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Eediot Jedi posted:your fault for not suggesting "kill me now" as an option. If I had a time machine that would 100% be my only sticky note
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Solemn Sloth posted:From my view it’s less the 200 days of lockdown and more the knowledge that any attempt at zero covid will be actively sabotaged by the loving NSW government. I've given up any hope for 0 because of NSW. It's not possible imo. Also 200 days of lockdown doesn't feel true because we popped in and out, you never have any confidence and we are over a full year doing it at this point. I don't blame anyone in Vic for being so tired they throw their hands in the air.
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Aug 30, 2021 03:09
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abigserve posted:I would say everyone I know is squarely blaming Gladys for the outbreak and Scomo for the shocking vaccine situation but - the appetite for more lockdowns is starting to shift primarily because an increasing amount of people (myself included) are starting to realize that 0 COVID forever just isn't possible. We - as in, humanity - collectively hosed that chicken when we failed to contain the outbreak initially. So the lockdowns feel less like tasks on the road to a greater accomplishment and more like chores while awaiting the inevitable. Yeah I hear a similar sentiment. I don't think COVID zero is possible at all anymore. It's far too late for that. We can hope for suppression until we reach 80% and children are vaxxed.
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Aug 30, 2021 03:13
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Dandrews won’t admit it but I think the end game here is to stop cases blowing out too much in the month or so it takes to hit the vaccination targets. Once the virus gets into certain communities it becomes extremely difficult to eradicate and almost impossible with delta unless you get onto it very early. We’ve missed our chance at that and NSW have well and truly blown their shot at it so we’re stuck with the virus now.
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Aug 30, 2021 03:21
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StrangeThing posted:I know this is a fear, but everything I've read suggests this is unlikely given that viruses tend to become less deadly over the long-term, rather than more. But who knows. I think the long asymptomatic transmission period for covid/delta reduces the influence of the tendency you're talking about, which is basically a selective evolutionary pressure towards having vectors survive longer to reproduce more. Pretty sure it's more relevant to deadlier diseases that would 'prefer' evolutionarily to kill people less frequently/quickly and have less obvious symptoms.
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Aug 30, 2021 03:49
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JBP posted:I've given up any hope for 0 because of NSW. It's not possible imo. Also 200 days of lockdown doesn't feel true because we popped in and out, you never have any confidence and we are over a full year doing it at this point. I don't blame anyone in Vic for being so tired they throw their hands in the air. The problem here is that 0 cases is the reality for states like QLD, WA - pretty much everywhere that isn't NSW or VIC. It's going to be an extremely hard sell for states where 0 cases is the norm to accept some COVID. It's equally a hard sell for states currently in lockdown to accept these lockdowns indefinitely - and right now, they are indefinite. NSW is hosed, and VIC just seems to be hanging around the 70-90 range. I don't think vaccinations are going to solve that. Your first shot provides a limited amount of protection, you need at least two to be considered properly vaccinated, and there's a two-month long waiting list at some distribution centres. If we are, as someone upthread suggested, in lockdown so we can limit the amount of cases while everyone gets vaxxed up, then we're in lockdown for the rest of the year. I think what frustrates me most is how little recourse we have. This is absolutely a failure of state and federal governments, but there's nothing we can really do about it. It's been a source of frustration for me seeing anti-lockdown protests and thinking that they're basically the only people left with any political will. Sure, it's destructive and only serves to justify prolonged lockdowns, but they see where things are going and they are trying to act against it. What the gently caress is anyone who's pissed off at the Morrison or Berejiklian governments doing about it? What can we do about it?
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Aug 30, 2021 03:52
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gay picnic defence posted:Dandrews won’t admit it but I think the end game here is to stop cases blowing out too much in the month or so it takes to hit the vaccination targets. Once the virus gets into certain communities it becomes extremely difficult to eradicate and almost impossible with delta unless you get onto it very early. We’ve missed our chance at that and NSW have well and truly blown their shot at it so we’re stuck with the virus now. He's been saying this consistently for days. What makes you think he "won't admit" it? We're not going for covid zero, we're going for 70%-80% vaccination as part of a national strategy
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Aug 30, 2021 04:08
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Anidav posted:#Newspoll Federal Primary Votes: L/NP 36 (-3) ALP 40 (+1) GRN 10 (-1) ON 3 (0) #auspol polls don't mean anything reminder number 10,000+
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Aug 30, 2021 04:26
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bell jar posted:He's been saying this consistently for days. What makes you think he "won't admit" it? We're not going for covid zero, we're going for 70%-80% vaccination as part of a national strategy Has he? I have been avoiding the news lately.
