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Vegetable posted:I know the Taliban are obviously bad and not good. But I couldn't help but be amused by this NYT piece. It rattles about the Taliban "instilling terror" but it mostly ends up showing them in a not-the-worst light -- they coerce municipal workers with the goal of ensuring continuity of essential services, and they at one point fund the operating costs of a guy whose business got war-wrecked. It'll all go to poo poo very soon but lol at NYT's framing of this story. The Taliban regime will probably be no worse than a poorer Saudi Arabia
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Nix Panicus posted:Isn't Karzai part of the transition team working with the Taliban? He might get to keep it Stranger things have happened, but I imagine the deal is more simply that they'll allow his continued breathing as he continues snitching or whatever that corrupt gangster is up to these days. So he's probably just working not to end up tortured, dragged around in a truck, and then displayed next to the palace like some other guys in the past.
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Discospawn posted:"Airport is taking fire, we're sending troops to take care of it." You seem like, weirdly excited about this prospect.
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Nix Panicus posted:If only there had been an influential senator, perhaps on the foreign relations committee, who had the foresight to see that victory was impossible and we should withdraw. Alas, all we had was dumbass Joe Biden. There was a time there around 2006 when popular consensus was that Iraq was the bad war and Afghanistan was the good one. At least we had a "pretext" with Afghanistan, so for how stupid Biden's opinion was it probably seemed a reasonable Serious People take at the time.
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Discospawn posted:Anybody who wants to attack Western targets knows that Kabul is the best place to do it right now, and ironically the Taliban are the only organized force with the position/resources to prevent those kinds of threats from loving everything up. Let me call up Putin, Assad and Maduro to get a division of the Anti-West shock troopers out there
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drunkill posted:https://twitter.com/whatismoo/status/1426939056970244103 Isn't the one on the deck 154030, not 8? I'm definitely not seeing an 8 there
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no hay camino posted:There was a time there around 2006 when popular consensus was that Iraq was the bad war and Afghanistan was the good one. At least we had a "pretext" with Afghanistan, so for how stupid Biden's opinion was it probably seemed a reasonable Serious People take at the time. The Serious People have always been evil dumbasses, so big dumb idiot Joe Biden sharing that opinion is not exactly a rebuttal of him being a big dumb idiot. The results of literally every American foreign policy intervention for the last seventy five years has rather conclusively shown that every single person in foreign policy should be buried in a concrete sarcophagus at Yucca Mountain for the safety of the world.
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https://twitter.com/bsarwary/status/1427002551858311173?s=20 Looks like a total shitshow at the airport
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So, one positive that might come out of all this, we might see a break in the global supply of opium and a corresponding break in the opiate crisis now that the US isnt around https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1426959985460776962?s=20 Basically everything the US does is evil.
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Nix Panicus posted:So, one positive that might come out of all this, we might see a break in the global supply of opium and a corresponding break in the opiate crisis now that the US isnt around Opium obviously feeds the opium market, but with plentiful and cheap synthetics like fentanyl, does it really drive things at this point? I don't know, and am curious.
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Discospawn posted:"Airport is taking fire, we're sending troops to take care of it." What the gently caress am I reading 
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I’m livid. https://twitter.com/jmhansler/status/1427036811520524289?s=21 https://twitter.com/jmhansler/status/1427041359983255553?s=21 feckless to the end
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QuoProQuid posted:I’m livid. Relax dude we got the flags. 
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It sickens me how badly they've dropped the ball on this. It's the same sick, sad feeling as when Trump abandoned the Kurds. Ugh.
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Ham posted:What the gently caress am I reading The US is having issues evacuating all its personnel in an orderly fashion because the Taliban now runs everything. Biden has, in response, sent in more personnel that will eventually need to also be evacuated because the Taliban now run everything. And if the new personnel have difficulty evacuating in an orderly fashion (because the Taliban now runs everything) then Biden, in response, will have to send in more personnel to help evacuate them And if the new personnel have difficulty evacuating in an orderly fashion (because the Taliban now runs everything) then Biden, in response, will have to send in more personnel to help evacuate them And if the new personnel have difficulty evacuating in an orderly fashion (because the Taliban now runs everything) then Biden, in response, will have to send in more personnel to help evacuate them And if the new personnel have difficulty evacuating in an orderly fashion (because the Taliban now runs everything) then Biden, in response, will have to send in more personnel to help evacuate them etc E: With I guess the end point being either 'oops we invaded again' or just paying the Taliban to handle the evacuation for all the people dumbass Biden sent in to handle the evacuations Nix Panicus fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Aug 16, 2021 |
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Nix Panicus posted:The US is having issues evacuating all its personnel in an orderly fashion because the Taliban now runs everything. Yes, it's an idiot's conundrum. I also doubt that the Taliban is going to meaningfully curtail opium production enough to stop the opiate crisis, particularly with the rise of fentanyl and other synthetic opioids. I also understand that some cartels are working on domestic (mexican) opium production, given the ongoing strength of demand. Grip it and rip it fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Aug 16, 2021 |
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Nix Panicus posted:So, one positive that might come out of all this, we might see a break in the global supply of opium and a corresponding break in the opiate crisis now that the US isnt around was probably already mentioned, but I gotta bring it up again https://twitter.com/westonpagano/status/1426938674277765128 This and so much else (like the entirety of the Afghanistan papers) is something that in a normal functioning country would spawn tribunals at the least. The American people and the Afghani people have been defrauded by the USA and its puppets for 2 decades now, and these leaders, lobbyists, and military ALL knew they were lying and literally funding our supposed enemy. But a dollar had to be made, so the web got more and more tangled. And then a week later your puppet regime is shredded when a minute ago you were praising them and yourselves. But it's all just shrugged off. We'll all go "lol, classic America" and move onto the next one. Oh, I hear those dastardly democracy-hating Cubans are up to no good again. That small island nation of healthcare worker exports has some crazy brain zapping device and they and Venezuela will take over the known world with their commie ways!
