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Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


abigserve posted:

It's also interesting to think that worldwide travel is, at this point, irreparably hosed. There's no future where you'll be able to travel somewhere without quarantining for 2 weeks either when you get there or get back.

In a couple of years when the vast majority are vaccinated and we've given up on suppression I think it's very unlikely that quarantine for international travel will still be a thing for anyone vaccinated.

The real big question in my mind is how outbreaks of variants overseas will be dealt with in regards to quarantine.

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snickothemule
Jul 11, 2016

wretched single ply might as well use my socks

Glorious.

Made the mistake of clicking and scrolling for recommended tweets.

https://mobile.twitter.com/M_McCormackMP/status/1427066186357829634

Give Canavan oval office of the year award and a swift kick up the arse on the way out.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

snickothemule posted:

Glorious.

Made the mistake of clicking and scrolling for recommended tweets.

https://mobile.twitter.com/M_McCormackMP/status/1427066186357829634

Give Canavan oval office of the year award and a swift kick up the arse on the way out.

God drat, what a loving piece of poo poo he is.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Solemn Sloth posted:

These people represent a tiny fraction of the Jewish community, and I don't think the broader Jewish community should be expected to specifically condemn them or make penance. In fact I'm sure they're already going above and beyond in trying to explain to dickheads like these that in addition to risking public health they are helping drive anti-semitism with this kind of poo poo. But I also don't think we should pretend that wingnut groups like this don't just see themselves as above the law, whether it's breaking public health orders or protecting in-group pedophiles. I've got no idea what the solution is but I think we could start by at least being honest about the problem.

Hell, fundamentalist elements of every major religion come out from time to time and publicly say that if it comes to the law vs their religion they're choosing god's side and gently caress the State. At some point we should start taking them at their word and assuming they'll do just that and think about what the appropriate measures are to enforce the law and protect society, whether it's a soft outreach approach or prioritising intelligence gathering in those networks the same way you would hopefully be doing with other groups.

Like, I'm an atheist, but I don't think "seeing yourself as above the law" is exclusive or even over-represented in fundamentalist religious groups.

snickothemule posted:

Glorious.

Made the mistake of clicking and scrolling for recommended tweets.

https://mobile.twitter.com/M_McCormackMP/status/1427066186357829634

Give Canavan oval office of the year award and a swift kick up the arse on the way out.

https://twitter.com/CampbellNewman/status/1427142236307738624

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

snickothemule posted:

Glorious.

Made the mistake of clicking and scrolling for recommended tweets.

https://mobile.twitter.com/M_McCormackMP/status/1427066186357829634

Give Canavan oval office of the year award and a swift kick up the arse on the way out.

watch as the only outrage around this is because Lydia Thorpe said 'gently caress' on twitter when re-tweeting that.

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

:eyepop:

at Lydia Thorpe not campbell obviously.

The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do
We made like two of the coolest songs about losing a war, why are we so het up about a war We lost ten years ago


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGDhzVi1bqU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inKlN0ScObA

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

GoldStandardConure posted:

watch as the only outrage around this is because Lydia Thorpe said 'gently caress' on twitter when re-tweeting that.

Who

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺

Greens politician

Halo14
Sep 11, 2001
Inside Racism HQ: How home-grown neo-Nazis are plotting a white revolution

https://amp.theage.com.au/national/inside-racism-hq-how-home-grown-neo-nazis-are-plotting-a-white-revolution-20210812-p58i3x.html

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

loving hell there's some in some hosed up places in there

Halo14
Sep 11, 2001
There’s a lovely gallery of each person identified by the brave undercover informants. Would like to think the Chubby Government IT dude is no longer employed…

Heh…

https://twitter.com/sexenheimer/status/1426882629878513673?s=21

Halo14 fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Aug 16, 2021

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Halo14 posted:

There’s a lovely gallery of each person identified by the brave undercover informants. Would like to think the Chubby Government IT dude is no longer employed…

Heh…

https://twitter.com/sexenheimer/status/1426882629878513673?s=21

Shocked_pikachu.jpg

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



snickothemule posted:

Glorious.