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Aug 30, 2021 04:30
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the whole thing has felt like everybody was trying to shore up a dam while berejiklian and morrison have been kicking holes in it the entire time saying we cant avoid the water forever and you know they're gonna take a victory lap after theyre successful telling everybody i told ya so
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Aug 30, 2021 04:34
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bell jar posted:He's been saying this consistently for days. What makes you think he "won't admit" it? We're not going for covid zero, we're going for 70%-80% vaccination as part of a national strategy In the long run, yes (as are all the other premiers) but in the short term he explicitly said yesterday that the government's aim is still to attempt to drive numbers back down low and then reopen, as opposed to NSW which can only vaccinate its way out: quote:Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said the increasing case numbers across the state are a result of people not following the rules, people putting off testing, undetected community transmission and asymptomatic transmission of COVID-19. bowmore posted:polls don't mean anything reminder number 10,000+ I don't know why so many people don't believe in polls anymore. UK election 2015 was the only one where they were actually well off. Brexit, Trump and Australia 2019 were all generally accurate - it was the commentating classes who simply didn't believe what the polls were saying and so wrote their own narrative and then got shocked when it was wrong, leading to the false narrative of "the polls got it wrong."
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Aug 30, 2021 04:42
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bowmore posted:polls don't mean anything reminder number 10,000+ Agree with the sentiment but I'm genuinely curious if any of the major pollsters have changed their methodology since the last election. I know there was post election analysis that showed significant "herding" and that the breakdown of the poll results indicates the polling was overall not too bad 2PP but that 2PP doesn't translate into seats, i.e. Labor was picking up voters in seats that were already Labor.
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Aug 30, 2021 04:56
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:the whole thing has felt like everybody was trying to shore up a dam while berejiklian and morrison have been kicking holes in it the entire time saying we cant avoid the water forever and you know they're gonna take a victory lap after theyre successful telling everybody i told ya so Yeah, this. There's a very big difference between the rest of the country were the general idea is that 'We accept that long term covid will be in the community, but we are in a situation where we are: a) currently hardly impacted cause we've got no covid or had it controllable; and b) have time to get everyone fully vaxxed so people don't needlessly die" and whatever the gently caress Scomo and Gladys are pushing. The fact that the actions and incompetence of NSW and the Feds are directly undermining the efforts of the other states and killing or seriously harming people who otherwise would have likely been fine should be met with the rage and contempt that it deserves. That Dan has been so measured in not openly targetting the blame for this at the Feds or NSW is honestly surprising to me and I hope that at some point it changes. Direct all the peoples anger at those fucks and let the blood flow imo.
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Aug 30, 2021 04:58
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Periphery posted:That Dan has been so measured in not openly targetting the blame for this at the Feds or NSW is honestly surprising to me and I hope that at some point it changes. Direct all the peoples anger at those fucks and let the blood flow imo. You're saying this a day after he dropped that steaming bit of idiocy about people in NSW stealing your vaccines so they could go on picnics
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Aug 30, 2021 06:03
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Guardian Au posted:Overworked Sydney intensive care nurses are increasing sedative doses for some patients in order to manage their workload, claiming pressure from the Delta outbreak makes it impossible to monitor all of their charges. amazing. I also saw that the US had killed 6 afghan children in a drone strike. I wonder if this will draw the same condemnation that the taliban has from our mediaahahahahahaa.
