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Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

BobHoward posted:

So he worked up procedures which let him stay in the air longer and gave the illusion of forward progress: take off early in the morning when it's cooler, climb at an anemic rate, watch temperature gauges like a hawk, level off and reduce power further as soon as they get dangerously high. That's why he was cross-countrying so low and slow.

He could spin that as "designed using the same principles as the legendary B-29", because that had a similar issue with engines overheating and had to do some special tricks to keep them from bursting into flames early on in its development. I think they had to accelerate straight and level for a while to build up airspeed before climbing to ensure the engines had sufficient cooling airflow.

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slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Nebakenezzer posted:

:psyduck:

FFFFFF

I'm astonished, that's like something one would do when dealing with a junkyard oldsmobile

I wonder if he keeps a raw egg to throw in the rad in case of a leak or a pair of his grandmas pantyhose as a makeshift belt.

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran


BIG HEADLINE posted:

Obviously some poo poo has changed because in this video they just kinda-sorta cover it with "keep the gently caress out" tape: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGEGemv73v4

They walked into the helicopter and panned left and I saw THE RELAY PANEL and had flashbacks and had to close the video.

FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.

atomicpile posted:

Raptor man has new aircraft project.



EDIT: Electric hybrid propulsion system.

Is this a biplane, or a triplane?

atomicpile
Nov 7, 2009

FBS posted:

Is this a biplane, or a triplane?

Neither. It’s either vaporware or a death trap. After the failure of raptor 1.0 i find it unlikely that there is a path to a flying aircraft here.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



FBS posted:

Is this a biplane, or a triplane?

It's trying to be a plane but I'm not buying it. :dadjoke:

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

FBS posted:

Is this a biplane, or a triplane?

Technically a canard bi-plane.

But we all know what the real answer is.

atomicpile posted:

Neither. It’s either vaporware or a death trap. After the failure of raptor 1.0 i find it unlikely that there is a path to a flying aircraft here.

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran


FBS posted:

Is this a biplane, or a triplane?

It's a box kite with a box fan and a stall warning horn that sounds like "oshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii...."

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

EvenWorseOpinions posted:

An apache crew doing some nav exercises flew into the untowered nominally secured airport I worked at in college. They hopped out, told us we could keep it if we could start it, left the canopy open for us, then they hosed off in the courtesy car to get some Hardee's.

Not to disagree with your point, but I get the picture ymmv with regards to enforcement/compliance

:lol: That's exactly the kind of poo poo I had in mind. I learned a lot about the variation in standards as I listened to a description of a particular base's security situation with my jaw on the floor. Then there was this a couple years ago:

Of note: There's a fatal car accident in this video, but there's no gore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgC2BWWqdOc

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Godholio posted:

:lol: That's exactly the kind of poo poo I had in mind. I learned a lot about the variation in standards as I listened to a description of a particular base's security situation with my jaw on the floor. Then there was this a couple years ago:

Of note: There's a fatal car accident in this video, but there's no gore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgC2BWWqdOc

I'd seen this before, but I didn't notice the F-18 landing and taking off at 6 min

e: lol at 8 minutes the cops in the chopper are wondering where security is as the felons approach a billion dollars of aircraft

Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Aug 13, 2021

Saukkis
May 16, 2003

Unless I'm on the inside curve pointing straight at oncoming traffic the high beams stay on and I laugh at your puny protest flashes.
I am Most Important Man. Most Important Man in the World.
Hi fellow pilots, wanna feel claustrophopic? This is what's it like behind the start line at WGC. I don't think I could handle that, my pulse rises if there is another glider circling opposite me, and if there are three of us I feel outright uncomfortable.

MEGA GAGGLE of Gliders | World Gliding Championships Day 3

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
The complete lack of security at that base is crazy considering all the posts I've seen on the air force reddit of maintainers being harassed by security forces for not having their line badge on their person while working on a plane.

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
https://twitter.com/jalopnik/status/1426342697602740226?s=21

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

Cojawfee posted:

The complete lack of security at that base is crazy considering all the posts I've seen on the air force reddit of maintainers being harassed by security forces for not having their line badge on their person while working on a plane.

I've had Air Force security go through every bag of tools behind the seats of my truck, underneath everything in the toolbox, mirrors in the engine compartment, dog in the trailer, etc., one day and lazily mirror the underside, maaybe peek in the trailer the next. Sometimes they wand you and make you wait in a tiny office, sometimes they scan your base pass, tell you to stay with the truck, and wave you along.

The hotter it is, the more of them there are, and the number of stripes on the oldest one's uniform seem to have an effect. Maybe, naybe not.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
It’s more to do with the threat level which changes day to day or even during a day. Certain levels of inspection are required at certain levels.

Also, they need to train too. Sometimes you are just unlucky.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

This guy got charged with unsafe operation of an aircraft.

