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Defenestrategy posted:I think if you honestly want to stop people from signing up for a grinder, make JROTC required in the sophmore year. A year of wearing uncomfortable rear end dress clothes, while intermittently being required to wear even more uncomfortable full dress uniform which must be maintained or else, while getting yelled at by some 17 year old who thinks they're hot poo poo because they have an extra stripe on their cosplay, JROTC is sad, we made fun of them in marching band. How can you have trouble marching in a block, it’s like the easiest thing in the world!
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JROTC is one of those weird things where even though I grew up in a mix of the conservative south and the conservative midwest, the latter of which had a "Wall of Heroes" bulletin board dedicated to all the high school graduates who were military, police, or firefighters, I had never heard of JROTC until I was in ROTC. I thought people were talking about JRTC. When I finally had to go assist with a JROTC event as an LT, I was just kind of amazed, because you get nothing out of it, but it looks like it sucks, and you look like dorks.
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shame on an IGA posted:tldr: Glenn Greenwald signs his DMs Goddamn what a loser. Glenn is such a piece of poo poo and this couldn’t be happening to a more wonderful Putin and Trump simp. Also after reading some of the posts here I should constantly thank me Dad for doing everything he could to dissuade me from joining the military (and the marines specifically both before and after 9/11) or becoming a cop. Goddamn he saved my rear end, along with potential people who’d be stuck serving with me. lol Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Sep 4, 2021 |
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I had never heard of Sea Cadets until I got to my first squadron and was told that we sponsored a unit. It's like military Boy Scouts and there's something about it that I find really unsettling and creepy. I know kids like to play soldier and GI Joes are a staple of many a childhood, but something organized and endorsed to that degree gives off some really unpleasant indoctrination vibes. I mean, I'm just a nerd that rides in an airplane and the furthest thing from a steely eyed killer, but the military is fundamentally about doing some really unpleasant things to other people and it weirded me out to see a bunch of middle schoolers excitedly and uncritically glorifying that. But I never had any exposure to JROTC or ROTC growing up, and other people were like "oh yeah, Sea Cadets, it's a thing" very nonchalantly. I think my high school may have had a recruiter come set up a table once or twice, and my college shut down the ROTC program during Vietnam and never looked back.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:I had never heard of Sea Cadets until I got to my first squadron and was told that we sponsored a unit. It's like military Boy Scouts and there's something about it that I find really unsettling and creepy. I know kids like to play soldier and GI Joes are a staple of many a childhood, but something organized and endorsed to that degree gives off some really unpleasant indoctrination vibes. I mean, I'm just a nerd that rides in an airplane and the furthest thing from a steely eyed killer, but the military is fundamentally about doing some really unpleasant things to other people and it weirded me out to see a bunch of middle schoolers excitedly and uncritically glorifying that. But I never had any exposure to JROTC or ROTC growing up, and other people were like "oh yeah, Sea Cadets, it's a thing" very nonchalantly. Wait--is this separate from the Sea Scouts?
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Sep 4, 2021 23:52
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Madurai posted:Wait--is this separate from the Sea Scouts? I guess so? I had never heard of Sea Scouts either, but Google seems to suggest they're different things. Sea Scouts seems more like a Coast Guard to the Sea Cadet's Navy. https://www.seacadets.org/ https://seascout.org/
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Sea Cadets sounds like it would be part of something like Sea Org.
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Sep 4, 2021 23:59
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Wingnut Ninja posted:I guess so? I had never heard of Sea Scouts either, but Google seems to suggest they're different things. Sea Scouts seems more like a Coast Guard to the Sea Cadet's Navy. Do they “help” with education and rescues like civil air patrol? A coast guard auxiliary that’s basically dedicated to boating safety stuff seems very reasonable.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:It's like military Boy Scouts and there's something about it that I find really unsettling and creepy. That's p much boy scouts lol
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Madurai posted:Wait--is this separate from the Sea Scouts? Yes. 100%. Sea Cadets is a para military training group for a straight pipeline into undesignated seamen. It's literally just marching around and that's about it. Sea Scouts is much more safety at sea oriented and is more likely to steer people to merchant marine or coast guard. Sea Scouts sometimes take Sea Cadets with them on long cruises to show them how a small ship is run but Sea Cadets never have their own ships. I grew up in Sea Scouts and we took their ding-dongs with us from time to time and it was always a pain. hobbesmaster posted:Do they “help” with education and rescues like civil air patrol? A coast guard auxiliary that’s basically dedicated to boating safety stuff seems very reasonable. lol hell no all they do is try to teach them to march. even that the sea scouts did better because it was for fun during a competition and not the only thing we did. This was my ship over 20 years ago still going strong. We cruised it up and down from SF to San Diego with 3 adults and 11 kids. https://www.sssgryphon.org/ Crab Dad fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Sep 5, 2021 |
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My reserve unit location hosted sea cadets and the dudes in charge of them were always thrilled and flattered when a confused junior enlisted marine saluted the scout master guys (they had pseudo Navy uniforms with lots of shiny stuff on their collars). Hated them. And yeah what level of military brain do you need to be on to be happy that your tiny kids are dressing up in take military uniforms and hanging out at a military installation on weekends.
