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Cup Runneth Over posted:The best in his field at throwing pieces of paper at people It’s pretty tough to get paper to fly on a straight line like that. Mad respect.
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Sydin posted:Even for a GOP guy in a state rump party Cox sucks so loving much, lol. extreme Jeb! energy from his campaign this year
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Shear Modulus posted:extreme Jeb! energy from his campaign this year BeAuMaN posted:Please
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I see there's another socialist candidate, Dennis Richter, representing the Socialist Workers Party. What's good/bad about them? I wonder if wildfire season will affect the results against Newsom as well.
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Looks like this is their main website https://themilitant.com/ I'm curious why there are 2 Trotskyist parties in California. Can someone provide a rundown on the SEP v SWP split?
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droll posted:Looks like this is their main website https://themilitant.com/ There's a long and interesting history to it, a good introduction is here, but I'll try to keep my summary brief. The 4th International had always maintained that Stalinism was a reactionary force that would either be overthrown or eventually destroy the Soviet Union. After WWII the big question was how to understand Eastern Europe and China where Stalinist forces had extended their grip. The conclusion was that these were "deformed workers states," i.e. there was a planned economy and a monopoly on foreign trade as there was in the Soviet Union, but it had been established bureaucratically and the working class in those countries remained firmly oppressed by the Stalinists and Trotskyists needed to fight for the working class to take power in those countries. Going into the 50s part of the 4th International under Michel Pablo broke with that analysis and claimed that Stalinism was really progressive. Instead of the working class needing to overthrow Stalinism they had to reconcile themselves to a coming global nuclear war that the USSR would win and then over a few centuries the Stalinist bureaucracy would "self-reform" into genuine socialism with political freedom for the working class. Naturally a lot of Trotskyists opposed this bizarre and deeply pessimistic conception and a split occurred between the International Committee (IC) that maintained the need for the independent political organization of the working class, and Pablo's International Secretariat that insisted Trotskyists needed to act as advisors to whatever organization currently had mass support whether that was Stalinist, Social Democrat, or even right-wing nationalist. The SEP is a section of the IC, while the SWP after a few twists and turns is a section of the IS. These basic political differences play out into the modern day where the SEP highlights the danger presented by Donald Trump trying to organize a fascist movement in the United States, while the SWP downplays the danger of events like the January coup attempt. Canasta_Nasty fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Aug 18, 2021 |
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Thanks that's really helpful. Would another way to write it be "SWP supports Stalin's 'socialism in one country' ideology (Marxism-Leninism), SEP does not" ? Wouldn't that mean they're calling themselves Trotskyist but they're instead Marxist-Leninist? I've only been reading this stuff for like, 2 weeks.
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droll posted:Thanks that's really helpful. Would another way to write it be "SWP supports Stalin's 'socialism in one country' ideology (Marxism-Leninism), SEP does not" ? Wouldn't that mean they're calling themselves Trotskyist but they're instead Marxist-Leninist? I've only been reading this stuff for like, 2 weeks. Not quite. Their claim would be no matter the intention of the Stalinists to build "socialism in one country" they would be forced by the global struggle with imperialism to become revolutionary whether they wanted to or not. In short there was no reason to fight for political positions because everyone from Castro to Khrushchev would become an unconscious Trotskyist in response to objective conditions. It was pretty crazy. Socialist Workers Party posted:Such a war would take on, from the very beginning, the character of an international civil war, especially in Europe and in Asia. These continents would rapidly pass over under the control of the Soviet bureaucracy, of the Communist Parties, or of the revolutionary masses. Of course, rather than being driven by objective events into an implacable struggle against imperialism, the Stalinists just dissolved the Soviet Union and restored capitalism.
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Tayter Swift posted:The lovely one The loving YouTuber?
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Yes. Vote no on question 1 and for the Youtuber for 2. It's not ideal, but it's better than one of the Republicans getting in and potentially replacing Feinstein when this dark time causes her to croak.
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I'm not voting for the youtube guy who claims he's going to "end homelessness in 60 days" by siccing the national guard on them regardless of how much you fearmonger about Feinstein getting replaced by an R. Sorry, gently caress off with that poo poo.
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Lmao Paffrath isn't a Democrat, he's just running as one because he's hoping he'll get voted in by Dems panicking about their options. If you're going to vote for Paffrath just leave it blank instead. Edit: like seriously, I know Blue No Matter Who types highly value the D next to someone's name, but he wants to kill the homeless, put police on every street corner, privatize public schools, put toll roads everywhere, slash taxes to the bone, and end all the COVID mandates. If that platform makes you a Democrat then you should be perfectly happy for voting for Democratic stalwart Larry Elder. Wicked Them Beats fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Aug 19, 2021 |
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If anything you'd want a Larry Elder over a Paffrath because being R will automatically create hostility with the CA legislature and populace, while Paffrath being D makes it that easier for him to push evil poo poo without anyone caring to pay attention. E: even worse, he could become a flagbearer for the party if it appears to "work". America Inc. fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Aug 19, 2021 |
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This is my fuckin guy, hands down. Just look at that swag. https://imgur.com/a/Z5Dd68H I have no loving clue how to direct Imgur link from my phone anymore.