Made the mistake of clicking and scrolling for recommended tweets.

https://mobile.twitter.com/M_McCormackMP/status/1427066186357829634

Give Canavan oval office of the year award and a swift kick up the arse on the way out.

"As far as net zero is concerned, The Taliban and I are on a unity ticket," Mr Canavan announced this morning.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS
Lmao
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/australia-dipped-into-covax-pfizer-stockpile-intended-for-poor-nations-20210816-p58j2j.html

Australia has raided 500,000 doses of Pfizer from a scheme set up to ensure poorer countries receive fair and equitable access to vaccines, as low and middle-income nations still wait for vaccines.

The Australian government in June purchased 25 million doses out of the global COVAX facility as it scrambled to source more supplies of the Pfizer vaccine and received about 500,000 doses from that order – double what the entire continent of Africa received under COVAX in the same month.

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
You can get pfizer, but you will be told this particular jab was meant to go to a hungry mother in the Congo

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
So is Sydney in the 500s today or does it jump straight to the 6s?

perepelki
Dec 11, 2020

know before Whom you stand
nobody in power in this lovely country is going to believe these groups are a problem until one of them does murder a bunch of people, and for the racist ones, possibly not even then. casual nazis are just so engrained in australian society. it's hard to explain to my friends who've been insulated from that kind of thing how casual and neutral white australia is about nazis. in a small country town, in high school, every white second nerd just kind of lowkey thinks nazis were really cool; and then some of them grow up really violent and angry, but everybody around them just waves it off as "he has mental health issues" "he had a bad childhood" "her grandfather was an actual nazi and she loved him" etc - which are usually true, because extremist groups feed off exactly that kind of trauma. then they start googling nazi philosophy and are funnelled straight into recruitment into groups with stupid loving names. white australia feels no need to hate nazis because nazis won't kill them. so they don't bother teaching to their kids that actually, the nazis were bad, they weren't people to admire, their work was not exciting or visionary.

all of 4th grade i sat at a desk that had a swastika carved into it. it was large, about 2 inches square, and it had been there for at least 20 years, reinforced by the points of countless bored pens. nobody in all that time had thought maybe the desk with the big swastika on it should be removed from the primary classroom, it was deemed acceptable for 8-year-olds to look at every day, it was not a big deal to any of them

perepelki fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Aug 17, 2021

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Last week my wifes family group chat had some drama when her uncle and aunt uploaded photos of themselves fully black faced up.

They had been planning a trip to Africa for this year until the pandemic, so were hosting an "Africa themed party".

A bunch of the family didn't see anything wrong with it.

alf_pogs
Feb 15, 2012


covid on the loose in the St George's oncology ward. is this part of "learning to live with delta"?

perepelki
Dec 11, 2020

know before Whom you stand

quote:

The video shows tattooed skinheads and bikies mixing with two young men who have barely started shaving and who work in disability care. In the confines of Racism HQ, they too boast about inflicting violence, including on the vulnerable in their care. “You do get to kick a bit of arse,” jokes one.

quote:

As the weeks pass, more neo-Nazis come into our frame. One is a security manager for Crown Casino, Daniel Todisco, a former special forces soldier who also has a Victoria Police vetted security licence and says he carries a baton in his boot. He boasts of “bossing around the f---g n----rs” who are his subordinates at Crown.

“I just get them to do the poo poo jobs to be honest with you.”

quote:

Ryan Ulf Lindfors-Beswick. Alias: Ulf Lehmuskoski. Associate of Finks outlaw motorcycle gang. Former candidate for Shooters, Fishers,and Farmers Party in Victorian Parliament.

quote:

David Hiscox is a 50-something who despises his casual work as a piano teacher.

perepelki fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Aug 17, 2021

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

alf_pogs posted:

covid on the loose in the St George's oncology ward. is this part of "learning to live with delta"?

