this case biolum stuff.

god, the translation skills of tinhats remains abysmal. like completely out of sinster field.
But there's no such thing as coincidence! :tinfoil:

Xiahou Dun posted:

I mean, even the word "light" is from the same PIE root.
And PIE was the 'Paedophile Information Exchange', thus proving that the pizza dough tunnels are real!

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