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Beartaco posted:Hi, I'm looking for a podcast or youtube series that specifically goes through the volumes of Das Kapital for a layman audience, that is, assuming no prior academic experience and explaining things like abstractions and modes of production from the very basic definitions upwards. PSL just did a new series that I’ve heard good things about. I haven’t listened to it though. https://liberationschool.org/reading-capital-with-comrades-podcast/
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Centrist Committee posted:PSL just did a new series that I’ve heard good things about. I haven’t listened to it though. https://liberationschool.org/reading-capital-with-comrades-podcast/ PSL sounded interesting to me after DSA and SA but they seem to largely be academics with a terfy vibe and tiny (minuscule) actions with a lot of emphasis on stuff like boycotting Starbucks. to their credit they care more about anti imperialism than others, especially for a Trotskyist organization, but it all seems kind of a pointless enterprise. their most visible actions lately are in support of Gavin Newsom against the recall.
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Sep 2, 2021 18:10
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mawarannahr posted:PSL sounded interesting to me after DSA and SA but they seem to largely be academics with a terfy vibe and tiny (minuscule) actions with a lot of emphasis on stuff like boycotting Starbucks. to their credit they care more about anti imperialism than others, especially for a Trotskyist organization, but it all seems kind of a pointless enterprise. against the recall in total or against recalling Newsom specifically? I read that the recall election is gonna cost like a quarter billion dollars which seems like a pretty good reason to be against it, but agitating on behalf of Newsom winning seems braindead
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Sep 2, 2021 18:19
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mawarannahr posted:it all seems kind of a pointless enterprise. yeah that's the global northern left as far as I can tell
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Sep 2, 2021 18:26
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PSL aren't a trotskyist org iirc, a proper reduction of their views is probably closer to Stalinist but they aren't Stalinists either lol. My local chapter is anti-revisionist and pretty sympathetic towards the the modern CPC. I think they're the only left org in my area that view China as a legitimate socialist project
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Sep 2, 2021 19:35
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indigi posted:against the recall in total or against recalling Newsom specifically? I read that the recall election is gonna cost like a quarter billion dollars which seems like a pretty good reason to be against it, but agitating on behalf of Newsom winning seems braindead https://twitter.com/PSLSanDiego/status/1430011047436455937?s=20 https://www.liberationnews.org/psl-statement-on-california-recall-election/?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true Gorman Thomas posted:PSL aren't a trotskyist org iirc, a proper reduction of their views is probably closer to Stalinist but they aren't Stalinists either lok. My local chapter is anti-revisionist and pretty sympathetic towards the the modern CPC. I think they're the only left org in my area that view China as a legitimate socialist project Trotskyist by nature since its roots in the SWP, but possibly nurtured out of it by haphazard ideology
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Sep 2, 2021 19:44
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mawarannahr posted:PSL sounded interesting to me after DSA and SA but they seem to largely be academics with a terfy vibe and tiny (minuscule) actions with a lot of emphasis on stuff like boycotting Starbucks. to their credit they care more about anti imperialism than others, especially for a Trotskyist organization, but it all seems kind of a pointless enterprise. Edit: for that matter the DSA International Committee has become much more ML as well regardless of what the fools at Jacobin espouse. Always hope to move things in the right direction. strange feelings re Daisy has issued a correction as of 20:27 on Sep 2, 2021 |
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Sep 2, 2021 20:25
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strange feelings re Daisy posted:the DSA International Committee the what e: oh the dsa committee on US international relations?
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Sep 2, 2021 21:17
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the DSA international committee kicks rear end and got to send some people to visit venezuela and meet maduro earlier in the year
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Sep 2, 2021 22:02
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how does a Chinese citizen go about joining the communist party?
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Sep 2, 2021 22:06
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They have to host a good party of their own. Drinks, nibbles, things like that.
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Sep 2, 2021 22:22
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you have to take the silt strider to Shanghai where the local guild leader will give you a mission to bring ten capitalist roader tails, which you can then craft into a mao suit if you want. note that the suit cannot be enchanted.
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Sep 2, 2021 22:57
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you’re fibbing
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Sep 2, 2021 23:03
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They have to write a poem about trains.
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Sep 2, 2021 23:09
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mawarannahr posted:you have to take the silt strider to Shanghai where the local guild leader will give you a mission to bring ten capitalist roader tails, which you can then craft into a mao suit if you want. note that the suit cannot be enchanted.
