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FilthyImp: Sep 30, 2002; Anime Deviant

Class Warcraft posted:

also lifting restrictions in the middle of the pandemic surge, probably leading to the death of thousands of Californians.

There was a surge of mass crazy where we were go na OPEN ER UP come hell or high water.

Hell, the LA school district had teachers returning to campus to teach in empty classrooms last semester.

Not to excuse the dude, but people really just decided it was "good enough"

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 05:10

Psychomax: Apr 4, 2009

Canasta_Nasty posted:

There's several problems with it:
1) The delta variant has been shown to be transmissible even between two vaccinated people. Thankfully the vaccine continues to be effective in preventing mass deaths, but there remain breakthrough cases of vaccinated people being hospitalized or dying, as well as the effects of long-COVID.
2) The majority of unvaccinated Californians are children, many of whom are too young to get a vaccine even if they wanted. Since vaccinated adults can effectively transmit to children, encouraging the public to go unmasked is almost guaranteeing that every child will be infected, particularly with Newsom's push for in person instruction. A lot of horrifying but rare complications like MIS-C start piling up if you allow millions of children to get infected. It also appears that 5-15% of infected children suffer from long COVID, which includes loss of gray matter in the brain in the areas responsible for taste, smell, and memory. It's impossible to know at this stage the long term medical effects of COVID, but current studies show the short term effects are worse than lead poisoning.
3) Allowing the delta variant to spread through a partially vaccinated population creates the perfect evolutionary conditions for the virus to completely escape our current vaccines. Already the delta variant is virulent enough and sufficiently resistant to current vaccines that herd immunity cannot be achieved against it by vaccination alone. If this happens we'll be seeing surges of new variants and deadly outbreaks for years if not decades to come.

I'm working on a statement and some ads for my gubernatorial campaign, calling for a zero COVID strategy. https://socialism2021.com

Thank you for this earnest response.

# ? Aug 7, 2021 16:41

sb hermit: Dec 13, 2016

Of course, another option is to run an actual democratic candidate as the other choice, and abandon the recalled governor. Or keep the recalled governor and still run a recall candidate, with the assumption that the republican vote will be split among one or more republican candidates anyway.

And even if the recall goes through, it would only be because of a confluence of events caused by the pandemic that allowed the recall in the first place. For another recall to succeed with a governor like the gavbot, it would require another situation with difficult (and unpopular) decisions to be made, and the exacerbation of existing problems like homelessness and wildfires. Oh, and shooting themselves in the foot by not following their own mandates. Had there been no pandemic, I don't think the recall effort would have ever reached the ballot.

# ? Aug 7, 2021 16:50

sb hermit: Dec 13, 2016

DaveWoo posted:

I think the bigger long-term effect of a successful recall is that every Dem governor going forward will be constantly looking over their shoulder for a potential recall effort from the right, which will make passing meaningful progressive policy that much more difficult. Which is why I personally can't really get behind the whole "wouldn't it be funny if Gavin got recalled lol" thing.

Oops, I forgot to quote this. Given what I said above, I don't think that this is the case. As in, I think progressive policies can still be advanced, particularly if they're made as part of someone's platform before getting elected.

# ? Aug 7, 2021 16:53

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Batten down your houses. Attach your n95 filters. Air quality in half of California is unbelievable bad and will get worse. Don't brush THIS OFF. Cancer rates will spike over the next ten years from people keeping a window cracked the entire time the orange hell is upon us. Goons have come up with good alternatives to buying air filter units. If yo have a window that isn't closing all the way duct tape it. If worse is worse then make a single room your clean air room.

Gavchex are coming soon. Invest in a HEPA air filter unit If you can.

# ? Aug 7, 2021 16:53

Infinite Karma: Oct 23, 2004; Good as dead

sb hermit posted:

Of course, another option is to run an actual democratic candidate as the other choice, and abandon the recalled governor. Or keep the recalled governor and still run a recall candidate, with the assumption that the republican vote will be split among one or more republican candidates anyway.

And even if the recall goes through, it would only be because of a confluence of events caused by the pandemic that allowed the recall in the first place. For another recall to succeed with a governor like the gavbot, it would require another situation with difficult (and unpopular) decisions to be made, and the exacerbation of existing problems like homelessness and wildfires. Oh, and shooting themselves in the foot by not following their own mandates. Had there been no pandemic, I don't think the recall effort would have ever reached the ballot.

