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flavor.flv posted:That describes most really good movies imo A lot of good movie moments are caused by accidents or coincidence. The ending of the Last Temptation of Christ for example was a total accident.
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Aug 29, 2021 17:05
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I assumed it was just a case of if you make a robot that can perfectly appear human then it is going to run the risk of also picking up other human traits. Which makes sense, IMO, they are supposed to be just as if not smarter than people AFAIK, it makes sense that some of them might develop horny as a side effect of living with humans in a human society, as well as a bunch of other potential oddities that they are not strictly programmed for. Him being a robot lets them control some parts of his behaviour but not the fine details. And the robots not being entirely under the control of their creators is entirely fitting with the central theme of the alien movies which is that people can not loving stop trying to do stupid poo poo that ends up killing everyone. I thought the parallel between Ash being a pawn of the company but not wholly under its control because his nature as a complex (but horrible) being is at odds with the crude restrictions they have put on him, who then in turn idolises the alien which could also be employed as a weapon for them but which would also obviously be uncontrollable in many ways, is a very good bit of thematic symmetry in the film. OwlFancier has a new favorite as of 18:22 on Aug 29, 2021 |
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Aug 29, 2021 18:19
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It is possible that my own asexuality is causing me to view this with a more skeptical lens. Why would he pick up horny? A sort of side-jealousy that they have this area of experience he can't access? I dunno I don't like it.
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Aug 29, 2021 18:27
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It's a Ridley Scott movie, of course the robot is going to be weirdly horny.
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Aug 29, 2021 18:39
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Weyland-Yutani is not exactly an intelligently run company. See also: literally everything their employees and founders do.
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Aug 29, 2021 18:43
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best ai in a movie:forbin the colossus project (0.0001 seconds after being switched on, with full access to the launch codes): the gently caress? gently caress this, gently caress you all
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Aug 29, 2021 19:19
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The alien is a rape monster that kills people with its penis head and rapey stabby tail. Earlier in the alien life cycle, it exploded from a vagina egg and jammed a penis down a throat to forcibly lay an egg in someone that grows into a penis that explodes from someone's chest. Ash having some kind of implied sexual hang up seems like a given in that context. And yes, the director intended that the magazine was porn.
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Aug 29, 2021 22:05
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Why do they fill the androids full of milk?
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Aug 29, 2021 22:51
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Saves room in the fridge for beer.
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Aug 29, 2021 22:54
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Panfilo posted:Why do they fill the androids full of milk? That wasn’t milk….what? It’s yoghurt duhh.
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Panfilo posted:Why do they fill the androids full of milk? It's cum, op.
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In a series of movies full of incredibly strong and powerful imagery, the androids full of milk is what has stayed with me the most throughout the years.
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Aug 30, 2021 02:19
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The beginning of Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves The robed guys with spooky masks and torches that accompany Sherrif Alan Rickman when he confronts Lord Locksley (Brian Blessed) They're on foot and Locksley is in full arnor riding a charger. He might not have been victorious but he had a lot of options. Then the weird cultish people led by Rickman saying "Join us... or die." do nothing the rest of the movie. What happened to them? Tuck ends up killing the bishop as a conspirator but otherwise there's a bunch of klan members that don't get theirs.
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Aug 30, 2021 02:47
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I like to think Friar Tuck used his fourth-wall-breaking powers to find them all and kick them all out of various windows.
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Aug 30, 2021 02:59
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Irrational irritation about a movie but not actually in the movie: When people say “The Big Lebowski” to refer to The Dude. The Big Lebowski is the one in the wheelchair. Do not make a joke along the lines of “actually it’s Lebowski’s Monster.” I know you’re thinking it.
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HopperUK posted:It is possible that my own asexuality is causing me to view this with a more skeptical lens. Why would he pick up horny? A sort of side-jealousy that they have this area of experience he can't access? I dunno I don't like it. I guess I generally subscribe to the idea that sexuality has varying degrees of mutability where some people have positions from a very young age and they don't change, and for others it might change over time as mine has. Though he might not actually be horny as a human would understand it but it at least makes sense to me that an intelligent robot might see that humans experience intimacy, romance, sexuality etc, and develop some hangups about it. A lot of humans develop hangups about it that are largely rooted in the social perceptions of intimacy that they are exposed to over the course of their life. Essentially I can entirely believe that Ash could be a robo-incel even if he doesn't have a human sex drive because he lives as a human man in a society and can still pick up the lovely ideas from that society. Perhaps as a robot he looks at the porno mags and doesn't really understand it but does feel like he is expected to understand it because the magazines are presented with that assumption, and that makes him feel like he is wrong somehow because of that and as a secret company agent robot he probably doesn't really have anybody who he could talk to about that. And he's already a person who is totally OK with killing a bunch of other people so he's probably predisposed to lovely ideas generally. Him being someone who hates humans but also looks like and is expected to live as one and is struggling to fully make sense of how he feels about that and how to process human social expectations and also he is a murderer and so all this emotional turmoil gets expressed in really hosed up ways, I thought it was quite a good characterisation and an interesting inversion of the "robot learns how to love" idea because if they can do that it seems reasonable that they might also learn a bunch of way more horrible behaviours that skirt around the concept of attraction but are not the same thing but which society often conflates with it. Like in a film where as noted there are already themes of sex and assault and stuff, I am inclined to read it as a portrayal of how hosed up attitudes about sex and women can be pushed by society onto people who otherwise might not have them. The idea that toxic masculinity is contagious enough that it can affect people who are not even technically men. I dunno anything about the writing of the film or whether that is what it intended, given how old it is I would expect it probably isn't, but that's how I read it at least. I think it fits in well with the movie. OwlFancier has a new favorite as of 06:46 on Aug 30, 2021 |
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Aug 30, 2021 06:36
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OwlFancier posted:I guess I generally subscribe to the idea that sexuality has varying degrees of mutability where some people have positions from a very young age and they don't change, and for others it might change over time as mine has.  (Sorry)
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Aug 30, 2021 06:54
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Imagine me doing a large bong rip and going "what if the movie is about how society makes us all into the real monsters maaaaaan" if you want a TLDR
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Panfilo posted:Why do they fill the androids full of milk? so there can be that cool moment where ridley cuts an android's arm off but it bleeds red blood and then you know, woah, it was actually just a guy but they changed it in the US release so it didn't hit home there.