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Best Friends posted:My reserve unit location hosted sea cadets and the dudes in charge of them were always thrilled and flattered when a confused junior enlisted marine saluted the scout master guys (they had pseudo Navy uniforms with lots of shiny stuff on their collars). Hated them. And yeah what level of military brain do you need to be on to be happy that your tiny kids are dressing up in take military uniforms and hanging out at a military installation on weekends. the middle class bought in hard to the decades of propaganda about the US and fully believe that pushing their kids towards the military is a positive
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Crab Dad posted:Yes. 100%. Sea scouts sounds like a cool program at least?
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More Glenn Greenwald https://twitter.com/SAMOYEDCORE/status/1433675115078688772
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Proud Christian Mom posted:the middle class bought in hard to the decades of propaganda about the US and fully believe that pushing their kids towards the military is a positive Oh you better believe it. Backed up by a prevailing culture that considers them beyond reproach or censure and borderline sacred (so long as they're the right kind of troop) and you've got a recipe for legacy enlistments
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hobbesmaster posted:Sea scouts sounds like a cool program at least? It's loving awesome. Giving kids ownership on a big vessel and the pride of being part of a team moving a big ship safely was tons of fun. Also our big competitions had upwards of 500 kids partaking from all the surrounding states. I actually met my wife in the program too. 100% than boy scouts at the time because I hate sleeping on the ground and it was coed (of course normal scouts is now too but this wasnt the case 30 years ago). Most of my best teen memories are related to Sea Scouts as opposed to High School.
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Is that where you ate all that crab?
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Kesper North posted:Is that where you ate all that crab? Being co-ed it sounds more like where you get crabs, then eating crabs. J/k
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MazelTovCocktail posted:Being co-ed it sounds more like where you get crabs, then eating crabs. Not wrong. Did all of my firsts with ladies at scouts. Whole lot of places to hide on ships.
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Crab Dad posted:Not wrong. Did all of my firsts with ladies at scouts. Whole lot of places to hide on ships. 
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I enjoyed Boy Scouts as a kid and discovered weed. Made it all the way up to Life Scout before realizing that to make Eagle was waaay too much work and girls were cooler. I think I would have preferred to be a Sea Scout, tho.
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Kesper North posted:Is that where you ate all that crab? You have no idea how little this narrows it down with him.
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You can eat crab in the open on boats it's encouraged
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Crab Dad posted:Not wrong. Did all of my firsts with ladies at scouts. Whole lot of places to hide on ships. Crab Chad.
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hobbesmaster posted:Sea scouts sounds like a cool program at least? They would come stay on our training ship every now and then in school. Looked pretty harmless.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Crab Chad.
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Just started With The Old Breed thanks to reading a GIP recommendation. Only ten pages in and I’m hooked, the writing style and voice is excellent and engaging.
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hobbesmaster posted:JROTC is sad, we made fun of them in marching band. How can you have trouble marching in a block, it’s like the easiest thing in the world! School i did 6-10 at had mandatory jrotc for everyone in highschool. They have a drill competition of freshman every year. They would take us out of gym and other classes for this poo poo. Hell they just got sued to let in girls in the last 3-5 years. Goddamn weirdo catholic military schools
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The sea cadets had some poo poo one weekend at Corry Station in Pensacola. I woke my dumb boot rear end up on Saturday to go get some biscuits and gravy at like 7am and it's making GBS threads rain. Open the barracks room door and there are a bunch of like 10 year olds doing push-ups in the wet rainy sand. I chuckled pretty good because the navy never asks me to do wet rainy push-ups. Sea cadets extra dumb
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Carteret posted:I enjoyed Boy Scouts as a kid and discovered weed. Made it all the way up to Life Scout before realizing that to make Eagle was waaay too much work and girls were cooler. I think I would have preferred to be a Sea Scout, tho. I did Boy Scouts long enough to eventually become an Eagle Scout and I had a lot of fun in the program. Did a ton of outdoors poo poo that I would have never had the opportunity to do without Boy Scouts. My Troop didn't have any of the weird religious aspects they are frequently stereotyped as, it was pretty much just a facilitator for various camping activities. If the Troops out here in WA are anything like the one I grew up with I would definitely encourage any future sons or daughters I might have to try it out, it was one of the most positive experiences I had as a kid growing up.
