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Elephanthead posted:Why would anyone cooperate with an nfl investigation Jesus. In the naive hope that the NFL would be seeking to do the right thing I'd imagine. It's not like everyone follows exactly how bad they mess everything up like we do.
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Shinjobi posted:NFL just sitting on their goddamn hands It's not like anyone is going to stop watching To be clear, they absolutely should care but at some point corporations are going to wise up that something getting 50k likes on twitter doesn't actually mean anything especially if it's a monopoly of something very popular. Right now the only thing morality still has going for it is that they do think it matters. sharknado slashfic fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Aug 14, 2021 |
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Aug 14, 2021 03:39
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Intruder posted:Get his rear end
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Aug 14, 2021 04:47
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sharknado slashfic posted:It's not like anyone is going to stop watching The league can survive just doing the right thing about Watson. It’s not gonna touch the bottom line.
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Aug 14, 2021 04:49
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sharknado slashfic posted:It's not like anyone is going to stop watching Yeah they obviously don't based on every investigation they've done. The Redskins one was hilarious in it's stated goal of not looking for anything specific just the vibe of the organization.
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Grittybeard posted:In the naive hope that the NFL would be seeking to do the right thing I'd imagine. It's not like everyone follows exactly how bad they mess everything up like we do. But what’s the possible benefit of talking to an org that isn’t the law and has interests directly opposed to your own? The NFL doesn’t care about crimes or it’s players welfare, they care about money. If anything, they’d happily help get a bunch of top players locked up and start a televised prison league where winning the bowl gets them a pardon.
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Aug 14, 2021 07:54
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Feels like a good time to mention the NFL literally had a video of Ray Rice knocking his girlfriend out cold and dragging her out of an elevator by her hair and did loving nothing until the tape leaked to the press.
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Aug 14, 2021 08:02
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Is this based on him trying to fly people into Texas from other states, or on new information we haven't yet read?
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Aug 14, 2021 13:21
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SKULL.GIF posted:Is this based on him trying to fly people into Texas from other states, or on new information we haven't yet read? Likely the first one
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Aug 14, 2021 13:26
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Maybe a solicitation charge for every encounter? Or would that require the victims to actually be offering sex acts?
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Nodoze posted:Likely the first one I guess that makes that slightly less horrifying? Either way gently caress him.
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Bob Socko posted:Maybe a solicitation charge for every encounter? Or would that require the victims to actually be offering sex acts? Was his intent to pay them for services they willfully provided, or to sexually assault these women? I dont think solicitation charges would be appropriate under these circumstances, and may provide PR cover for Watson to claim that these women knew what they were getting into
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Aug 14, 2021 16:42
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Grip it and rip it posted:Was his intent to pay them for services they willfully provided, or to sexually assault these women? I dont think solicitation charges would be appropriate under these circumstances, and may provide PR cover for Watson to claim that these women knew what they were getting into Yeah, you're probably right. Sorry, I don't know much about how solicitation laws work (Texas or elsewhere).
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I would think it would have to be attempted solicitation, but IANAL so ask Mr. Nice
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Aug 14, 2021 17:29
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The only outcome that can ever come from meeting with the nfl is for them to gather incriminating/disparaging evidence to use against you in the court of law/public opinion if you ever try to take action against the shield. It's genuinely malicious and probably criminal for these so called investigations. Straight up blackmail/witness intimidation pretending to be corporate oversight.
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Aug 15, 2021 03:20
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32044710/fbi-investigating-allegations-houston-texans-qb-deshaun-watson-possible-extortion
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I could imagine a scenario where the FBI is checking out Buzbee because he's trash. I cannot imagine a situation where you convince this many people to falsely accuse a famous person of sexual assault knowing exactly what that's going to mean for your life. But mainly I imagine Hardin's talking out of his rear end.
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Chris James 2 posted:https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32044710/fbi-investigating-allegations-houston-texans-qb-deshaun-watson-possible-extortion I reread this a couple of times. The headline is: "FBI investigating allegations against Houston Texans QB Deshaun Watson, possible extortion" But the only source I see in the article for this claim is Deshaun's lawyer. Am I missing something or is ESPN just being irresponsible as hell?
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Ehud posted:Am I missing something or is ESPN just being irresponsible as hell? Yeah this is just a Hardin press release. It also says this happened in April but he just found out about it yesterday with no explanation, so...yeah. Not the best article.
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Aug 18, 2021 21:40
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Ehud posted:I reread this a couple of times. Hardin getting up on some Smear the Victim.
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Grittybeard posted:I cannot imagine a situation where you convince this many people to falsely accuse a famous person of sexual assault knowing exactly what that's going to mean for your life. It says they're investigating possible extortion in one of the 23 original lawsuits, presumably the same one that got withdrawn and left him with 22, so even Hardin isn't claiming that
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fast cars loose anus posted:It says they're investigating possible extortion in one of the 23 original lawsuits, presumably the same one that got withdrawn and left him with 22, so even Hardin isn't claiming that He's not directly claiming it, but you'll pardon me for thinking he's doing some insinuating here.
