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no hay camino posted:Literally if Afghanistan was still governed by the Communists the country would probably be a million times better off The Afghan communist regime (which was essentially a military dictatorship, resulting from a military coup by the pro-Moscow officer corps) more or less completely destroyed the country by way of the Soviet intervention. So, I get what you're saying, but no, not those guys. Also the DRA basically dropped communism in 1987 and adopted an Islamist constitution in 1990.
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This sucks but if this is what happens after 20 years of being there it's hard to see what another year (etc) could have done. The Pentagon thought they could just be there forever.
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Pump it up! Do it! posted:Has ANA been paid though? I read that one of the main reasons for the total collapse is that the pay for a large number of ANA soldiers has been in arrears for several months. If the Taliban can pay anything or even feed them it might be a significant improvement to the soldiers' previous conditions. For 'several months', read 'several years'. This article is from February 2020, and is absolutely worth a read on how completely poo poo the situation for ANA soldiers was.
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That tweet thread from a few pages ago said that Taliban leaders were basically camping out in Helmand, a town in Afghanistan, after the Pakistani government got mad at them. Why didn't the US do something at that point? How do you hide a 75,000-strong army in a territory occupied by your enemy?
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Vegetable posted:That tweet thread from a few pages ago said that Taliban leaders were basically camping out in Helmand, a town in Afghanistan, after the Pakistani government got mad at them. Why didn't the US do something at that point? How do you hide a 75,000-strong army in a territory occupied by your enemy? I suspect they weren’t all in an easily located, single cluster of 75,000 people.
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Geraldo should have gone and found them
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So did Osama win?
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Also Helmand is big and mostly reg.
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What the gently caress do all these think tank people demanding a power sharing government on TV think is happening? Real rough interview with the education minister onthe bbc when she got told Ghani had fled followed by a very tearful Canadian ambassador.
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Well that was fast. I was expecting some kinda of siege tha would at least last some weeks Also when the pentagon said there was no risk I kinda expected they knew something we did not
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https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/In...-Afghan-capital https://af.usembassy.gov/security-alert-u-s-embassy-kabul-afghanistan-15/ The airport is starting to come under fire.
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no hay camino posted:So did Osama win? He's still dead and both Israel and the Saudi regime are still there so very much not mission accomplished for him. He wanted to pull the US into the region with the idea that it would unify the ulema against us and overthrow our puppet regimes throughout the region, and that's not really what happened at all.
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:What the gently caress do all these think tank people demanding a power sharing government on TV think is happening? if the reality of the taliban taking power wasn't so grim, it would be hilarious. bunch of people are clearly not aware that the taliban literally holds *all* the chips wrt the immediate future of afghanistan
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https://twitter.com/saadmohseni/status/1426942627174301699?s=21 https://twitter.com/saadmohseni/status/1426958272645435398?s=21 extemely grim
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I think this is a photo from yesterday in a different part of Afghanistan.
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Al-Saqr posted:I think this is a photo from yesterday in a different part of Afghanistan. Yeah just saw https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1426957665800966146
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Herstory Begins Now posted:if the reality of the taliban taking power wasn't so grim, it would be hilarious. bunch of people are clearly not aware that the taliban literally holds *all* the chips wrt the immediate future of afghanistan Yeah it is all extremely loving grim and bad. The taliban are not leftist freedom fighters righteously slapping down the rotten hand of imperialism. They're monstrous people.
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Darth Walrus posted:For 'several months', read 'several years'. This article is from February 2020, and is absolutely worth a read on how completely poo poo the situation for ANA soldiers was. Turns out massive corruption is a bad thing after all. Who knew?
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Darth Walrus posted:For 'several months', read 'several years'. This article is from February 2020, and is absolutely worth a read on how completely poo poo the situation for ANA soldiers was. Wow, that is much worse than I thought. Then the Taliban just giving them food enough to survive on will be a massive improvement.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:if the reality of the taliban taking power wasn't so grim, it would be hilarious. bunch of people are clearly not aware that the taliban literally holds *all* the chips wrt the immediate future of afghanistan It's such an obvious Vietnam replay that it's really a sick joke. Like Gerald Ford trying to spin up support for propping up South Vietnam at the last minute to congress and everyone just going LOLNOPE
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QuoProQuid posted:https://twitter.com/saadmohseni/status/1426942627174301699?s=21 That is a tense moment for civil aviation. Props to the pilots and staff flying these people out, if they can get out without more violence.