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Sep 2, 2021 23:19
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mawarannahr posted:PSL sounded interesting to me after DSA and SA but they seem to largely be academics with a terfy vibe and tiny (minuscule) actions with a lot of emphasis on stuff like boycotting Starbucks. to their credit they care more about anti imperialism than others, especially for a Trotskyist organization, but it all seems kind of a pointless enterprise. I'm a PSL member, there's a lot of local action more than national so ymmv but I haven't seen any terf stuff. And Trotskyist is not quite true, the party doesn't have very much in common with either the SWP or March anymore. but that's a pretty old divide anyways. We have good educational content and in general I like the party. It's the only one around where I am that isn't libified. SSJ_naruto_2003 has issued a correction as of 08:16 on Sep 3, 2021 |
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Sep 3, 2021 08:14
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caught it literally seconds before the account went protected 
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Sep 3, 2021 12:46
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this new trend of very online zoomer socdems is really puzzling to me maybe this is what you get when you let people think matt bruenig has good ideas e: that's a non sequitur really, these are more like a socdem evolution of hammer & sickle display name twitter
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Sep 3, 2021 12:54
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yeah the zoomers are reading Matt breunig for sure. come on lol
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Sep 3, 2021 12:57
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definitely couldn't be kids coming of age and treating Marxism like a boutique identity, the same way they've been raised to interact with everything else. Although they could be sincere about Bauer's based antisemitism.
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Sep 3, 2021 13:17
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a Loving Dog posted:yeah the zoomers are reading Matt breunig for sure. come on lol yeah i came to that conclusion about my own idiocy lol
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Sep 3, 2021 13:21
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it's the same song and dance that drove people to become "anarchists", "libertarian socialists", "social democrats", "democratic socialists", etc. - they've been propagandized to dislike and/or fear the association with the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China, so they come up with a boutique socialism that lets them claim to be socialists while also rejecting ties to "genocidaires"
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Sep 3, 2021 13:29
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that and contaminating liberal moralism, in being appealed by a "clean" sense of leftism. not exactly news though, but definitely more intensive nowadays in the internet due to Sanders/AOC? (something funny imho: the lamb socialist - Jeremy Corbyn - seems to have inspired a good bunch of young people involved there to say gently caress off to timid socialism. at least in my perception) it's very appealing to a certain demographic that finds itself in opposition to neoliberalism and critical of the current structure but trapped within its moral constraints, maybe because of a comfortable enough life, and so they go on endorsing things like repudiation of violence and denial of use of political power edit: and this gradenko_2000 posted:it's the same song and dance that drove people to become "anarchists", "libertarian socialists", "social democrats", "democratic socialists", etc. - they've been propagandized to dislike and/or fear the association with the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China, so they come up with a boutique socialism that lets them claim to be socialists while also rejecting ties to "genocidaires"
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Sep 3, 2021 13:37
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in countries with the simmering remnants of social democratic parties, there's still some appeal to become a socdem. it's mostly university graduates who are either the technocrats of the future, cynical social climbers, or absolute dullards who have zero insight into socialism or their own class position and sort of just ended up being socdem. point is that all these little freaks also interact with culture in the same way as we do - everyone's online to some degree these days. i've met seniors with poster's brain. but while most of the online people with some appeal are either far left or far right, everyone in between also wants to get in on that action and the only way they know how is to just copy what works and insert their own bad ideology. so that's how you get online socdems trying to hype bernstein, but also how you get a lot of tradcaths, the neolibs with the little globe in their twitter bio, etc. none of it has any mass appeal tho
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Sep 3, 2021 13:53
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in no small part because very online socdems scrub their online presence once they reach the socdem goal: getting a high paying, respectable job either in a think tank or in an ngo or something. there's no real staying power there.
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Sep 3, 2021 13:55
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also because they are weak posters
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Sep 3, 2021 13:55
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a Loving Dog posted:yeah the zoomers are reading Matt breunig for sure. come on lol It's really amazing how Matt got his national profile by arguing with Neera on twitter lmao.
