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Impermanent posted:rowan kaiser says that you'll probably want to play on a harder difficulty on tightly packed maps if you're a civ vet of any variety Rowan largely praising a traditional 4x game is pretty surprising. I was expecting another Stellaris situation. John Lee posted:I'm fine with victory, but I don't like Civ V and VI's move to having the AI playing the same game you are - mostly because I, and probably a good bit of the actual players who aren't megafans and hang out on the forums - weren't playing that game. I enjoyed doing weird roleplaying and making non-optimal moves, even from the perspective a guy who didn't know what the TRUE optimal moves were, and it really makes the Civ series feel less like a journey through human history when everybody starts getting aggressive in the 1900s because we're getting close to the part where we decide who has Won History. The system in Humankind feels a lot better from this perspective, because a civ could be considered among the greats because of what they did a thousand years ago or more, which is kind of how it works in real life?  I have like 150 hours in Civ VI and I don't think I've ever made a move in the game with the express purpose of "winning" over just making what I thought was the coolest empire or playing along with an AI. The game was actually quite a bit more interesting when you tried to play with the AI's personalities. I find these games to be pretty bad at being competitive strategy games but very good at just being a cool map sandbox to exist in.
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Aug 17, 2021 01:23
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From what I've seen this game is going to be cool for durdling through and making some dumb narrative for myself as I go which is all I play 4x's for so I'm on board.
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Aug 17, 2021 01:45
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So nukes don't mess around in this game. Spoiler here as Marbozir launches his first nukes on stream.
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Aug 17, 2021 01:47
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FrickenMoron posted:Why did they decide to ditch their original setting to make yet another generic civ clone? Tbh I’m surprised it’s taken so long to get a civ clone. Master of Orion and master of magic get so many clones so frequently they’re practically their own genres but for whatever reason no ones tried to do civ until now (or at least there’s like 5 year gaps between civ clone attempts)
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ccubed posted:So nukes don't mess around in this game. Spoiler here as Marbozir launches his first nukes on stream. Ngl I'm glad to see a 4x game actually represent how destructive nukes are IRL
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Aug 17, 2021 02:14
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What's the multiplayer like? I have had a group playing Civ VI for a while and is this something that might be a suitable novelty for us to try -- simultaneous turns would be a necessity though
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Aug 17, 2021 02:22
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ccubed posted:So nukes don't mess around in this game. Spoiler here as Marbozir launches his first nukes on stream. WIRELESS TELEGRAPH RESEARCHED
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Aug 17, 2021 03:22
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victrix posted:WIRELESS TELEGRAPH RESEARCHED The first message: 'HOLY poo poo DID YOU SEE THAT NUKE STOP'
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Aug 17, 2021 03:34
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ccubed posted:So nukes don't mess around in this game. Spoiler here as Marbozir launches his first nukes on stream. Glorious. I'm ready to create a Church of the Children of Atom. 
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Aug 17, 2021 04:27
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Internet Explorer posted:PartyElite seems to like it, which is a good sign. Have to say, this review did make me pretty interested in the game when before I was indifferent to it. I particularly do like the wars having more of a method and motivation to them, which was always something of a weak point to Civ for me.
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yeah that was a significantly better overview than quite a few early previews I watched - some of which I swear were garbage clickbait
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Aug 17, 2021 10:36
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https://twitter.com/humankindgame/status/1427575223038140429 I hope this applies to the gamepass version too
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Aug 17, 2021 11:29
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Oh, that's come forward a couple of hours from the last information I had.
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Aug 17, 2021 11:42
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John Lee posted:It's not necessarily strategic choices, though, it's optimal choices to win the hardest. I've spent a lot of time lurking in the Civ VI thread and there's a lot of "80% of the options should never be picked because they're less efficient." Same. Ive put some hundreds of hours on Civ 6, and thats my experience: I very rarely get attacked late game For whats is worth, I play on Emperor, huge map with 9 civs (less than the default), so maybe is related somehow
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Elias_Maluco posted:
For this late-game situation I hope the Humankind AI has some awareness of going into a suicide war. I mean, If I have a stockpile of nukes greater than the number of your cities and armies, should you really be attacking me?
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Aug 17, 2021 12:04
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The online encyclopedia is live: https://humankind-encyclopedia.games2gether.com/en-US Nice resource to have so long as it’s kept up to date.
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ccubed posted:So nukes don't mess around in this game. Spoiler here as Marbozir launches his first nukes on stream. I'm pleased to see (from a video about the late game that Amplitude posted recently) they're trying to model MAD by having nukes exchange at the same time. I'm very excited to see how that plays out in games.
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Aug 17, 2021 13:04
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Specifically it takes one turn for launched nuclear weapons to arrive and explode, and everyone can see it - so everyone gets time to launch their own weapons in retaliation before they get hit. It's such a clean and uncomplicated solution for nukes in mainstream 4x games that it's almost weird to see it here. Especially next to everything else in this game looking so number-go-up +1 and biggest-number-is-the-game boring Amplitude job. Why don't they make their game like I want dammnit! More consequential decisions less numbers!
