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Tree Bucket posted:I am definitely buying this, and I am definitely waiting a couple of weeks for the bugs to get squished! It carries and it's weird. I ended another civilization just as they changed, so I murdered millions of Babylonians, then the game tells me the Greeks are no more. I'd like some sort of view that easily told me what the other civs used to be, would make it slightly less confusing.
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btw if you have too many cities or want to get rid of an outpost: hit the All Cities button top right and Liberate them thoughts on the game: lost my Scout on turn 1 and it just kept dumping on me from there, trying to learn I made so many mistakes I have like half the Fame of the Nr. 1
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Aug 18, 2021 08:57
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Tree Bucket posted:How does the "pick a new civ" thing feel when it comes to a sense of continuity? Like, if I have a long-running rivalry with the Romans, does that kind of carry across when they become Japan or whatever? Honestly it feels little more than Endless Space 2 party election thing. Every civ is labeled with affinity with a bonus exactly like ES2 party would bring (expansionists can ignore closed borders, scientific people can research into the next era etc) plus a building and a unit. The building is often strong but there are 6 eras in the game and you won't have a lot of time to build them. Units might require resource you don't even have. Special traits remain but they aren't that big, at least early on. To me it feels like I'm playing ES2 but there's only one faction in the game, but they have more powerful laws and mission bonuses.
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Aug 18, 2021 09:04
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One silly thing you can do if you have a lot of influence to burn is to move the outpost all over the province in order to rapidly scout out the entire province in one turn. It eats up influence but it's worth it.
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Aug 18, 2021 09:07
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My biggest complaint right now is how annoying it is to see your borders.
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Aug 18, 2021 09:14
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champagne posting posted:It carries and it's weird. I ended another civilization just as they changed, so I murdered millions of Babylonians, then the game tells me the Greeks are no more. It would be nice if you named your civilization and that was used as a primary identifier much like how you can create a flag/avatar.
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Aug 18, 2021 09:31
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WarEternal posted:My biggest complaint right now is how annoying it is to see your borders. yeah you absolutely have to change the AI colors so there is no samey colors, I think 6 players is max that way also I like to play so far zoomed in I still see the terrain, but then it's super hard to tell whats a district and whats just claimed (especially farm districts just look like the surrounding farms)
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Aug 18, 2021 09:43
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The middle zoom level where everything is grey really is weird. One of the reviewers mentioned it and yeah I dunno what they were thinking with that.
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Aug 18, 2021 09:46
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maybe it's just my civ brain but copper and horses seem really loving rare
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Aug 18, 2021 09:53
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Chopstick Dystopia posted:maybe it's just my civ brain but copper and horses seem really loving rare It seems like you need trade to get strategic resources. Can't just go to war against the entire world.
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Aug 18, 2021 10:09
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Tree Bucket posted:I am definitely buying this, and I am definitely waiting a couple of weeks for the bugs to get squished! It feels a bit weird, but the avatar and their colours remain the same so there is a sense of rivalry in a way. So it feels a bit like "I'm having a rivalry with the blue horse faction to my north who is represented by Boudicca, and now Boudicca is wearing celtic clothes instead of Harappan" or whatever when they radically change cultures. It feels more like you have a rivalry with the avatar than with the civilisation as a whole?
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Aug 18, 2021 10:14
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Chopstick Dystopia posted:maybe it's just my civ brain but copper and horses seem really loving rare Yeah I wish they had come up with a different system for this. I guess really my main impression after playing yesterday is of how similar the game is to Civ. Which lots of people are probably happy about but I'm a little disappointed it doesn't feel more different to play.
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Aug 18, 2021 10:16
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Sheesh, either I settled next to tiny horses or mammoths are bigger than I always thought
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Aug 18, 2021 10:20
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fuf posted:The middle zoom level where everything is grey really is weird. One of the reviewers mentioned it and yeah I dunno what they were thinking with that. i hate it
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Aug 18, 2021 10:24
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Chopstick Dystopia posted:maybe it's just my civ brain but copper and horses seem really loving rare They're a little less rare when you take into account that trading resources doesn't actually exchange them - it produces a duplicate for the purchaser. My first game's going alright. I went Harappan, to take full advantage of these great river-valleys around my start, then Mayan, to get big production. I managed to take a bunch of land from the Persians - do not underestimate Immortals, by the way, I just barely beat them with ranged spam - and went Teutonic just in time to get a bunch of expansion stars. Teutonic pairs really nicely with a dominant religion. I'm now desparately searching for the new world so I can get some more expansion done before the Early Modern. I find, as with the beta, that there's a lot of infrastructure that provides pretty marginal gains when compared to just making the city bigger.