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Aug 30, 2021 07:07
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Henchman of Santa posted:Irrational irritation about a movie but not actually in the movie: When people say “The Big Lebowski” to refer to The Dude. The Big Lebowski is the one in the wheelchair. We didn't actually see Lebowski's Monster even in the sex scene.
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Aug 30, 2021 07:12
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Henchman of Santa posted:Irrational irritation about a movie but not actually in the movie: When people say “The Big Lebowski” to refer to The Dude. The Big Lebowski is the one in the wheelchair. They're getting in on the plot where everyone thinks the dude is Lebowski.
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Aug 30, 2021 07:27
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Ash reads Playboy for the articles. Also while Alien is famous for its extremely 1979 portrayal of future technology, the idea of porno mags still being around in the year 2122 seems among the most dubious.
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Aug 30, 2021 12:24
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Henchman of Santa posted:Ash reads Playboy for the articles. It's the only way they could stop the Nostromo getting infected with malware.
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Aug 30, 2021 12:32
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Henchman of Santa posted:Ash reads Playboy for the articles. Ahh Ash was a fan of classical literature then not a sex pervert.
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Aug 30, 2021 12:51
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Okay I do kind of like the read on it as how toxic masculinity can affect people who would not generally have been susceptible to such ideas. Cheers!
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Henchman of Santa posted:Ash reads Playboy for the articles. He found the magazines buried in an asteroid belt
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Ash's OSHA.txt file got corrupted and he thought everyone would have thought that Ripley had tragically died in a very common type of workplace accident.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Ash reads Playboy for the articles. In space the internet is really expensive.
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Aug 30, 2021 13:58
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Pretty sure for the same reason porno mags have a solid niche for sailors.
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:Neuromancer. Wasn't that also the plot of one of the System Shock games? HopperUK posted:People like you are standing in the way of progress! I follow a lot of webseries (think Marble Hornets type stuff) and the community can be insufferable about that kind of criticism sometimes. "Why did the camera happen to be on to catch this exact thing?" "Why was he recording himself doing X" Because if they didn't there'd be no story to watch! loving aye. Henchman of Santa posted:Irrational irritation about a movie but not actually in the movie: When people say “The Big Lebowski” to refer to The Dude. The Big Lebowski is the one in the wheelchair. It's only a Big Lebowski if it comes from the LA region of the United States. Otherwise, it's just sparkling Dude. Neito has a new favorite as of 14:36 on Aug 30, 2021 |
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Aug 30, 2021 14:23
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After 2020 can anyone honestly think someone wouldn't read the flesh bound latin tome? Stupid libtard, I'll shoot the demon with my ar-15
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Aug 30, 2021 15:19
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OwlFancier posted:I assume technically the nostromo would be a work computer.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Irrational irritation about a movie but not actually in the movie: When people say “The Big Lebowski” to refer to The Dude. The Big Lebowski is the one in the wheelchair. Neito posted:It's only a Big Lebowski if it comes from the LA region of the United States. Otherwise, it's just sparkling Dude. 
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Chubby Henparty posted:best ai in a movie:forbin the colossus project Yeah that happened in one of the Avengers movies too. They turned on Ultron and he looked at the internet and went "yeah you all need to die"
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Aug 30, 2021 17:47
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That Italian Guy posted:I don't want to search for porn on MOTHER; but according to stats it looks like most people would. In conclusion, future-porn is a land of contrasts, I guess. You can only search MILF porn, anway.
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Aug 30, 2021 19:28
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OwlFancier posted:I guess I generally subscribe to the idea that sexuality has varying degrees of mutability where some people have positions from a very young age and they don't change, and for others it might change over time as mine has. Rascar Capac posted:It's cum, op. Ash knew exactly what he was into and arguably achieved all his goals. He was the viewer's surrogate but, unfortunately, said viewer was also Gieger.
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Aug 30, 2021 22:27
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Watched Seventh Son today, and god drat is Jeff Bridges weird bane impression annoying.
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I interpreted Ash's neurosis as a symptom of the internal conflict between his secret orders and his inbuilt inhibitions and ethics. I assumed his porn collection might be a cargo cult-like attempt to be more human, and the bizarre way he tried to kill Ripley when he could've just ripped her head off might have been an attempt to murder someone through a bizarre loophole in his 'don't murder people' protocols, e.g. my programming didn't SAY I can't ram a magazine down your throat.
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