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.

So, having my vaccination ducks in a row and being able to travel again, I have another sitdown with another flight school next week :). We'll go for a spin and discuss options. If the chemistry is right, I think I'll pull the trigger.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

slidebite posted:

This guy got charged with unsafe operation of an aircraft.

That means he'll lose his license right?

atomicpile
Nov 7, 2009

madeintaipei posted:

I've had Air Force security go through every bag of tools behind the seats of my truck, underneath everything in the toolbox, mirrors in the engine compartment, dog in the trailer, etc., one day and lazily mirror the underside, maaybe peek in the trailer the next. Sometimes they wand you and make you wait in a tiny office, sometimes they scan your base pass, tell you to stay with the truck, and wave you along.

The hotter it is, the more of them there are, and the number of stripes on the oldest one's uniform seem to have an effect. Maybe, naybe not.

USAF gate procedures vary a lot based on threat condition and rams (random anti-terrorism measures). Both can change frequently throughout the day in addition to training stuff.

Once on base good luck getting to a flight line, and even if you somehow made it on the ramp unauthorized you’ll have just given all the security folks who were spend a lot of time bored waiting for their chance to take down the next Bin Laden something to do.

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran


atomicpile posted:

Once on base good luck getting to a flight line, and even if you somehow made it on the ramp unauthorized you’ll have just given all the security folks who were spend a lot of time bored waiting for their chance to take down the next Bin Laden something to do.

They give E-1s and E-2s rifles and say "anything living crossing this line gets shot" and that's pretty much what happens. There was a local AF base that had to tell the guys roving in the trucks to only shoot the coyotes once, since they'd get three or four teams all watching on the binoculars and making a pool for where the poor animal would cross, then mag-dumping into it. I can't imagine it would go too much different for someone speeding in a car across the big red line.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

babyeatingpsychopath posted:

They give E-1s and E-2s rifles and say "anything living crossing this line gets shot" and that's pretty much what happens. There was a local AF base that had to tell the guys roving in the trucks to only shoot the coyotes once, since they'd get three or four teams all watching on the binoculars and making a pool for where the poor animal would cross, then mag-dumping into it. I can't imagine it would go too much different for someone speeding in a car across the big red line.

Nobody got shot the time QAnon decided to raid Area 51 though

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Kesper North posted:

Nobody got shot the time QAnon decided to raid Area 51 though

No one actually raided area 51. A bunch of dorks went to the edge and did some naruto runs and went home.

Also, no one is going to shoot you for running the gate at a base. That would just lead to someone with some mental illness getting killed and it's a bunch of lawsuits. If you run the gate, they are just going to put the base on lock down, put up the barriers at the gates, and follow you until you decide to stop driving around, then arrest you.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

Cojawfee posted:

No one actually raided area 51. A bunch of dorks went to the edge and did some naruto runs and went home.

Also, no one is going to shoot you for running the gate at a base. That would just lead to someone with some mental illness getting killed and it's a bunch of lawsuits. If you run the gate, they are just going to put the base on lock down, put up the barriers at the gates, and follow you until you decide to stop driving around, then arrest you.

"Crime?"
"Stampedin' cattle."
"That doesn't seem all that villainous..."
"Through Area 51."
"KINKYYYYYYYYYYYY"

standard.deviant
May 17, 2012

Globally Indigent

Cojawfee posted:

No one actually raided area 51. A bunch of dorks went to the edge and did some naruto runs and went home.

Also, no one is going to shoot you for running the gate at a base. That would just lead to someone with some mental illness getting killed and it's a bunch of lawsuits. If you run the gate, they are just going to put the base on lock down, put up the barriers at the gates, and follow you until you decide to stop driving around, then arrest you.
It really depends on the base.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Kesper North posted:

That means he'll lose his license right?
I'm not entirely clear what the punishment is
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2021/man-charged-stopping-helicopter-ice-cream-shop

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/page-70.html

If I am reading it right it looks like prison is the default punishment for 320.13(1) max of 2 years less a day, but I suspect he'll either plea or if he is convicted have something like probation and maybe a prohibition...?
https://canada.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/sidl-rlcfa/c46b/p6.html

quote:

Discretionary order of prohibition — other offences

(4) If an offender is found guilty of an offence under section 320.13, subsection 320.14(2) or (3), 320.15(2) or (3) or under any of sections 320.16 to 320.18, the court that sentences the offender may, in addition to any other punishment that may be imposed for that offence, make an order prohibiting the offender from operating the type of conveyance in question during a period to be determined in accordance with subsection (5).

So... maybe? :shrug:

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

Kesper North posted:

That means he'll lose his license right?