No, that’s part of the learning to die with delta syllabus

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Everything else you said was fine but

perepelki posted:

so they don't bother teaching to their kids that actually, the nazis were bad, they weren't people to admire, their work was not exciting or visionary.


what the gently caress are you on about? all i was taught in high school history was ww1/2, nazis bad, japan bad, capt. cook and co. great.

perepelki
Dec 11, 2020

know before Whom you stand
lmao though

perepelki
Dec 11, 2020

know before Whom you stand

Laserface posted:

Everything else you said was fine but

what the gently caress are you on about? all i was taught in high school history was ww1/2, nazis bad, japan bad, capt. cook and co. great.
it could have been that your school was particularly good about it, or that my experience was particularly bad. i hope it's the latter, because if every rural small town's crop of 30-year-olds is like the people i grew up with then there are a lot of nazi-adjacent communities out there. the town was a major migrant hub for post-war immigrants, and where pretty much all the germans in nsw ended up in for processing on their way to wherever they went - a lot of them just stayed there, so the place probably did have a higher proportion of people with proud german heritage than most other country towns of comparable size. having fond childhood memories of one's out-and-proud nazi grandparent is definitely a risk factor.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

perepelki posted:

it could have been that your school was particularly good about it, or that my experience was particularly bad. i hope it's the latter, because if every rural small town's crop of 30-year-olds is like the people i grew up with then there are a lot of nazi-adjacent communities out there. the town was a major migrant hub for post-war immigrants, and where pretty much all the germans in nsw ended up in for processing on their way to wherever they went - a lot of them just stayed there, so the place probably did have a higher proportion of people with proud german heritage than most other country towns of comparable size. having fond childhood memories of one's out-and-proud nazi grandparent is definitely a risk factor.

My school had nazi graffiti on desks and I went to school in Cronulla so make of that what you will.

Im not defending swastikas on desks but I think a large part of why its so prevalent is because its a simple design to draw and its going to get attention. You arent seeing SS or iron crosses carved into desks because its just harder to do both artistically and covertly. a lot of the ones I saw in school were done facing the wrong way or at the wrong angle too.

same reason the 'Stussy S' is so prevalent. its easy line art. the people doing highschool tagging graff arent particularly talented artists.

e:

yeah I knew this but its what most people refer to it as. they should probably add it to the high school history curriculum

Laserface fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Aug 17, 2021

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



that s aint stussy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQdxHi4_Pvc

go_banana
Oct 13, 2010
NSW Health can no longer keep up with number of exposure sites in Sydney and have therefore stopped listing them :v:

ABC Live Blog posted:

Reporter: "Let's be clear. New South Wales Health has stopped putting sites on the list of potential exposure sites, you've stopped putting locations that have been visited by cases because there are too many locations. When did that first happen?"

Dr McAnulty: "We continue to, in places outside metropolitan Sydney or areas where we haven't seen large numbers of cases, such as regional Sydney, regional parts of the state, Newcastle, Central Coast, Wollongong. We continue to put even the tiniest risk venues on the website. In those areas in the metropolitan area where we know that there are many, many places that cases have gone but little risk, we're deliberately focusing on places I've mentioned."

Reporter: "When did that happen?"

McAnulty: "That's begun in the last few days."

perepelki
Dec 11, 2020

know before Whom you stand

go_banana posted:

NSW Health can no longer keep up with number of exposure sites in Sydney and have therefore stopped listing them :v:
this is a good sign right

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Sutton saying they believe there's been outdoor transmission at playgrounds and between kids walking home together from school who didn't share classes. Never getting to zero if we're dealing with outdoor transmission as a serious risk imo.

perepelki
Dec 11, 2020

know before Whom you stand
lol

quote:

Sewell wants network members to indoctrinate their wives, girlfriends and children, but even he recognises that this will require keeping secrets from them.

“Basically everyone’s partner thinks that their husband comes to a Nazi meeting where we basically just straight up preach race war, which we do,” Sewell says, to chuckling. Families, he says, are “one of the biggest taxes on individual members”.

“The wife is at home going, ‘This is risky, you are putting everything at risk, you are jeopardising our future, you are jeopardising the career, the job, the house, the kids’ … and they never f---ing stop. It never f---ing stops.”

