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trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

checkmate, internet leftists. Turns out Tesla is based after all

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jackpot
Aug 31, 2004

First cousin to the Black Rabbit himself. Such was Woundwort's monument...and perhaps it would not have displeased him.<
I bought a 2020 Niro EV EX last night, I like it so far. A few questions:

1) What sort of level 2 home charging solutions should I be considering? I do have someone who can help me install a 220 outlet in my garage, but aside from that I know nothing.

2) I can’t figure out the interior lighting. I don’t mean the Ambient Lighting feature - I’m pretty sure only the Premium gets that - but just the normal backlighting for things like the steering wheel, stereo, A/C, etc. The window controls in the door have a red backlight, but nothing else, which makes me think this might be an electrical issue, unless it’s an weird option in the settings that I haven’t found yet.

cruft
Oct 25, 2007

jackpot posted:

I bought a 2020 Niro EV EX last night, I like it so far. A few questions:

1) What sort of level 2 home charging solutions should I be considering? I do have someone who can help me install a 220 outlet in my garage, but aside from that I know nothing.

I think you're all set, then. You may want to get a second charger to leave in the garage, just for convenience. I personally preferred the look and reduced opportunities to hurt myself with a hardwired charger (ie one that doesn't plug into an outlet) but that seems to be a minority opinion in this thread, at least among people who care enough to express an opinion.

Congratulations!

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal

Cockmaster posted:

I've been thinking about renting a Tesla to see what it's like, and it looks like my only real option for the most part is Turo (AirBnB for cars, it seems). Does anyone have any experience with them? Are they reputable?

I rented a Tesla through Turo for a road trip. It was great. I also rented a Kia Soul EV.

Kunabomber
Oct 1, 2002


Pillbug
https://electrek.co/2021/08/23/ford-doubles-electric-f-150-lightning-production-plan-and-its-still-not-enough/

quote:

Ford’s new plan includes a ramp to 15,000 vehicles in 2022, 55,000 in 2023, and 80,000 in 2024. Ford will then target 160,000 vehicles in 2025 when the second-generation Lightning hits the road, which will be developed on Ford’s new electric-only TE1 platform (as opposed to the current Lightning which uses a modified F-150 platform). We do not yet know if they plan to continue increasing production after 2025 (but they’d better).

:lol:

I think I'm gonna end up just getting the hybrid this year. My current car is starting to poo poo itself

borkencode
Nov 10, 2004
With Ford doing a fairly slow ramp like that, Tesla has a big opportunity if they can quickly scale up produc—- hahahaha almost made it through.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

borkencode posted:

With Ford doing a fairly slow ramp like that, Tesla has a big opportunity if they can quickly scale up produc—- hahahaha almost made it through.

even if Tesla scales, and even if 95% of truck buyers are just buying an image way more than a tool with a purpose, the F150 and Cybertruck are still chasing two very different markets

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Kunabomber posted:


I think I'm gonna end up just getting the hybrid this year

How much you willing to pay over MSRP

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Kunabomber posted:

https://electrek.co/2021/08/23/ford-doubles-electric-f-150-lightning-production-plan-and-its-still-not-enough/

:lol:

I think I'm gonna end up just getting the hybrid this year. My current car is starting to poo poo itself

So their big ramp up in production means they'll be able to cover all reservations in... four years??? lmao what the hell you have 120k people showing clear interest and your big ramp up is to maybe hit that number in 3 years instead of 5?

Kunabomber
Oct 1, 2002


Pillbug

bird with big dick posted:

How much you willing to pay over MSRP

$0 because an F150 is a commodity, not a status symbol

I spent the last 6 years driving a Ford focus, I can do it again

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Kunabomber posted:

$0 because an F150 is a commodity, not a status symbol

I spent the last 6 years driving a Ford focus, I can do it again

Get a FiST while they’re around/not entirely rusted out or crashed, I LOOOOOOOVE mine.

Westy543
Apr 18, 2013

GINYU FORCE RULES



Elon was right about being a socialist

borkencode
Nov 10, 2004
I was curious how Ford's ramp compared to the rollout of the Model 3, and looked up how that ramp actually went. The first 30 production deliveries occurred on July 28 2017, according to Bloomberg they hit 15,000 deliveries by April 2018 and were at 50,000 delivered by the anniversary. So all joking aside even if they follow the poor ramp up of the 3 they might handily be beating Ford.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

borkencode posted:

I was curious how Ford's ramp compared to the rollout of the Model 3, and looked up how that ramp actually went. The first 30 production deliveries occurred on July 28 2017, according to Bloomberg they hit 15,000 deliveries by April 2018 and were at 50,000 delivered by the anniversary. So all joking aside even if they follow the poor ramp up of the 3 they might handily be beating Ford.

gotta hedge their bets in case Trump wins in 2024 and cancels the whole electric party

Kunabomber
Oct 1, 2002


Pillbug
The F150 EV wasn't just for the EV part and the DIY uses I have for it - it's also to replace the generator I have sitting in my house right now as a hedge against the state of Texas actively trying to kill me by cutting off my power. With the state of EV production as reported and the inevitable dealer markups I might as well use my Costco membership to get a discounted hybrid and hope my DCT won't completely poo poo itself in the next 6 months