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Aug 18, 2021 10:28
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Chopstick Dystopia posted:maybe it's just my civ brain but copper and horses seem really loving rare almost as annoying: Mouse-over on an icon doesn't tell you what it is. So the weird spool is copper, the horse of course is horse and there's a lightning bolt which corresponds to coal ??? user experience madness
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Aug 18, 2021 10:31
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You can claim a wonder you can't build, and you can't unclaim it 
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Aug 18, 2021 10:37
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Endless Legend had the same issues with the secretive map. Special tiles and resources were just a small glitter in the ground. Hard to distinguish from other objects like explorable temples or neutral villages. Once you've discovered a village you'd get a message with the info about this minor race. To see this info again you'd have to be in a position when you can assimilate this faction. Clicking the village icon has no effect. Humankind is much better in that regard.
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Aug 18, 2021 10:38
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victrix posted:You can claim a wonder you can't build, and you can't unclaim it Do I have to destroy the very memory of your civilization to be able to build it?
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Aug 18, 2021 10:39
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So this game won't let me select true fullscreen mode, doesn't support vsync in the borderless windowed mode, and most bafflingly, only lets you set a FPS cap in 10 FPS increments. Why on earth would they make it that way? edit: thankfully, forcing vsync/freesync in the AMD drivers worked for me. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 10:45 on Aug 18, 2021 |
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Aug 18, 2021 10:42
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I always assumed borderless fullscreen means forced v-sync so this option is pointless. Here's a savage ending to PC Gamer Humankind review: "But now that Amplitude has made its Civilization, I really hope it goes back to making Alpha Centauris." https://www.pcgamer.com/humankind-review/
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Aug 18, 2021 11:00
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ilitarist posted:"But now that Amplitude has made its Civilization, I really hope it goes back to making Alpha Centauris." Yeah a hearty amen to that. There's another great quote that it "could have been at least 20% more weird". I won't regret buying this as I definitely want them to continue making Endless games buuut this is far from their greatest showing. There is so much from Endless Legend missing - the weaving of narratives and RPG mechanics (we couldn't have had famous figures from each culture as playable hero/general type units?) the personality of the planet/landscape (I mean, what was wrong with the summer/winter cycle that it would be completely ditched?), the asymmetric main factions, the interesting and varied minor factions.. I expect a lot of this ground may be covered by future DLCs but I hope after they've got it all out of their system they go back to what they are best at. Turning this studio into a factory for the next 5 Humankind sequels would be a tragedy too intense for my whining, privileged brain to handle.
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Aug 18, 2021 12:20
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Yeah, while Humankind is good and I'm sure has a bunch of potential from DLC's, their Endless universe is just a cooler game setting.
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Aug 18, 2021 12:36
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So has anyone played this yet on a stadia lol
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Aug 18, 2021 12:44
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Conversely, I have no real interest in the endless space stuff. Endless legend seems OK but I never got around to playing it. Humankind caught my attention much more! I wouldn't mind them taking the Humankind basis, and using that to develop more out-there games with a humankind sequel every now and then to reel in civ players like me. A question on world generation: what map size works best with how many players? I've tried a few settings now, sometimes the map feels too cramped (esp with new world on) and sometimes it felt so sparsely populated I didn't meat another player until well into the classical era.
