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Tighclops posted:It's T'Pol. T'Pal makes her sound like an anthropomorphized cartoon character. T'Pal the Friendly Vulcan, coming to Lower Decks this fall Meet our new transportation officer, Lt. T'Bob.
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Aug 7, 2021 23:20
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Why do so many people think that replicators conjure food for nothing? They can't break the basic laws of physics. They need energy to work, they can't conjure matter out of nothing so they need a supply of some raw material to convert into food. In Voyager they even talk about "replicator rations". Having replicators means that you don't have to bother with kitchens or food storage, which might be practical for certain environments like starships.
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Aug 8, 2021 19:07
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It's entirely possible to create matter from energy, there's nothing violating the laws of physics about that. It would be vastly more energy efficient to re-arrange existing matter instead of creating it so presumably that's what they do most of the time.
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Aug 8, 2021 19:14
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Grand Fromage posted:It's entirely possible to create matter from energy, there's nothing violating the laws of physics about that. It would be vastly more energy efficient to re-arrange existing matter instead of creating it so presumably that's what they do most of the time. When you're at the point of harnessing quantum singularities for power do you care about efficiency?
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Aug 8, 2021 19:23
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Grand Fromage posted:It's entirely possible to create matter from energy, there's nothing violating the laws of physics about that. It would be vastly more energy efficient to re-arrange existing matter instead of creating it so presumably that's what they do most of the time. Isn't this canon? In TNG they talk about the replicators taking pre-existing matter and rearranging it into consumables
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Aug 8, 2021 19:27
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Grand Fromage posted:It's entirely possible to create matter from energy Kurzon fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Aug 8, 2021 |
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Aug 8, 2021 19:28
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HIJK posted:Isn't this canon? In TNG they talk about the replicators taking pre-existing matter and rearranging it into consumables It’s pretty good, for poo poo.
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Aug 8, 2021 19:33
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How much matter can you create with the amount of energy it takes to go at warp 6 for two hours? My point being that we have no idea how much energy a starship produces. But we also know that replicated apples are literally made from poo poo, and certain things can't be replicated (latinum, dilithium, biomemetic gel, etc).
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Aug 8, 2021 19:36
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It's just more drat efficient to carry some raw material rather than convert energy into matter, because then you're consuming the ship's fuel for that.
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Aug 8, 2021 19:39
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PerniciousKnid posted:When you're at the point of harnessing quantum singularities for power do you care about efficiency? The more energy you're handling, the more important efficiency is. Even in our time the difference between a successful rocket launch and a devastating explosion is a razor thin margin. Even when things aren't spontaneously disassembling, inefficiencies mean heat, and that stuff is hard to get rid of in space.
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Aug 8, 2021 19:51
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Star Trek ships have a limitless supply of energy until the plot demands the ship lose power, then all of a sudden the whole ship is running on about four AA batteries.
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Aug 8, 2021 19:53
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Kurzon posted:It's just more drat efficient to carry some raw material rather than convert energy into matter, because then you're consuming the ship's fuel for that. Maybe it's like the light in your car. Who the gently caress cares if it's on or off, it's not going to affect the engine that's propelling you and your trailer full of trash at 100kmph.
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Aug 8, 2021 19:55
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Ultimately you'd be able to make as much matter as the matter + antimatter you're reacting to create the energy, minus losses for efficiency/other systems. My assumption's always been that the replicators can do that if necessary but 99% of the time they're recycling waste or tapping into tanks of raw elements.
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Aug 8, 2021 20:03
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Isn't there a constant reaction occurring in the reactor with enough energy output to power FTL travel? Seems like they need to do something with that energy when they're not at warp, might as well summon cookies.
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Aug 8, 2021 20:08
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The reaction's always going to power the ship, but they can throttle the reaction depending on how much power they need. It's not always running at full output.
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Aug 8, 2021 20:15
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Roddenberry's depiction of Warp engines is heavily based off of his experience with WWII steam propulsion. I'll just let you chew on that one for a while.
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To jump back to an old conversation the Narada originally looked like a functional little mining ship.  Honestly I'm sad Nero basically got caught out of the movie because he absolutely could have been a good villain if they told his backstory. He was one the Senate as the representative of the mining guild, and he was one of the only people to believe Spock's claims about a supernova in another system being able to destroy Romulus. He and his crew go on to mine this element at great risk, they get shot up by a bunch of Remans, and only get a small amount of what they need. They travel with Spock to Vulcan....only for the Vulcan Science Academy to tell them to piss off, they voted and are happy to let Romulus die. Spock starts doing Spock poo poo and eventually he makes it...but Nero has already left. Nero's ship returns home to Romulus for a first hand seat at it's destruction. At this point Nero is loving pissed. He destroys the Senates evacuation shuttle, the Senate who was happy to not do poo poo while he did all the work. He's pissed at the loving Vulcans who turned their back on their cousins when he was one of the few people willing to cooperate. He just snaps. He goes to the Vault and thanks to the Tal Shiar commander also losing his family, they outfit the Narada, as it's the only ship there, with all their researched Borg ship because gently caress it, let's get some revenge. Nero set course from Vulcan but he was intercepted by a fleet and that eventually lead to him getting sent back to the past. Anyway the point is there actually was substance to Nero and he could've been great, if they actually put any of that poo poo in the loving movie. 
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Aug 8, 2021 23:41
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Eimi posted:To jump back to an old conversation the Narada originally looked like a functional little mining ship. It makes Nero much more compelling, but it also makes his personal vendetta against Spock seem even more misplaced than it was in the movie.
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A.o.D. posted:It makes Nero much more compelling, but it also makes his personal vendetta against Spock seem even more misplaced than it was in the movie. Yeah though that could be changed via some structural stuff. Revealing that Spock did it towards the end of the narrative, or maybe that the ship was nearly unbeatable and the only way the fleet could be saved was Spock using the red matter so it'd crush him in the black hole (and obviously time travel cause movie). I don't think it's insurmountable.