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My ballot arrived yesterday and I dropped it off this morning. My Voter Information packet arrived this afternoon, lol
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:I have no loving clue how to direct Imgur link from my phone anymore. Update your Awful app, I had the same problem until maybe last week. CPColin posted:My ballot arrived yesterday and I dropped it off this morning. My Voter Information packet arrived this afternoon, lol Same
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So if California votes "yes" for the recall, does the winner get a fresh new term or does he have to run again when the next election would otherwise be set to come up?
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CPColin posted:I tweeted that I voted for Nixon He'd be more progressive than any D or R today, except for the whole Southern Strategy thing
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Eric Cantonese posted:So if California votes "yes" for the recall, does the winner get a fresh new term or does he have to run again when the next election would otherwise be set to come up? They finish out the term. Next election is in 2022.
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Anonymous Zebra posted:Yes. Vote no on question 1 and for the Youtuber for 2. It's not ideal, but it's better than one of the Republicans getting in and potentially replacing Feinstein when this dark time causes her to croak. I'd genuinely prefer to have an insane Trump Republican for a year than the Democrat landlord influencer guy who seemingly favors genuine, unironic fascist policies re: homeless people. No way in hell am I going to kickstart this twerp's career. At least a Republican would be almost guaranteed to lose the next election, which is only a year away.
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Canasta_Nasty posted:Not quite. Interesting stuff thanks for taking the time to write this up. There's so much to read -_- Vox Nihili posted:I'd genuinely prefer to have an insane Trump Republican for a year than the Democrat landlord influencer guy who seemingly favors genuine, unironic fascist policies re: homeless people. No way in hell am I going to kickstart this twerp's career. At least a Republican would be almost guaranteed to lose the next election, which is only a year away. Isn't it interesting how conservatives, reactionaries and fascists can be Ds or Rs interchangeably.
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Anonymous Zebra posted:Yes. Vote no on question 1 and for the Youtuber for 2. It's not ideal, but it's better than one of the Republicans getting in and potentially replacing Feinstein when this dark time causes her to croak. Yeah gently caress that, that guy sucks.
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Canasta_Nasty posted:There's a long and interesting history to it, a good introduction is here, but I'll try to keep my summary brief. The 4th International had always maintained that Stalinism was a reactionary force that would either be overthrown or eventually destroy the Soviet Union. After WWII the big question was how to understand Eastern Europe and China where Stalinist forces had extended their grip. The conclusion was that these were "deformed workers states," i.e. there was a planned economy and a monopoly on foreign trade as there was in the Soviet Union, but it had been established bureaucratically and the working class in those countries remained firmly oppressed by the Stalinists and Trotskyists needed to fight for the working class to take power in those countries. So SWP is C-SPAM, got it.
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Well poo poo. Checked my mail tonight and got my ballot…and a second one in my former name. Obviously I’m not gonna break the drat law but I am wondering how I remove the old name from the voter rolls
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Hawkperson posted:Well poo poo. Checked my mail tonight and got my ballot…and a second one in my former name. Obviously I’m not gonna break the drat law but I am wondering how I remove the old name from the voter rolls Probably depends on your county.
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Time to read through the past couple of pages for ideas on who the most socialist person I can vote for is since the state Democratic party in its infinite wisdom have decided I shouldn't vote for anyone. In other state news, I can't wait to find out what caused this; quote:Remote hiking area where Northern California family was found dead treated as a hazmat site
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LtStorm posted:Time to read through the past couple of pages for ideas on who the most socialist person I can vote for is since the state Democratic party in its infinite wisdom have decided I shouldn't vote for anyone. So I should just be wearing my respirator whenever I go out ever, huh
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Hawkperson posted:Well poo poo. Checked my mail tonight and got my ballot…and a second one in my former name. Obviously I’m not gonna break the drat law but I am wondering how I remove the old name from the voter rolls Contact your county elections office and they can do that sort of thing.
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PhazonLink posted:your mask isnt going to help with CO2 gas displacing air. An OV/AG respirator with P100 will probably keep out any harmful gas from toxic algae, though
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Cup Runneth Over posted:An OV/AG respirator with P100 will probably keep out any harmful gas from toxic algae, though https://sls.3m.com/  Straight up though, if you go to the respirator selector, the first question they ask is:  If you say yes they're like "contact us about getting SCBA equipment" In the end respirators without direct air supplies are only mitigation tools. Very useful mitigation tools, but mitigation tools none the less. afaik CO2 gas is just nasty because you can't smell it, can't see it, it's heavier than air so it fills up a low area and you won't even know it until it reaches your face and you start having breathing trouble from the air being displaced, and also it's toxic in such a fashion that in high enough concentrations it will render you unconscious. So if those hikers somehow hiked into a low area that was basically a pool of CO2 gas from CO2 gas dumped into it, they'd start coughing and being short of breath, not sure what's going on, maybe falling unconscious and then suffocating to death. At least that's my limited understanding; someone who's more well read into it could probably explain it better. BeAuMaN fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Aug 19, 2021 |
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