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1427022160099426311 Just great troop STUFF all around. US troops pushing back the Afghanis trying to escape islamic fundementalism.
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the pentagon is not going to pull the old switcheroo on the rest of the federal government to get it to reinvade afghanistan jesus loving christ. what is with this lovely cartoon logic
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Like, what are you meant to ask your Congress people to do lol. Also, 100% of the Vets I've seen that served there all say that they saw this coming a decade ago.
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Thom12255 posted:Like, what are you meant to ask your Congress people to do lol. I mean we're posting to register our takes here where it won't do anything so I don't know why people wouldn't call their representatives to do the same if they cared.
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Grip it and rip it posted:Yes, it's an idiot's conundrum. I also doubt that the Taliban is going to meaningfully curtail opium production enough to stop the opiate crisis, particularly with the rise of fentanyl and other synthetic opioids. I also understand that some cartels are working on domestic (mexican) opium production, given the ongoing strength of demand. The Taliban were already curtailing opium production after they took power. Opium production in Afghanistan, the source of 90% of the world's illegal opium, was dropped drastically when Mullah Mohammed Omar declared growing poppies un-Islamic. It was literally the most successful anti-drug campaign ever conceived since the Taliban controlled about 3/4 of the global heroin supply at the time. Completely coincidentally they got invaded by the US the next year, and after the invasion poppy farming skyrocketed. Now, I'm not saying the CIA concocted a casus belli to control the global heroin supply in order to fund their own extremely dark poo poo, but I am pointing out that the Taliban got deposed a year after successfully cutting back heroin production.
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Nix Panicus posted:The Taliban were already curtailing opium production after they took power. Opium production in Afghanistan, the source of 90% of the world's illegal opium, was dropped drastically when Mullah Mohammed Omar declared growing poppies un-Islamic. It was literally the most successful anti-drug campaign ever conceived since the Taliban controlled about 3/4 of the global heroin supply at the time. Just asking questions about whether we invaded Afghanistan to increase the heroin supply is pretty loving stupid. Are you also just asking questions about whether the CIA blew up the world trade center or what?
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:If you don't give a poo poo, why do you guys try to play world police all the time. This is just an obnoxious attitude to have, and really sums up why Americans are universally loathed outside of the US. Because the military industrial complex needs to eat, and nobody is going to stop us, simple as
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Nix Panicus posted:The Taliban were already curtailing opium production after they took power. Opium production in Afghanistan, the source of 90% of the world's illegal opium, was dropped drastically when Mullah Mohammed Omar declared growing poppies un-Islamic. It was literally the most successful anti-drug campaign ever conceived since the Taliban controlled about 3/4 of the global heroin supply at the time. 9/11 was coincidental, the invasion of Afghanistan was about the CIA and opium This is some quality bait
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A "Mcdonald's" That mis-capitalizes the brand name, hmm... sure... (It's "McDonald's", and that's how it's spelled on all actual ones.)
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Yeah, just like the CIA never intervened in countries that grew its other favored revenue stream, cocaine.
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Nix Panicus posted:Yeah, just like the CIA never intervened in countries that grew its other favored revenue stream, cocaine. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:https://twitter.com/i/status/1427022160099426311 This kind of stuff was happening in Saigon, though? 
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Although the majority of the 9/11 conspirators were Saudi and Osama was hiding out in Pakistan, so why did Afghanistan get hit?
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i mean, the first clue that it’s a fake tweet is that it exceeds 280 characters. the second is that it has no time stamp. the third is that the reporter miscapitalizes McDonalds and includes no link to the story.
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Nix Panicus posted:Yeah, just like the CIA never intervened in countries that grew its other favored revenue stream, cocaine. are you 12 Nix Panicus posted:Although the majority of the 9/11 conspirators were Saudi and Osama was hiding out in Pakistan, so why did Afghanistan get hit? al-qaeda was operating out of afghanistan. the us sent an ultimatum telling the taliban to stop hosting the taliban and to turn over osama bin laden. The taliban refused. The US invaded
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