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I'm definitely not a fan of "everything compelling happens offscreen in supplemental material you have to pay for on top of the apparently empty movie/show/game you're already trying to consume" but yeah, all of that was pretty interesting.
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Aug 9, 2021 00:10
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I really hate that he's called Nero.
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Aug 9, 2021 00:16
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HopperUK posted:I really hate that he's called Nero. Yeah it’s so bad. I recognize Romulans are low hanging fruit all the time but gently caress, virtually any other roman name would have been better
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Aug 9, 2021 00:27
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PerniciousKnid posted:When you're at the point of harnessing quantum singularities for power do you care about efficiency? The Feds don't do that though; as far as I can remember, only the Romulans use singularities for power generation. So for most Trek spacefarers, even assuming 100% efficiency, creating mass from nothing would cost half the equivalent mass in antimatter; e.g. creating a kilogram of food would require using half a kilogram of antimatter. How much food does the crew eat each day, and how much antimatter can the ship carry? Surely there's, at minimum, a range advantage to not consuming tons of antimatter just to produce matter from energy.
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Aug 9, 2021 00:35
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HopperUK posted:I really hate that he's called Nero. HE HAS TATTOOS THATS CHARACTER
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The Feds don't do that though; as far as I can remember, only the Romulans use singularities for power generation. It just seems really unlikely to me that the energy consumed by the crew via food is remotely comparable to the energy consumed traveling FTL, even given the inefficiency of digesting food as a fuel.
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PerniciousKnid posted:It just seems really unlikely to me that the energy consumed by the crew via food is remotely comparable to the energy consumed traveling FTL, even given the inefficiency of digesting food as a fuel. If you're creating matter from energy, it doesn't matter what you're creating. A kilo of pie is going to cost you half a kilo of antideuterium and half a kilo of deuterium in the warp core, and that's if it's 100% efficient which it won't be.
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Aug 9, 2021 00:56
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All food is created from poo poo, it's just usually not as direct a process.
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Kurzon posted:Star Trek is not a post-scarcity setting. The Federation, and any of their peer states, are unambiguously post-scarcity societies.
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ashpanash posted:All food is created from poo poo, it's just usually not as direct a process. That's why you have Bolians on board. They anti-poo poo
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HopperUK posted:I really hate that he's called Nero. HIIIIIIIII CHRISTOPHER MY NAME IS NERO  EDIT: also one of my favorite fights is the fight on Empok Nor between Miles O'Brien and Garak while the latter is hopped up on Cardassian combat meth. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Aug 9, 2021 |
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Tighclops posted:I'm definitely not a fan of "everything compelling happens offscreen in supplemental material you have to pay for on top of the apparently empty movie/show/game you're already trying to consume" but yeah, all of that was pretty interesting. It seems to be a recurring tend with big franchise movies made by JJ Abrams that the corporation behind them later have to come long and publish ~$200 worth of supplementary material that explains, clarifies, or just add in the missing steps in the thought process between points A, B, and G because the movie itself doesn't seem to make any sense without them. I wonder why? What's the consistent factor here? 
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skasion posted:Yeah it’s so bad. I recognize Romulans are low hanging fruit all the time but gently caress, virtually any other roman name would have been better Lucius Vorenus and Titus Pullo.
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Tighclops posted:Is there any place one could buy the risian gently caress statue for a reasonable price Quark has a few spares he could probably be convinced to part with one, for enough gold pressed latinum
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Aug 9, 2021 05:23
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We already went over this, TNG era replicators create matter from energy, like a transporter. The wiki makes no mention of "generic food particle stores" or whatever, and the closest the person pushing the theory got to a source was that they might have read it in a non-canon technical manual sometime.
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Aug 9, 2021 08:43
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thotsky posted:We already went over this, TNG era replicators create matter from energy, like a transporter. The wiki makes no mention of "generic food particle stores" or whatever, and the closest the person pushing the theory got to a source was that they might have read it in a non-canon technical manual sometime. The replicators are basically alchemy boxes. Prove me wrong.
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xerxus posted:I forgot he was drinking his own bathwater. I mean, you could have said this without posting the screenshot.
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thotsky posted:We already went over this, TNG era replicators create matter from energy, like a transporter. The wiki makes no mention of "generic food particle stores" or whatever, and the closest the person pushing the theory got to a source was that they might have read it in a non-canon technical manual sometime.
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Aug 9, 2021 10:29
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Grand Fromage posted:Star Trek ships have a limitless supply of energy until the plot demands the ship lose power, then all of a sudden the whole ship is running on about four AA batteries. People say this like it isn't true of literally anything. How much gas does the Sitcom Family's car have? How fast can the Western Hero's horse ride? How many spare mags is the Buck Private carrying? The answer is always "enough, unless the plot demands otherwise". That doesn't make basic plausibility concerns irrelevant. thotsky posted:We already went over this, TNG era replicators create matter from energy, like a transporter. The wiki makes no mention of "generic food particle stores" or whatever, and the closest the person pushing the theory got to a source was that they might have read it in a non-canon technical manual sometime. The technical manuals are written by the show's professional tech wizards, the wiki is written by nerds like you and me
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thotsky posted:We already went over this, TNG era replicators create matter from energy, like a transporter. The wiki makes no mention of "generic food particle stores" or whatever, and the closest the person pushing the theory got to a source was that they might have read it in a non-canon technical manual sometime. We went over this and nobody convinced anyone else. I'm still firmly on the 'matter banks' side. And the tech manuals are written by Sternbach and Okuda, it's directly how they considered these things to work behind the scenes.
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