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Wow. So yeah, that is a really lovely headline.
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Grittybeard posted:He's not directly claiming it, but you'll pardon me for thinking he's doing some insinuating here. Fair enough
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Ehud posted:Wow. So yeah, that is a really lovely headline. I don't think the actual article is much better, that article is journalistic malpractice. It's just sloppy enough that there's nothing actionable to it.
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Yeah it is, as mentioned, basically a Hardin press release, complete with "would I let my client talk to the FBI if he was guilty HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?????" misdirection
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So... the Athletic reported today that Watson is yet to be interviewed by the NFL.quote:Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson has met with investigators from the FBI but not the NFL, his attorney, Rusty Hardin, said at a news conference Wednesday. What the actual gently caress
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NFL literally sticking their fingers in their ears & burying their head in the sand, hoping actual law enforcement does all the heavy lifting for them.
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Rapport was on Eisen saying the exempt list is for players who "they have evidence that a player has committed violent crime which the NFL doesn't have" which loving lol shitbag mouthpiece
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I don't really understand what the NFL gains by not taking a hardline stance on Watson. They absolutely don't want a Watson subplot heading into the start of the season.
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There's nothing they could do that would eliminate that subplot, they can only change the contours of it, and lots of people will be happy to let them go with "we're just waiting to see what the legal system does"
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Rapport was on Eisen saying the exempt list is for players who "they have evidence that a player has committed violent crime which the NFL doesn't have" which loving lol shitbag mouthpiece You can be put on the exempt list for basically anything at all that’s the whole point.
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BlindSite posted:So... the Athletic reported today that Watson is yet to be interviewed by the NFL. Good. No player under threat of criminal indictment should ever cooperate with an NFL investigation while charges are still pending. Even a complete piece of poo poo like Watson.
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GD_American posted:Good. I'm sorry, why is this a good thing? Is it really that important that Watson be able to play week one? Or do you truly think the NFL is going to unfairly smear Watson based on his testimony? Why should he be able to continue to evade any scrutiny for his actions whilst these women are put under the microscope? unl33t fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Aug 19, 2021 |
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My assumption would be closer to "gently caress the NFL," personally, but this is a weird instance to make that the top priority.
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Shinjobi posted:My assumption would be closer to "gently caress the NFL," personally, but this is a weird instance to make that the top priority. It's a combination of this, and also that whole never being forced to incriminate yourself thing that our legal system takes somewhat seriously. Cooperating with an NFL investigation while under criminal indictment is tantamount to waiving that, which is something that should never be encouraged unless it's to strike a plea deal. Which Watson is very clearly not doing.
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unl33t posted:I'm sorry, why is this a good thing? Is it really that important that Watson be able to play week one? Or do you truly think the NFL is going to unfairly smear Watson based on his testimony? Why should he be able to continue to evade any scrutiny for his actions whilst these women are put under the microscope? The fact that I stated the principle first and how it affects Watson second (which you reversed for this aggrieved response) should have made it clear? The NFL is not a law enforcement branch. They're an employer. Why should any player, when facing serious charges, jeopardize his defense by talking to people who are also subject to being subpoena'd as witnesses? You think telling a player telling his version of events to an NFL investigator has some kind of legal immunity or protection? No. It's as easily cast as a confession as any other discussion. The NFL is also going to act in its best interests, not the player's interests. It's the same reason you never use the company's lawyer, you hire your own. They are not going to protect you if it is in their best interest to throw you to the wolves. For the same reason that Miranda rights, Fifth Amendment protections, and bans on torture affect me and piece of poo poo rapists and murderers alike, I think it's good that Watson isn't talking to the NFL. I'm convinced, as an rear end in a top hat with a laptop and opinions, that Watson is guilty and should never play football again and should gently caress off to jail for a long time. But I'm not legally empowered to enforce that, nor should I be, and (bolding so you get this) neither should the NFL.
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GD_American posted:The fact that I stated the principle first and how it affects Watson second (which you reversed for this aggrieved response) should have made it clear? Completely agree. But as an aside if a player is refusing to cooperate with the NFL's investigation of a possible crime, their policy should be to immediately put him on the exempt list.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Completely agree. That seems easily abused.
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At this point you'd think the NFL would throw the Texans a lifeline and put Watson on the exempt list, but everybody knows Watson wants out of Houston so Texas has to put up the dog & pony show with training camp so it could potentially entice a team to be dumb enough to trade for him. Luckily, no team is that dumb as they can see there's a real chance Watson's legal troubles are legit & they don't want to lose picks/players for somebody that would be suspended/incarcerated. And somehow, Jack Easterby comes out looking like the least terrible person in this Texans organization.
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