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Aug 30, 2021 06:29
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Periphery posted:Yeah, this. There's a very big difference between the rest of the country were the general idea is that 'We accept that long term covid will be in the community, but we are in a situation where we are: a) currently hardly impacted cause we've got no covid or had it controllable; and b) have time to get everyone fully vaxxed so people don't needlessly die" and whatever the gently caress Scomo and Gladys are pushing. Gladys in particular refusing to even acknowledge that her slow and late lockdown was a catastrophic mistake, and pretending that none of it matters because the plan all along has been to get vaccinated and open up anyway, is the most outrageous bit of gaslighting in the whole pandemic
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Aug 30, 2021 06:34
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Seemlar posted:You're saying this a day after he dropped that steaming bit of idiocy about people in NSW stealing your vaccines so they could go on picnics Seems like a pretty reasonable statement from Dan given that's exactly what has happened. NSW begged for more vaccines at the expense of the other states while simultaneously doing gently caress all to stop the spread of covid and announcing additional 'freedoms' for people who are fully vaccinated. From today's news: quote:NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says fully vaccinated people will be given greater freedoms in October as the state records 1,290 new COVID cases and four deaths.
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freebooter posted:Apart from the (incorrect) notion that the people in COVID-free states aren't happy with that state of affairs, I can tell that you're not in Queensland/WA/SA/Tasmania/NT because of the phrase "permanent exiles." They're not "exiled" from anything. They live there. We are the ones who are locked up. They're standing on the outside of the prison bars. 
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Aug 30, 2021 06:45
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Seemlar posted:That's also a pretty long time to have to try and keep up the delusion that the rest of the world is some terrifying post-apocalypse hellscape of death that Covid-zero states are a sanctuary from when anybody with the internet can readily see that's bunk right now. Uhh mate maybe go check the covid threads because if thenrest of the world is not a post apocalyptic hell scape then it will be soon. America is basically snorting lines of covid on one nostril and horse drugs up the other. And I don't mean ketamine.
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Aug 30, 2021 06:46
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This is such thin skinned pettiness. "No, she never called me a bad word. We are bestest of mates." From the man who brought up the fact that he had shat his pants in the Engadine McDonalds live on air, unasked, just to refute it. I cannot fathom how anyone would like, or willingly support this man.
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Aug 30, 2021 07:03
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BrigadierSensible posted:This is such thin skinned pettiness. "No, she never called me a bad word. We are bestest of mates." Can’t wait for him to declare war on one of the G20 because some foreign staffer is overheard calling him a thin skinned snowflake oval office
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Aug 30, 2021 07:06
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I understood Turnbull. I really did. I didn't agree, but I could see how some Liberal or undecided voter could look at him and go yeah let's vote him as Prime Minister. And Howard was a oval office but at least he could appear competent. But Morrison? If not for Abbott doing it years ago I'd have been amazed at what can pass for Prime Minister in this country.
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Aug 30, 2021 07:11
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Phigs posted:I understood Turnbull. I really did. I didn't agree, but I could see how some Liberal or undecided voter could look at him and go yeah let's vote him as Prime Minister. And Howard was a oval office but at least he could appear competent. But Morrison? If not for Abbott doing it years ago I'd have been amazed at what can pass for Prime Minister in this country. I think you owe it to your self not to retroactively rehabilitate Howard or turnbull
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Aug 30, 2021 07:29
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Laserface posted:Uhh mate maybe go check the covid threads because if thenrest of the world is not a post apocalyptic hell scape then it will be soon. America is basically snorting lines of covid on one nostril and horse drugs up the other. And I don't mean ketamine. One of the arguments brought forth for a November election in one of those articles was that scomo wanted (wants?) an election before the reality of what this new world entailed became apparent to the populace. TammyHEH fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Aug 30, 2021 |
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Phigs posted:I understood Turnbull. I really did. I didn't agree, but I could see how some Liberal or undecided voter could look at him and go yeah let's vote him as Prime Minister. And Howard was a oval office but at least he could appear competent. But Morrison? If not for Abbott doing it years ago I'd have been amazed at what can pass for Prime Minister in this country. Abbott was a phenomenal Opposition Leader. Relentless as a rabid feral dog. Constantly getting his head in the papers with such fine policy statements as "NO! Look at her, she's a woman. And worse than that, a Union supporting woman! Everything bad is her fault! No, we won't let you do any of your policies, you filthy socialist woman!" If albo was half the opposition leader that Tony was, ScoMo would be a ruined husk of a man with less than no chance of re-election. Alas, once he became PM, Abbotts true cuntiness really had the chance to shine, and he didn't last a full term but still managed to make himself Minister for women, knight Prince Phillip, and eat multiple onions on TV.