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Anno posted:It looks like at least one member of the CivFanatics community got a review code. It doesn’t seem like the kind of thing that’ll get published outside of the forum so you can read it here if you’re interested in a take by someone who’s probably multiple thousands of hours deep into every Civ game. Same. If this is what it turns out to be I'll be very with what we got here.
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Aug 17, 2021 14:07
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On Gamepass now - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/humankind/9pm7hxj92d6w?activetab=pivot:overviewtab
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Aug 17, 2021 15:04
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Looks like my Steam preload is unlocking itself now.
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Thom12255 posted:On Gamepass now - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/humankind/9pm7hxj92d6w?activetab=pivot:overviewtab Nice, wasn't showing up in the client itself yet. It's 27.4gb for anyone wondering.
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Aug 17, 2021 15:12
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How odd. The Steam version is 12 GB.
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Aug 17, 2021 15:37
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If you've played in one of the Open Devs and still have the a folder called Humankind in your Documents make sure to delete it or the game seems to crash on start up.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:How odd. The Steam version is 12 GB. That's most likely the compressed amount that you're downloading, then when it uncompresses it's gonna be 27GB.
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Aug 17, 2021 15:47
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I can't get it to download for the time being. I'm on a mac, so that probably doesn't help, but it'll download (nothing) and then say it can't find a .exe, which doesn't make sense for the platform. I never had the beta. I'll give it a bit and then check later this evening.
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100YrsofAttitude posted:I can't get it to download for the time being. I'm on a mac, so that probably doesn't help, but it'll download (nothing) and then say it can't find a .exe, which doesn't make sense for the platform. The Mac version was delayed I want to say by like a month?
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Anno posted:The Mac version was delayed I want to say by like a month? Well that explains that. Thanks. Probably for the best, that way I can get some work done.
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Anyone else hearing audio "tearing" on the sound effects for your units footsteps? I'm not sure when I should be attaching territories to cities - it seems to be worth a lot of production, but should I be trying to have one city per territory ideally?
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Anno posted:I have like 150 hours in Civ VI and I don't think I've ever made a move in the game with the express purpose of "winning" over just making what I thought was the coolest empire or playing along with an AI. The game was actually quite a bit more interesting when you tried to play with the AI's personalities. I find these games to be pretty bad at being competitive strategy games but very good at just being a cool map sandbox to exist in. After you play some grand strategy games like Paradox Development or even later Total Wars those huge 4X games feel too simplistic to work as simulations. I can't help but look at them as competitive boardgames with a strong theme. Endless Space 2 was a fine deep game, but it had no detalization, granularity and breadth that you could compare with Stellaris. On the other hand, unlike Stellaris it had some actual interesting gameplay choice. But those were made moot by the fact that you don't need to understand half of the mechanics to win on max difficulty. I'm afraid Humankind falls in between those genres too: not big and complex and granular enough to be a simulation; and not having a good balance and AI to be an interesting boardgame.
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Gort posted:Anyone else hearing audio "tearing" on the sound effects for your units footsteps? In the opendevs it usually seemed best to me to attach territories to cities instead of having new cities. Might be that with the rebalancing the choice isn't as clear cut now. I believe there are also soft caps to how many cities you can have and how many territories you can attach to each city
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Gort posted:Anyone else hearing audio "tearing" on the sound effects for your units footsteps? Advice from the beta, which may have changed: There's a cap on cities, where you pay a bunch of influence extra for going over the cap. That's dealable later when influence is easy, but during the early game influence is hard so you probably want to keep to your limit. Eventually, you can disconnect territories from cities back into outputs, and then build new cities in them - they lose their access to anything built in the original city, but keep any hexes they developed. I generally found two territories per city felt right - more than that was too high an influence cost for tool little value, and one territory and the city just fell behind.
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Prism posted:The first message: 'HOLY poo poo DID YOU SEE THAT NUKE STOP' OH gently caress, MR WATSON
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not a fan of one of the first things i see, being a broken button to buy dlc if i want a certain personality trait
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Aug 17, 2021 19:42
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Looking forward to engaging in nuclear brinksmanship in all my multiplayer games
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skeleton warrior posted:Advice from the beta, which may have changed: Just have one giant city per continent, imo. Not because this is efficient but because it's funny.
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Playing now. Is there a way to end turn without advancing to a new era immediately? I'm in the Neolithic with 11/10 science and 4/5 population, would like to get that extra bit of population before advancing if possible. Edit: I was just confused, the event it asked me about was not the move to a new era. Chamale fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Aug 17, 2021 |
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Aug 17, 2021 20:02
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They decided to leave their best piece of advertising for the very end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGi00HqpmS0
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Four hour trip report: I think it’s really good. Once I got past the folder from the betas crashing my game I’ve had no performance issues and only a couple superficial UI bugs. More importantly I’ve actually been enjoying diplomacy and combat in a 4X game which seems really weird? I think Amplitude is really on to something cool here. And it’s already like 3.5 times their previous high in terms of concurrent players so it seems to be selling really well too, even before taking into account the day 1 deal from Google and Microsoft.
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