Indiana_Krom
Jun 18, 2007
Net Slacker

borkencode posted:

With Ford doing a fairly slow ramp like that, Tesla has a big opportunity if they can quickly scale up produc—- hahahaha almost made it through.
Two Weeks™

Ok Comboomer posted:

even if Tesla scales, and even if 95% of truck buyers are just buying an image way more than a tool with a purpose, the F150 and Cybertruck are still chasing two very different markets

Yeah, if we ignore how the cybertruck looks, it should do almost everything the F150 Lightning can do. But most people buying an F150 are buying it because of how it looks instead of what it can do, and a cybertruck is not a look these people want to have.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Indiana_Krom posted:

Two Weeks™

Yeah, if we ignore how the cybertruck looks, it should do almost everything the F150 Lightning can do. But most people buying an F150 are buying it because of how it looks instead of what it can do, and a cybertruck is not a look these people want to have.

that said, I am actually legit very excited to see something that looks like the Cybertruck becoming somewhat commonplace on US roads

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Ok Comboomer posted:

that said, I am actually legit very excited to see something that looks like the Cybertruck becoming somewhat commonplace on US roads

As a traffic engineer, I sure hope not. Ok maybe less the look and more about the weight

Speleothing
May 6, 2008

Spare batteries are pretty key.
I looked at the Jeep 4xe recently and they were going for 15-20k over msrp and I noped right out of there.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

As far as I know the factory where the Cybertruck is being built is still under construction and the batteries required to hit the listed specs are still not able to be produced in sufficient quantities.

Indiana_Krom
Jun 18, 2007
Net Slacker

YOLOsubmarine posted:

As far as I know the factory where the Cybertruck is being built is still under construction and the batteries required to hit the listed specs are still not able to be produced in sufficient quantities.

Same, I haven't seen anything different. The 4680 cells are still a no-show. Plaid+ wasn't canceled because nobody "needed" that much power/range, it was canceled because the 4680 production lines and structural pack to make it possible do not exist. (There might be single digits Plaid+ hardware prototypes in existence, but nothing suitable for mass production.) I believe it is a issue that will be solved eventually and Tesla will at some point get 4680 cell production to ramp up to astronomical levels, but I wouldn't trust any ETAs I see here or anywhere else until they actually get a proper mass production line up to speed/yield.

Russian Bear
Dec 26, 2007


I think I've seen half a dozen ID4 already, seems like the second most popular EV on the road after tesla.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Russian Bear posted:

I think I've seen half a dozen ID4 already, seems like the second most popular EV on the road after tesla.

Yeah they're suddenly everywhere (also I'm definitely just noticing them more now that I own one).

jackpot
Aug 31, 2004

First cousin to the Black Rabbit himself. Such was Woundwort's monument...and perhaps it would not have displeased him.<

cruft posted:

I personally preferred the look and reduced opportunities to hurt myself with a hardwired charger (ie one that doesn't plug into an outlet) but that seems to be a minority opinion in this thread, at least among people who care enough to express an opinion.

Congratulations!
Thanks! I was liking the plug-in option because it's transportable, but it's not like I'm going a lot of places anyway. I'm just trying to read a lot because I'm at square one, "what is a volt?" kind of stuff. If anyone has any good EV charging 101 links I'll take em.

Quick notes on 2020 Niro: don't mind the spaceship sound, but the reverse beep is unforgivable.

jackpot fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Aug 30, 2021

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

I can’t believe the Mach-e GT review embargo still hasn’t been lifted but I think this week is when they’re going to start getting delivered to customers in serious numbers so maybe tomorrow? Really want to see some 0-60 and 1/4 numbers and reviews of the magneride suspension.

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal

Pham Nuwen posted:

Yeah they're suddenly everywhere (also I'm definitely just noticing them more now that I own one).

I don't think I've seen one that isn't black yet.

Kunabomber
Oct 1, 2002


Pillbug

Ok Comboomer posted:

Get a FiST while they’re around/not entirely rusted out or crashed, I LOOOOOOOVE mine.

lol, if it comes down to it, I would probably spend the money to fix the clutch on this car and keep driving it.

jackpot
Aug 31, 2004

First cousin to the Black Rabbit himself. Such was Woundwort's monument...and perhaps it would not have displeased him.<
So this is interesting: I bought my Niro on Saturday, only to find out when I got home that it's missing the EVSE. No big deal - it was late, we were literally the last people in the building, everyone (including us) wanted to just go home. Easy to forget. So I call yesterday and they say they'll have someone contact me early this morning about getting one out to me. But just now I found a Slack thread about local EV charging (our company has lots of charging stations in the parking decks) and see a guy bitching about ...his new Nissan Leaf missing its EVSE. They told him it would be a quick order, but long story short it took three weeks for them to get him an OEM charger.

He has a Leaf and I have Kia, but the same company owns both dealerships. I'm wondering if I go out to craigslist will I find a bunch of EVSEs for sale? 🤔

jackpot fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Aug 30, 2021

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal
Is the chip shortage affecting EVSEs?