His advice is to expose them only to “nice guy” Nazism.
this is an incredible piece of journalism, i love the insights into the cosy domestic lives of these people

quote:

But senior cell members such as Jacob Hersant and Danny Newman appear to have resigned themselves to revolution or jail. Newman brings his girlfriend to Racism HQ; Hersant’s girlfriend, Samantha, lives in one of the HQ’s bedrooms. Asked if Hersant works, Samantha replies, matter-of-factly, “He’s a full-time racist.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Laserface posted:

My school had nazi graffiti on desks and I went to school in Cronulla so make of that what you will.

Im not defending swastikas on desks but I think a large part of why its so prevalent is because its a simple design to draw and its going to get attention. You arent seeing SS or iron crosses carved into desks because its just harder to do both artistically and covertly. a lot of the ones I saw in school were done facing the wrong way or at the wrong angle too.

Yeah, but it should still be slapped down as soon as it's seen.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


go_banana posted:

NSW Health can no longer keep up with number of exposure sites in Sydney and have therefore stopped listing them :v:

Glad that Gladys is showing the rest of the states how to use gold standard contact tracing to stay on top of cases.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe
Can we get a Test Result: it was GOLD STANDARD emoji?

abigserve
Sep 13, 2009

this is a better avatar than what I had before

perepelki posted:

lol

this is an incredible piece of journalism, i love the insights into the cosy domestic lives of these people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQRZXM-4xI&t=73s

Still makes me laugh

hawaiian_robot
Dec 5, 2006

And I'm happy just to sit here,
At a table with old friends.
And see which one of us can tell the biggest lies
Follow-up on the melbourne nazi poo poo:

quote:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...813-p58imf.html

Another anti-lockdown promoter has been unmasked as Alice McNamara, a musician who runs a children’s music business, KiddyRock. Ms McNamara, who has been posting neo-Nazi and anti-lockdown propaganda under an online alias, hung up the phone when contacted.

Idk if people remember mid-2000s JJJ darlings The Spazzys, but that's the drummer

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
I’m extremely pro mass-doxxing of nazi fucks

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

I just find it fascinating that they think their ideas are totally normal, fine ideas, yet have to operate in secrecy, cover their face, use aliases or otherwise hide.

all things people with sane, rational beliefs have to do regularly.

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

Senor Tron posted:

Last week my wifes family group chat had some drama when her uncle and aunt uploaded photos of themselves fully black faced up.

They had been planning a trip to Africa for this year until the pandemic, so were hosting an "Africa themed party".

A bunch of the family didn't see anything wrong with it.

"it's just a bit of fun, why are you all getting so worked up"

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TheMostFrench
Jul 12, 2009

Stop for me, it's the claw!



Laserface posted:

I just find it fascinating that they think their ideas are totally normal, fine ideas, yet have to operate in secrecy, cover their face, use aliases or otherwise hide.

all things people with sane, rational beliefs have to do regularly.

This summed it up. You just don't get their perspective, maaaaan.

quote:

“We have a different vision of the future ... And for that we are called extreme … ”

As far as they're concerned, there's an "inevitable race war" coming (which doesn't really explain why they dislike homosexuals). It's like how people talk about "the great reset" in regards to covid. There's some vague set of ideas and buzzwords that can be latched onto, which everyone in that group agrees with, but of which everyone has vastly different levels of understanding. Just don't question the ideas or you're a weak traitor.

quote:

Those who do not toe the group’s line are shamed. One piece of covert camera vision shows a meeting in which Sewell describes expelling three of their brethren. One of the men is either gay or a Jew, he says, the second a “sex pest” who failed in his job of liaising with other neo-Nazi cells. The third, Ulf Lindfors-Beswick was engaging in “outright illegal” activity, Sewell says, prioritising his outlaw bikie gang activities over his duties as a neo-Nazi.

I like how they accuse a guy of being a sex pest even though there is an image of a whiteboard with a list of goals, several of which involve going out and impregnating jewish women, specifically to breed them out (but don't let the missus find out because that might be cheating?) One of the goals also appears to be to rape a specific person, whose name was blanked out in post.

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