It doesn't take a genius to tell the anti-recall voters (who are a majority in the state, and low-turnout special elections are the only way this recall is even viable) to vote no on the recall, and for question 2, select the Lieutenant Governor or something. They don't need to advertise some new face to compete with Gavin, just let people vote to promote the currently elected "State Vice President", at least it would be organized.

# ? Aug 7, 2021 17:26

Kaal: May 22, 2002; through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

It's pretty clear that the recall law is blatantly anti-democratic, and anyone supporting it is an absolute moron. What else can be said?

https://calmatters.org/commentary/2021/07/4-needed-reforms-of-californias-recall-election-rules/

# ? Aug 7, 2021 17:34

Sydin: Oct 29, 2011; Another spring commute

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Batten down your houses. Attach your n95 filters. Air quality in half of California is unbelievable bad and will get worse. Don't brush THIS OFF. Cancer rates will spike over the next ten years from people keeping a window cracked the entire time the orange hell is upon us. Goons have come up with good alternatives to buying air filter units. If yo have a window that isn't closing all the way duct tape it. If worse is worse then make a single room your clean air room.

Gavchex are coming soon. Invest in a HEPA air filter unit If you can.

Not that I particularly enjoy telling people to buy Amazon, but it's better than breathing in smoke so cross-posting from the Bay Area thread:

Sydin posted:

Still a little expensive, but there's a deal right now on Amazon to shave ~$17 off this HEPA air purifier. They have the replacement filters in stock too.

# ? Aug 7, 2021 19:52

e.pilot: Nov 20, 2011; sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

another thing to get is a MERV13 air filter for your HVAC unit, then anytime your AC or heat runs, or just running the fan, it filters everywhere

# ? Aug 7, 2021 20:43

Henrik Zetterberg: Dec 7, 2007

Those air purifiers seem like a great idea until I remember we�re a family of 7 and I ain�t buying 7 of them and refill filters.

If I were single in a 1-2BR apartment, sure.

# ? Aug 7, 2021 20:54

Cup Runneth Over: Aug 8, 2009; She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

Those air purifiers seem like a great idea until I remember we�re a family of 7 and I ain�t buying 7 of them and refill filters.

If I were single in a 1-2BR apartment, sure.

Hmmm, short-term financial gain or the long-term health of my entire family?

Just make seven of these instead of doing nothing: https://www.texairfilters.com/a-variation-on-the-box-fan-with-merv-13-filter-air-cleaner/ (preferably with the shroud too)

# ? Aug 7, 2021 22:48

Henrik Zetterberg: Dec 7, 2007

We have a MERV13 filter on our AC unit already, but that�s a decent idea if you don�t.

# ? Aug 7, 2021 23:30

sb hermit: Dec 13, 2016

Infinite Karma posted:

It doesn't take a genius to tell the anti-recall voters (who are a majority in the state, and low-turnout special elections are the only way this recall is even viable) to vote no on the recall, and for question 2, select the Lieutenant Governor or something. They don't need to advertise some new face to compete with Gavin, just let people vote to promote the currently elected "State Vice President", at least it would be organized.

I mean, I'm not advocating for a new face. I think it's fine to have Lieutenant Governor ... uh (psst, help me out google) Eleni Kounalakis run as a replacement. But the fact of the matter is that she isn't on the ballot in the first place.

I just hope that we get away from the "what makes sense" solutions if they don't actually work.

# ? Aug 7, 2021 23:31

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

Those air purifiers seem like a great idea until I remember we�re a family of 7 and I ain�t buying 7 of them and refill filters.

If I were single in a 1-2BR apartment, sure.

Like I said, Make a clean room in your house so you have a place to breathe in clean air for a good bit. It will help to interrupt the consistency of toxins going into your lungs.