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

This thing



is just ridiculous.


I love it.

Tesla has the car buying process that everyone should strive towards, we weren't in the dealership for more than 15 minutes from the time we walked in to the time I was driving it off the lot. Went straight from picking up to the tint place and have a ceramic coat scheduled for tomorrow. Everyone I took for a ride in it just laughs at the stupid acceleration lol

cruft
Oct 25, 2007

mattfl posted:

This thing



is just ridiculous.


I love it.

Tesla has the car buying process that everyone should strive towards, we weren't in the dealership for more than 15 minutes from the time we walked in to the time I was driving it off the lot. Went straight from picking up to the tint place and have a ceramic coat scheduled for tomorrow. Everyone I took for a ride in it just laughs at the stupid acceleration lol

Congratulations! Did it come with an EVSE?

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

cruft posted:

Congratulations! Did it come with an EVSE?

It came with the standard Tesla charger. Installed a 14-50 NEMA plug in my garage

Nfcknblvbl
Jul 15, 2002

https://twitter.com/RJScaringe/status/1432088762922807302

cruft
Oct 25, 2007


It's a good thing they went so slowly, otherwise they'd kick water up into the carbeurator and be sorry out of luck!

Indiana_Krom
Jun 18, 2007
Net Slacker

mattfl posted:

This thing



is just ridiculous.


I love it.

Tesla has the car buying process that everyone should strive towards, we weren't in the dealership for more than 15 minutes from the time we walked in to the time I was driving it off the lot. Went straight from picking up to the tint place and have a ceramic coat scheduled for tomorrow. Everyone I took for a ride in it just laughs at the stupid acceleration lol

Congratulations! Welcome to "Team Blue". :hf:

Yes, I remember buying my first car from a Nissan dealer, it took about three hours, a lot of busy forms with tons of fine print to sign, and multiple different people we had to go back and forth with. Picking up my Model 3 Performance was so different, I show up, look over the car a bit, sign exactly two pieces of paper and then "It is yours, you can go whenever you are ready. Enjoy!". It took me longer to eat a snack then configure all my preferences/logins/phone key and accessories in the car than it did to handle all the dealership stuff. Also same reaction of everyone just laughing at the stupid acceleration.

Now granted, there are also a bunch of busy documents you go through with Tesla as well, the difference is you handle pretty much all of them online days before the delivery at your own pace and they don't all show up at once.

Sonic Dude
May 6, 2009

mattfl posted:

This thing



is just ridiculous.


I love it.

Tesla has the car buying process that everyone should strive towards, we weren't in the dealership for more than 15 minutes from the time we walked in to the time I was driving it off the lot. Went straight from picking up to the tint place and have a ceramic coat scheduled for tomorrow. Everyone I took for a ride in it just laughs at the stupid acceleration lol

Congrats! I got the long range (also blue) and it has slightly-less-but-still-stupid acceleration for a crossover. How was the build quality?

I’m with you on the delivery experience. I spent ~4 hours at the dealership the last time I bought a car, and was in and out of the Tesla “store” in about 20 minutes. I still think they need to come up with a non-self-service method of handling the order/EDD watching/loan application/etc., if they want to expand from the “fairly technically literate” demographic to a wider market.

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

Sonic Dude posted:

Congrats! I got the long range (also blue) and it has slightly-less-but-still-stupid acceleration for a crossover. How was the build quality?

I’m with you on the delivery experience. I spent ~4 hours at the dealership the last time I bought a car, and was in and out of the Tesla “store” in about 20 minutes. I still think they need to come up with a non-self-service method of handling the order/EDD watching/loan application/etc., if they want to expand from the “fairly technically literate” demographic to a wider market.

I have not noticed any build quality issues so far.

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

Indiana_Krom posted:

Congratulations! Welcome to "Team Blue". :hf:

Yes, I remember buying my first car from a Nissan dealer, it took about three hours, a lot of busy forms with tons of fine print to sign, and multiple different people we had to go back and forth with. Picking up my Model 3 Performance was so different, I show up, look over the car a bit, sign exactly two pieces of paper and then "It is yours, you can go whenever you are ready. Enjoy!". It took me longer to eat a snack then configure all my preferences/logins/phone key and accessories in the car than it did to handle all the dealership stuff. Also same reaction of everyone just laughing at the stupid acceleration.

Now granted, there are also a bunch of busy documents you go through with Tesla as well, the difference is you handle pretty much all of them online days before the delivery at your own pace and they don't all show up at once.

Ya but even then, all the docs are digital so it's just a few mouse clicks to sign them.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

mattfl posted:

This thing



is just ridiculous.


I love it.

Tesla has the car buying process that everyone should strive towards, we weren't in the dealership for more than 15 minutes from the time we walked in to the time I was driving it off the lot. Went straight from picking up to the tint place and have a ceramic coat scheduled for tomorrow. Everyone I took for a ride in it just laughs at the stupid acceleration lol

now post a thread about it

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CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

Ok Comboomer posted:

now post a thread about it

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