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My new favourite brand of tweet are the Hindu nationalist guys under every journalist talking about the fall of Kabul saying that India should take annex Afghanistan. I hadn't realised that Afghanistan was considered Indian clay but what the gently caress do I know.
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This is such a loving atrocity. How are we unable to do this now and not, say, leave when the tyrant taking power was literally anyone else? Even the local warlords who stepped in the power vacuum for a time would be better than this because they would be against each other.
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Craptacular! posted:This is such a loving atrocity. How are we unable to do this now and not, say, leave when the tyrant taking power was literally anyone else? Even the local warlords who stepped in the power vacuum for a time would be better than this because they would be against each other. This is basically the same thinking that kept the US in this for 20 years and countless other powers in distant, unnecessary quagmires for decades. Some variation of this outcome was going to happen whether it was 2 years, 5 years, 20 years or 40 years.
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https://twitter.com/McCreadyForNC/status/1426963365570678790 ^ Really the only thing this administration deserves flak over.
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Inner Light posted:Are commercial flights still departing from Kabul? NATO banned all but military traffic a little bit ago.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:My new favourite brand of tweet are the Hindu nationalist guys under every journalist talking about the fall of Kabul saying that India should take annex Afghanistan. I hadn't realised that Afghanistan was considered Indian clay but what the gently caress do I know. Lol, do you have any examples? I think an Indian invasion of Afganistan would be the perfect way to give the Taliban access to Pakistani nuclear weapons.
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/McCreadyForNC/status/1426963365570678790 I wholeheartedly agree. The Biden admin hosed this up. The blood of those collaborators, who risked their lives for us, is on their hands. I'm pretty loving furious.
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Pump it up! Do it! posted:Lol, do you have any examples? I think an Indian invasion of Afganistan would be the perfect way to give the Taliban access to Pakistani nuclear weapons. Lol. The Pakistanis are not giving the Taliban nukes. edit: and India isn't going to invade Afghanistan.
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I’m not saying Biden deserves any praise, but if you’re planning based on poo poo information about the ability of the Afghan government to exist, I don’t know if any plan would have not gotten caught out. Even the most cynical estimates gave that government multiple months to fight on. drat it. What a loving fiasco. How many US citizens and staff are left in the country now? Eric Cantonese fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Aug 15, 2021 |
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/McCreadyForNC/status/1426963365570678790 The Islamic Emirate has said they will offer them amnesty
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How are u posted:I wholeheartedly agree. The Biden admin hosed this up. The blood of those collaborators, who risked their lives for us, is on their hands. I'm pretty loving furious. The last administration did as much as they could to sandbag this process as well,but I agree that its a massive slap in the face to anyone who has ever taken up arms with the US. Easy to see why people loath us. Vasukhani posted:The Islamic Emirate has said they will offer them amnesty We promised we would get them out though? Broad, nonspecific promises arent something I'd bet my life on.
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Vasukhani posted:The Islamic Emirate has said they will offer them amnesty Lol, sure
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Ok so short term wise I understand the flak Biden gets for not getting all the Afghan intepreters and helpers out before withdrawing US forces. What I don't understand is how the US spent two decades and several trillion dollars only to see Afghanistan fold in under two weeks. What in the actual gently caress happened there? And don't just blithely say 'lol soldiers didn't get paid'. The Americans had 20 loving years to notice this.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Ok so short term wise I understand the flak Biden gets for not getting all the Afghan intepreters and helpers out before withdrawing US forces. americans are the stupidest people on the planet, we are so utterly stupid it defies explanation
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Ok so short term wise I understand the flak Biden gets for not getting all the Afghan intepreters and helpers out before withdrawing US forces. They did notice is, they all did. Enlisted men who arent paid to think did. Doesn't mean you can fix it...
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