It's actually shockingly hard to have your license pulled by the regulator. There are a lot of hoops that need to be jumped through on their side of the story, plus there need to be hearings and whatnot, and often the circumstances of the violation play a big role too.

It's pretty likely they will suspend the person's ticket, but revoke it? Not unless there is a history of non-compliance or other factors that make the regulator feel it's in the best interest to do so. Like if the person just has a private license (which admittedly there are very few of in the helicopter world), they probably won't pull it at all. If they have a commercial or ATPL, the likelihood goes up.

MrChips fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Aug 15, 2021

Ambihelical Hexnut
Aug 5, 2008

Kesper North posted:

That means he'll lose his license right?

Only if he failed to invert the blizzard using the flight controls.

EvenWorseOpinions
Jun 10, 2017
An anecdote from a not apache helicopter pilot who frequented the airport I worked at in college was that he was running late on his medical once, to the point where he was going to be unable to work for several months if he couldn't get it within a day, so he flew down to the hospital and landed his R44 in the parking lot. He walks in and the outraged receptionist tells him he can't park there, so he tosses her the keys and tells her she can move it.

For the same reasons as we're talking about with that dairy queen helicopter, I suspect that's a stock helicopter pilot tale

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

If you can’t use it to go get cake, why even own a helicopter?

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous

EvenWorseOpinions posted:


For the same reasons as we're talking about with that dairy queen helicopter, I suspect that's a stock helicopter pilot tale

Don't ever let the truth get in the way of good FBO lore, my friend

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
The case will largely rest of whether the pilot landed in a "built-up area," where it's forbidden to land except at an airport, heliport or military aerodrome.

Here's how Transport Canada will assess that:

https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/reference-centre/advisory-circulars/advisory-circular-ac-no-307-001#appb

I think it's pretty clear that this was, in fact, a built-up area by the intent of the law, so it's definitely a CARS violation. What actually happens as a result is probably more of an open question.

Comedy option: landing in a built up area, other than at an airport, is allowed for the purpose of saving human life. Perhaps the pilot and his lawyers will claim he was dying for a blizzard.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

PT6A posted:

Comedy option: landing in a built up area, other than at an airport, is allowed for the purpose of saving human life. Perhaps the pilot and his lawyers will claim he was dying for a blizzard.

Blizzard, pandemic, all the elements are there for a repeat of the 1925 Nome serum run. Dude’s practically Gunnar Kaasen.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

PT6A posted:

The case will largely rest of whether the pilot landed in a "built-up area," where it's forbidden to land except at an airport, heliport or military aerodrome.

Here's how Transport Canada will assess that:

https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/reference-centre/advisory-circulars/advisory-circular-ac-no-307-001#appb

I think it's pretty clear that this was, in fact, a built-up area by the intent of the law, so it's definitely a CARS violation. What actually happens as a result is probably more of an open question.
Honest question: How does it work with medivac type helicopters? Do they have a blanket exemption from rules like that since they are literally life and death instances?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

slidebite posted:

Honest question: How does it work with medivac type helicopters? Do they have a blanket exemption from rules like that since they are literally life and death instances?

Also first responders are supposed to be trained in clearing a landing zone and ensuring it’s safe to land.

I say supposedly because I’ve read too many stories about narrowly missing power lines, trees and the like when looking this very thing up.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

slidebite posted:

Honest question: How does it work with medivac type helicopters? Do they have a blanket exemption from rules like that since they are literally life and death instances?

Essentially, yes.

The relevant regulation is CARS 602.13 (2) https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-96-433/page-85.html

For police operations or for the purpose of saving human life, it's permitted provided it's safely done. This doesn't mean STARS can land at Timmie's to pick up coffee, but no one's going to look twice if they're responding to a call.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
The air ambulances in BC at least usually rely on the ground first responders to find an appropriate landing spot, clear it of people and keep it safely clear.

There’s also the search and rescue choppers (gov and non gov) too but if they do set down for a pickup instead of dropping a line it’s definitely not in a built up area.

Speaking of the SAR folks there was a news story recently of idiots putting up slack lines between peaks, walk out on them and get some instagram shots and leaving them there. That’s pretty terrifying for the helicopter pilots.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

PT6A posted:

Essentially, yes.

The relevant regulation is CARS 602.13 (2) https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-96-433/page-85.html

For police operations or for the purpose of saving human life, it's permitted provided it's safely done. This doesn't mean STARS can land at Timmie's to pick up coffee, but no one's going to look twice if they're responding to a call.
Thanks for looking that up. Figured there must be a legit exemption.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

priznat posted:

Speaking of the SAR folks there was a news story recently of idiots putting up slack lines between peaks, walk out on them and get some instagram shots and leaving them there. That’s pretty terrifying for the helicopter pilots.

What a brunch of presidents.

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Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I'm impressed they were able to put up a slack line between mountain peaks.

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