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Chadzok posted:. There is so much from Endless Legend missing - the weaving of narratives and RPG mechanics (we couldn't have had famous figures from each culture as playable hero/general type units?) the personality of the planet/landscape (I mean, what was wrong with the summer/winter cycle that it would be completely ditched?), the asymmetric main factions, the interesting and varied minor factions.. Now you mention it there's a very impressive character creator and the person you create there is then used for nothing afaik. "Oh look you changed costume with your culture"
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Aug 18, 2021 12:56
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champagne posting posted:Now you mention it there's a very impressive character creator and the person you create there is then used for nothing afaik. "Oh look you changed costume with your culture" you get a lil animation during diplomacy I think it's just multiplayer fluff, they have MTX for (bugged) sale from day 1 and multiplayer drives those sales
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Aug 18, 2021 13:07
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champagne posting posted:Now you mention it there's a very impressive character creator and the person you create there is then used for nothing afaik. "Oh look you changed costume with your culture" The character you make is used on the diplomacy screen (face, hair, costume colour etc), but their clothes change with cultures.
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Deltasquid posted:Conversely, I have no real interest in the endless space stuff. Your enjoyment of this is certainly going to depend on how much you liked the Endless games. Personally thought Endless Space was trash and Endless Legend was okay except the AI could never cope.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:11
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Should I be slamming down as many outposts as I can in the early game? How many actual cities should I be building (instead of absorbing outposts into my capital)
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Aug 18, 2021 13:15
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My tutorial game was me focusing on Influence then Science and I was slamming down outposts to claim all the land I could before converting one into my second city. It made the later game a breeze. But now I'm realizing the tutorial game doesn't actually end so I'm a bit upset at sinking so many hours into it yesterday. Might as well finish filling out the tech tree and popping as many achievements as I can while I'm up here.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:20
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SirSamVimes posted:Should I be slamming down as many outposts as I can in the early game? How many actual cities should I be building (instead of absorbing outposts into my capital) I've been sticking with attaching two outposts per city.
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Communist Bear posted:Your enjoyment of this is certainly going to depend on how much you liked the Endless games. I already bought humankind and I'm enjoying it 
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Aug 18, 2021 13:31
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SirSamVimes posted:Should I be slamming down as many outposts as I can in the early game? How many actual cities should I be building (instead of absorbing outposts into my capital) So far (beginning of medieval) I’ve been building to my city cap + 1. After that the influence cost for being over the cap is too much to handle at the moment. Then I’ve just been claiming territory around those cities, especially if they have resources, and slowly integrating it into my cities. 2 additional territories you can get to pretty quickly, so I’ve tried getting two on every city before a third on any of them. I did slow down once the independent cities sprung up because it became harder to hold some territories against the aggressive ones. No idea if this is correct or not but it seems pretty good so far?
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SirSamVimes posted:Should I be slamming down as many outposts as I can in the early game? How many actual cities should I be building (instead of absorbing outposts into my capital) Check out the top-right corner of the UI, there'll be a counter for "city cap". At the start of the game it's 2, so try and find two decent cities and attach a couple of outposts to each if you can. Obviously don't if you can't take the stability hit.
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Aug 18, 2021 15:46
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Emperor difficulty is definitely hard, the AI trounced me first game and I've given up.
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Aug 18, 2021 15:48
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Goa Tse-tung posted:yeah you absolutely have to change the AI colors so there is no samey colors, I think 6 players is max that way One of the filters on the bottom right causes districts to be outlined and have an icon in the center of the hex with it's type. it just shows that instead of all resources or every hex grid, I've just kept that permanently on as it doesn't look that bad and makes your districts (mostly) clear.
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I've been playing on Metropolis difficulty and the AI seems fine so far - obviously I'm no good at the game yet but I don't feel like I'm running away with the game. Looking it up, Metropolis difficulty is the closest to the AI getting no bonuses - they get a 5% bonus to food, industry, money and science, but that's basically nothing.
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Chopstick Dystopia posted:maybe it's just my civ brain but copper and horses seem really loving rare This was my complaint in the Open Beta, on that map I colonized the entire new world and the mainland continent had exactly two resource deposits on it (or maybe it was just two luxuries? might've actually had more strategics been a while). I was hoping the release version would have something like an "abundant" option for resource generation like in Civ, I haven't gotten to load this up yet though.
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Strategic resources in general seem more rare. On the other hand, acquiring them via trade doesn’t remove access to that resource from the seller, so one horse or one copper can serve as access for multiple empires. The “problem” I guess is that you’re then more dependent on that empire and the trade routes can be pillaged or blocked. It seems deliberate enough that I imagine that kind of friction is intended.
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