# ? Aug 8, 2021 02:21

sb hermit: Dec 13, 2016

California GOP opts not to endorse a specific candidate for the recall.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/california-gop-nixes-endorsement-fight-newsom-recall-79341944

# ? Aug 8, 2021 04:53

BeAuMaN: Feb 18, 2014; I'M A LEAD FARMER, MOTHERFUCKER!

sb hermit posted:

California GOP opts not to endorse a specific candidate for the recall.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/california-gop-nixes-endorsement-fight-newsom-recall-79341944

Heh. That means Faulconer is out.

# ? Aug 8, 2021 05:47

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

BeAuMaN posted:

Heh. That means Faulconer is out.

That's what he gets for having a misspelled name

# ? Aug 8, 2021 06:54

Sydin: Oct 29, 2011; Another spring commute

sb hermit posted:

California GOP opts not to endorse a specific candidate for the recall.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/california-gop-nixes-endorsement-fight-newsom-recall-79341944

lol

# ? Aug 8, 2021 19:33

Shear Modulus: Jun 9, 2010

sb hermit posted:

California GOP opts not to endorse a specific candidate for the recall.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/california-gop-nixes-endorsement-fight-newsom-recall-79341944

cowards too embarrassed to endorse larry elder

# ? Aug 8, 2021 19:38

Celexi: Nov 25, 2006; Slava Ukraini!

e.pilot posted:

another thing to get is a MERV13 air filter for your HVAC unit, then anytime your AC or heat runs, or just running the fan, it filters everywhere

just be careful as a lot of cheap garbage hvac units blowers don't like the added pressure.

# ? Aug 8, 2021 22:17

eSporks: Jun 10, 2011

My friend at work heard that if you vote no for the recall you aren't allowed to vote for number two. I know this is incorrect, but it has me wondering if someone started spreading this to own the libs.

# ? Aug 9, 2021 03:37

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

eSporks posted:

My friend at work heard that if you vote no for the recall you aren't allowed to vote for number two. I know this is incorrect, but it has me wondering if someone started spreading this to own the libs.

I imagine the ballot would say that they could vote for a candidate even if they vote no, so the blame would then be on them for not reading instructions.

E: that may sound callous but conservatives are just toxic manipulative assholes, that's what they do. The responsibility lies on the ballot creators to be clear and the voters to pay attention.

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Aug 9, 2021

# ? Aug 9, 2021 04:27

Canasta_Nasty: Aug 23, 2005

https://twitter.com/two__evils/status/1424905445836161026

# ? Aug 10, 2021 20:48

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Canasta_Nasty posted:

https://twitter.com/two__evils/status/1424905445836161026

I like this proposal:
https://twitter.com/adrielhampton/status/1424927041774702599?s=20

A BS solution to the BS recall process

# ? Aug 10, 2021 21:14

Shear Modulus: Jun 9, 2010

if christine pelosi is trial ballooning that then their internal polling must be apocalyptic

# ? Aug 10, 2021 22:04

Sydin: Oct 29, 2011; Another spring commute

Gavin resigns which legally defuses the recall, then gets appointed as Lt. Governor. Eleni waits until the signatures are there to recall her, then resigns and Newsom becomes governor, whereupon he appoints Elani to Lt. Governor. Rinse repeat until the entire state is simultaneously on fire and under water.

# ? Aug 10, 2021 22:34

Canasta_Nasty: Aug 23, 2005

Sydin posted:

Gavin resigns which legally defuses the recall, then gets appointed as Lt. Governor. Eleni waits until the signatures are there to recall her, then resigns and Newsom becomes governor, whereupon he appoints Elani to Lt. Governor. Rinse repeat until the entire state is simultaneously on fire and under water.

Learn this one weird trick Republicans don't want you to know about

# ? Aug 10, 2021 22:38

Canasta_Nasty: Aug 23, 2005

The local paper interviewed me and to be blunt they asked way better questions than the Sac Bee or San Diego Union Tribune.

"E'ville Eye posted:

3). Can you letter grade Gavin Newsom�s performance and detail why you think he should or should not be recalled?

This recall campaign has been overwhelmingly funded by far-right forces trying to overturn even the most minimal measures to contain the pandemic. So I am calling on people to vote no on the recall. That said, these far-right forces were only able to gather enough signatures for the recall because of Newsom�s complete mishandling of the pandemic. I�m running in the recall to provide a left-wing alternative, fighting to eliminate COVID transmission in California.