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Sep 3, 2021 14:12
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indigi posted:how does a Chinese citizen go about joining the communist party? dunno about being a standard party member but to get into a position of responsibility: https://twitter.com/thinking_panda/status/1305785448812351493
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Sep 3, 2021 18:02
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gradenko_2000 posted:caught it literally seconds before the account went protected idk who any of those German dudes are, why are they bad AnimeIsTrash posted:It's really amazing how Matt got his national profile by arguing with Neera on twitter lmao. it’s amazing how people flock to him and his wife’s dumb bullshit a recent example that pissed me off: https://twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/1433511883424796677?s=20 cause commercials on tv radio podcasts social media hosted by beloved celebrities, billboards and posters up everywhere, making it free, platforming researchers and epidemiologists, publicizing efficacy data and hospitalization/death rates of vax vs not, and in many places just straight up bribing people with cash and prizes (provided by both state/local governments and major employers) doesn’t count as an “honest persuasion effort” for some reason. mila kunis posted:dunno about being a standard party member but to get into a position of responsibility: thanks this is pretty informative
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Sep 3, 2021 18:09
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I finished Capital Vol 1 last night. It was a tough book, and now I'm weighing diving right into Vol 2 or stepping back and reading something else for a while. I think I understand Marx's critique of capitalism pretty well now though and I'm impressed at how easily it can be applied to modern capitalism more than a century later. He really nailed down the soul of global capitalism when it was still in its infancy. I do wish he would have said more about imperialism and colonialism though
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Sep 3, 2021 18:22
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indigi posted:it’s amazing how people flock to him and his wife’s dumb bullshit why did that piss you off? if just reading that angers or confuses you then i think you really should reconsider the approach to anti-vaxxers because all the poo poo you're talking about clearly has not worked
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Sep 3, 2021 18:23
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Goast posted:why did that piss you off? right lol, the entire piece is advocating talking to people as people so as to convince them to get the vaccine. i don't see how that's bad or why it would piss someone off
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Sep 3, 2021 18:27
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indigi posted:idk who any of those German dudes are, why are they bad They're what Lenin and the Bolsheviks called the opportunists. Kautsky for example showed his true colors when he (and the rest of his socialist party) came out in favor of WWI, supporting Germany. He was also a bitter critic of the Soviet Union
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Sep 3, 2021 18:29
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Goast posted:why did that piss you off? a Loving Dog posted:right lol, the entire piece is advocating talking to people as people so as to convince them to get the vaccine. i don't see how that's bad or why it would piss someone off it not working doesn’t mean there isn’t an ongoing honest persuasion effort lol. the deliberate framing of outreach efforts as “dishonest” is faux-populist nonsense on the level of “actually ivermectin is how they treat covid in the third world  ”
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Sep 3, 2021 18:29
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indigi posted:it not working doesn’t mean there isn’t an ongoing honest persuasion effort lol. the deliberate framing of outreach efforts as “dishonest” is faux-populist nonsense on the level of “actually ivermectin is how they treat covid in the third world it is dishonest because everything you listed as an honest effort is the exact kind of thing an anti-vaxxer is suspicious of and rather than talking to them about that you make jokes about people killing themselves with horse dewormer because they misinterpreted early covid treatment studies
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Sep 3, 2021 18:31
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i also love that you have enough left-liberal ideological support for populism not to make it a dirty word but still put faux in front to use it as an insult against those who say you should talk to the people you whine about
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Sep 3, 2021 18:34
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Red and Black posted:They're what Lenin and the Bolsheviks called the opportunists. Kautsky for example showed his true colors when he (and the rest of his socialist party) came out in favor of WWI, supporting Germany. He was also a bitter critic of the Soviet Union oh lol thanks
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Sep 3, 2021 18:36
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Goast posted:it is dishonest because everything you listed as an honest effort is the exact kind of thing an anti-vaxxer is suspicious of the anti-vaxxer’s interpretation of it has no bearing on whether the vaccine outreach is being undertaken in good faith. What are you talking about. people and institutions have made changes to their strategy multiple times so far, it hasn’t worked across the board yet (obviously, even though vaccinations continue) but the effort is there. writing all that off as “dishonest” is truly asinine
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Sep 3, 2021 18:38
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indigi posted:the anti-vaxxer’s interpretation of it has no bearing on whether the vaccine outreach is being undertaken in good faith. What are you talking about. people and institutions have made changes to their strategy multiple times so far, it hasn’t worked across the board yet (obviously, even though vaccinations continue) but the effort is there. writing all that off as “dishonest” is truly asinine the anti-vaxxer's interpretation is entirely relevent and pro-vaxxers unwillingness to even talk to them is based on "hurrrr, dumb hicks dont trust vaccine don't you watch the news here take some money", pretending otherwise is dishonest and you should shut the gently caress up
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Sep 3, 2021 18:42
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Goast posted:pro-vaxxers unwillingness to even talk to them is based on "hurrrr, dumb hicks dont trust vaccine don't you watch the news here take some money" you’re fabricating an entire reality from a couple of bluecheck tweets, but I suppose if you only exist online it does seem like real life lol
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Sep 3, 2021 18:45
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