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Tommunist posted:I think you owe it to your self not to retroactively rehabilitate Howard or turnbull Oh no that wasn't a comment on their actual performance or worth as human beings. Just I can at least see how a casual observer could be fooled.
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Aug 30, 2021 07:56
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Tommunist posted:I think you owe it to your self not to retroactively rehabilitate Howard or turnbull It's not really rehabilitation just, understanding what they are - you can picture there being Howard, Turnbull or even Abbott true believers... but can you do the same for Morrison? What does he even do that anybody could look at it and think that's their man?
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Aug 30, 2021 07:57
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Seemlar posted:It's not really rehabilitation just, understanding what they are - you can picture there being Howard, Turnbull or even Abbott true believers... but can you do the same for Morrison? What does he even do that anybody could look at it and think that's their man? I see you are not aware of home brand Hill song supporters
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Aug 30, 2021 07:59
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Tommunist posted:I see you are not aware of home brand Hill song supporters Oh, I kind of discounted his Hillsong circle and was thinking more politically. Those other leaders you can see why someone could think they're good Prime Ministers.
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Aug 30, 2021 08:10
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Seemlar posted:Oh, I kind of discounted his Hillsong circle and was thinking more politically. Those other leaders you can see why someone could think they're good Prime Ministers.
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perepelki posted:the hillsong component is the wildcard in all of this because it makes it likely that somebody here is actively trying to bring on the apocalypse I mean at this point, whomst amongst us
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Seemlar posted:It's not really rehabilitation just, understanding what they are - you can picture there being Howard, Turnbull or even Abbott true believers... but can you do the same for Morrison? What does he even do that anybody could look at it and think that's their man? i have an acquaintance thats exactly a real life version of the person morrison pretends to be. an incurious fuckhead whos entire personality could be simulated by running a bcf catalogue thru a text to speech program
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Seemlar posted:It's not really rehabilitation just, understanding what they are - you can picture there being Howard, Turnbull or even Abbott true believers... but can you do the same for Morrison? What does he even do that anybody could look at it and think that's their man? Plenty of Morrison's support would flow to anybody you shoved into his position. Loads of Australian voters (perhaps most of them) are just voting based on 'right = good economy, less spending, mean but makes hard decisions / left = bad economy, more spending, nice but touchy feely'. This is just baked into how inhabitants of capitalist liberal democracy see the world.
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Tommunist posted:One of the arguments brought forth for a November election in one of those articles was that scomo wanted (wants?) an election before the reality of what this new world entailed became apparent to the populace. They keep saying "live with covid" as if we are going to go back to normal and have the virus. But we aren't. Everything will still be reduced capacity, check ins every where, difficulty crossing borders and travelling abroad. Depending if Gladys the Great has learned her lesson, we may have snap lockdowns that make planning anything beyond a week out risky. Weddings, funerals, milestones won't be the same either. They are selling us on a return to normalcy as a reward for vaccination and that true normalcy isn't going to happen for another year, at least. And that's only if there's not other ultra-murder variants coming along, which given the amount of completely selfish fuckheads refusing the vaccine, is likely. Until I can go to a music festival and bump into dickheads it's not "normal"
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BrigadierSensible posted:Abbott was a phenomenal Opposition Leader. Relentless as a rabid feral dog. Constantly getting his head in the papers with such fine policy statements as "NO! Look at her, she's a woman. And worse than that, a Union supporting woman! Everything bad is her fault! No, we won't let you do any of your policies, you filthy socialist woman!" I haven't even heard Albo do the 'Morrison has questions to answer' routine about all the fuckups in the vaccine rollout. Or getting on every talkback radio spot available banging on about how we need a royal commission in to the government's covid response. It'd be the easiest layup in the world but they don't seem to be taking the chance. If they don't get it ingrained in peoples' minds that it was a fuckup that could've been done so much better they'll probably forget by the time the election rolls around.
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God remember how disappointed we were when Shorten beat Albo the first time? I take it back Bill, I was very wrong.
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