I would give Newsom�s performance a D. He has never had a serious plan to contain the pandemic other than to hope that vaccines alone would take care of it. Basic information like the number of cases coming out of schools was not collected by the state and contact tracing was never really developed in the early stages of the pandemic when this could have been contained quickly and cheaply. The lockdown measures were enacted on a patchwork basis with no coherent statewide standards and large businesses like Tesla were allowed to defy local health authorities while small businesses and workers suffered.

Now we�re seeing the entirely predictable new wave of the pandemic coming after Newsom threw the state open on June 15, and it will only get worse as he pushes in person instruction in K-12 schools. The bipartisan decision to not even attempt ending the pandemic was unscientific and homicidal. He did not do as poorly as the governors of Florida or Texas but that is an incredibly low bar and nowhere near what we need to eradicate Sars-Cov-2.

# ? Aug 11, 2021 00:49

BeAuMaN: Feb 18, 2014; I'M A LEAD FARMER, MOTHERFUCKER!

Shear Modulus posted:

if christine pelosi is trial ballooning that then their internal polling must be apocalyptic

Nah, looking up the source article, that's from 3/24/2021:
https://www.politico.com/states/cal...gret-it-1369438

The idea of CA DEM doing a resignation after a recall election has been initiated but before it could be finished in order to preserve control over the office would be hilarious. The political fallout would be an order of magnitude more interesting to watch than the current clown car pileup.

Canasta_Nasty posted:

The local paper interviewed me and to be blunt they asked way better questions than the Sac Bee or San Diego Union Tribune.

That's a great response :thumbsup:

BeAuMaN fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Aug 11, 2021

# ? Aug 11, 2021 00:54

droll: Jan 9, 2020; by Azathoth

Canasta_Nasty posted:

The local paper interviewed me and to be blunt they asked way better questions than the Sac Bee or San Diego Union Tribune.

Not specific to this interview, but generally do you have a site we can link to that gets into the nitty gritty of your policies? Your website is only a single page with a few paragraphs but its not good content to share with people I know that aren't socialists.

If I could link something that hits on the pandemic, wealth inequality, climate change and it didn't get into Marxism it would really help me spread your messages.

Also some of us don't have social media (deleted Facebook and insta, hit the gym etc) so a website instead of Instagram posts would be especially helpful.

droll fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Aug 11, 2021

# ? Aug 11, 2021 03:07

a.lo: Sep 12, 2009

Use the National Guard to round up the homeless? And where would they take them?

# ? Aug 11, 2021 03:55

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

a.lo posted:

Use the National Guard to round up the homeless? And where would they take them?

The plan is to "compassionately" round people up into camps.

quote:

-The National Guard will be tasked with compassionately serving our homeless community during the first 60 days of Kevin Paffrath�s administration. Day 1, construction will also begin on 80, new Emergency Facilities (this might be converted, existing/vacant commercial buildings, since so many businesses went out of business during California�s lockdowns). During the first 30 days, the National Guard will also deploy to serving our homeless communities where they are with food and temporary bathrooms, providing reasonable and humane safety and services. After 30 days, our transition to housing begins. Modern Emergency Facilities will include: mental-health facilities, detox facilities, educational facilities, canteens, and provide medical support for ALL Californian as a bare-minimum, social safety net.

-These facilities are OPTIONAL. However, NO homeless person will sleep on the streets of California after 60 days (this is illegal anyway). Anyone can sleep at an Emergency Facility, eat, shower, and leave.

Presumably anyone who refuses this very optional experience will be compassionately shot or thrown into prison.

# ? Aug 11, 2021 04:09

BeAuMaN: Feb 18, 2014; I'M A LEAD FARMER, MOTHERFUCKER!

Wicked Them Beats posted:

Presumably anyone who refuses this very optional experience will be compassionately shot or thrown into prison.

They'll be (heavily) "encouraged" to sign up for the ~~mandatory~~ apprenticeship in forest firefighting to give them great work experience.

# ? Aug 11, 2021 05:42

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

BeAuMaN posted:

They'll be (heavily) "encouraged" to sign up for the ~~mandatory~~ apprenticeship in forest firefighting to give them great work experience.

They can join the neighborhood chain gangs he'll be establishing

quote:

Additionally: Non-violent inmates in jails/prisons will have the option, if qualified, to work community service in neighborhoods they committed crimes in, under police supervision. Prisoners should contribute to our society; society shouldn�t only contribute to them.

Inmates will clean our streets, roads, towns/cities, and remove graffiti. This presence also helps us integrate into our communities, thereby again reducing crime by being present, without a goal of over-policing.

Just think about how good it will be for your community to have a bunch of cops hanging out and forcing labor out of your friends and neighbors that they've locked up. Will really bring us all together.

# ? Aug 11, 2021 06:11

Sydin: Oct 29, 2011; Another spring commute

Wicked Them Beats posted:

"-These facilities are OPTIONAL. However, NO homeless person will sleep on the streets of California after 60 days (this is illegal anyway)."

Totally optional to participate in this program homeless people, but also if you refuse after 60 days then your rear end is getting tossed in prison. Don't cha know it's illegal to sleep on the streets?!

# ? Aug 11, 2021 06:46

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

A new competitor has risen to challenge PG&E

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1425309055816458241

# ? Aug 11, 2021 06:51

Cicero: Dec 17, 2003; Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

quote:

Gary Stephen Maynard, 47, is believed to have worked at a number of colleges in California, including Santa Clara University and Sonoma State University, where a Dr. Gary Maynard is listed as a lecturer in criminal justice studies specializing in criminal justice, cults and deviant behavior.

lol

# ? Aug 11, 2021 07:31

BeAuMaN: Feb 18, 2014; I'M A LEAD FARMER, MOTHERFUCKER!

The Glumslinger posted:

A new competitor has risen to challenge PG&E

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1425309055816458241

Web archive link (to get around paywall): https://web.archive.org/web/20210811064601/https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article253403045.html

quote:

�He was a part-time lecturer in the Department of Criminology and Criminal Justice,� she wrote in an email. �He was employed with Sonoma State University in Fall 2020, but did not have an appointment for Spring 2021.
...
�Gary Maynard was an adjunct faculty member in the sociology department at Santa Clara University from September 2019 to December 2020,� the university wrote in an emailed statement.
...
Investigators tracked Maynard�s address to San Jose, where police said a concerned citizen called them in October 2020 �with concerns about their colleague, Maynard, who worked as a professor at Santa Clara University,� court papers say.

�This concerned citizen told officers that Maynard had told her he was suffering from anxiety, depression, split personality, and that he wanted to kill himself,� the affidavit says. �This concerned citizen said that Maynard had moved out and was possibly living somewhere out of his vehicle.�

Authorities then began tracking Maynard�s movements through his electronic benefits transfer (EBT) card used for public assistance, and through store video recordings, court papers say, and began looking at earlier fires.

Note: Not a tenured professor, but an adjunct on EBT allegedly suffering from anxiety, depression, and other issues while possibly living out of his car. The adjunct system has claimed another one. 2020 is too recent to pull up salary records for Transparent California, and Santa Clara is a private university so there wouldn't be records for 2019.

P.S. Don't become an adjunct professor; it's a trap.

BeAuMaN fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Aug 11, 2021

# ? Aug 11, 2021 07:37

Vivian Darkbloom: Jul 14, 2004

https://twitter.com/TylerDinucci/status/1424883976406147091

Shocked she would retweet that

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Canasta_Nasty: Aug 23, 2005

droll posted:

Not specific to this interview, but generally do you have a site we can link to that gets into the nitty gritty of your policies? Your website is only a single page with a few paragraphs but its not good content to share with people I know that aren't socialists.

If I could link something that hits on the pandemic, wealth inequality, climate change and it didn't get into Marxism it would really help me spread your messages.

Also some of us don't have social media (deleted Facebook and insta, hit the gym etc) so a website instead of Instagram posts would be especially helpful.

It's a good question. I'm hoping to really flesh out the campaign website to go into more detail on all those points over the next week with a lot of supporting material. My goal is to have a series of shorter, focused statements on specific topics and you can expect ones on the wildfires and school reopenings in the next few days.

The best bet so far would be my initial campaign statement as it gives the overview of my positions: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/24/moor-j24.html

# ? Aug 11, 2021 08:01

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