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mlmp08 posted:When I finally had to go assist with a JROTC event as an LT, I was just kind of amazed, because you get nothing out of it, but it looks like it sucks, and you look like dorks. idk about the other US mil branches, but the Air Force provides (or used to provide?) accelerated rank to JROTC people who had reached certain milestones in high school. E-2 out of basic training, if memory servers. One of the dudes I went through basic and tech school with really lorded it over us because he put on Amn a couple months before the rest of us, while we were still slick sleeves. He got real real mad when he realized that all of us non-JROTC plebs would still test for E-5 at the exact same time he did. Even angrier when a bunch of us made rank on the first try and he didn't. If I cared more, I'd look him up to see if he's still in. Def the kind of person who would build his life around being a petty tyrant and messing with the junior Airmen.
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The only thing I thank my lovely civilian recruiter for (2002 was weird, man) was ensure that we got all the boxes ticked to go to basic as an E3 and knocking 10 months off of my 8 year obligation with DEP. If I recall correctly, it was doing pre-basic meetups and PT, and "referring" aka having a guy I knew who was already going to enlist say I told him he should. Pretty sure they chained like 6 of us so we all got that dosh. Jokes on us, E4 was(?) based on time in service so we got promoted with everyone else lol
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Arc Light posted:idk about the other US mil branches, but the Air Force provides (or used to provide?) accelerated rank to JROTC people who had reached certain milestones in high school. E-2 out of basic training, if memory servers. There was something like that with the army jrotc i went through. I thought it was if you went jrotc rotc then joined you recieved a step up on the people who only did rotc but i was in like 8th grade when they mentioned that and could be 100% wrong. Or they could have been changeling their inner recruiter. We only had 1 retired ltc the other 4 were all retired first sargeants Stravag fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Sep 5, 2021 |
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Stravag posted:There was something like that with the army jrotc i went through. I thought it was if you went jrotc rotc then joined you attested a step up on the people who only did rotc but i was in like 8th grade when they mentioned that and could be 100% wrong. I'm fairly sure that sea scout "quartermasters" (same as eagle) got push button E3 at the end of Coast Guard boot camp. Possibly navy it's been a long time since that was remotely relevant to me.
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Crab Dad posted:I'm fairly sure that sea scout "quartermasters" (same as eagle) got push button E3 at the end of Coast Guard boot camp. Possibly navy it's been a long time since that was remotely relevant to me. It's an E-3 advancement for Quartermaster or an E-2 for the Able rank (Life scout equivalent).
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Blind Rasputin posted:I was listening to some random podcast and the guy the host was interviewing was talking about covid and then lets out, “isn’t it funny how the flu season only starts AFTER they start vaccinating people?” I turned it off couldn’t believe my ears. Winter only starts after the facilities people turn on the steam to the radiators. Wake up, sheeple!
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Untagged posted:It's an E-3 advancement for Quartermaster or an E-2 for the Able rank (Life scout equivalent). Oh that's good. So I suppose if you want to have no life during high school you can at least make a few extra dollars once you are in the service. I'd rather my child get a two year degree in three years. gently caress up a bunch in college but still manage the AA/AS then go in. Simply too much can go wrong at 18-21.
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Mustang posted:I did Boy Scouts long enough to eventually become an Eagle Scout and I had a lot of fun in the program. Did a ton of outdoors poo poo that I would have never had the opportunity to do without Boy Scouts. My Troop didn't have any of the weird religious aspects they are frequently stereotyped as, it was pretty much just a facilitator for various camping activities. This and same. I was part of a really well run troop where the scouts did all the leadership and made all the decisions and the adults.. just were in the background somewhere running the money and ensuring we didn’t kill ourselves or light ourselves on fire. I got my eagle at 17 and a few palms just before I turned 18 and I am forever greatful I had all those adventures. Philmont was pretty life changing for me. I was a very short overweight teenager and if it wasn’t for scouts I wouldn’t have had much within myself to believe in. I think anyone with a good troop nearby and a child harboring even the slightest interest could never go wrong.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I started getting my tetanus booster every couple of years (like every 6?) Interesting. In Denmark you will not get a booster until at least ten years have passed, and then only after some sort of relevant injury occurs. In Sweden you don't get one until 20 years have passed and then also only after a relevant injury occurs. This is stressful as a Dane living in Sweden, since the intensity of the booster is presumably different between the two nations, but the Swedes insist on going by their rules and presume that the Danish booster is the same as the Swedish booster.
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The Swedish tetanus shot makes your arm immovable for the day or the day after, can't remember anymore (I was ten). Easily the most intense vaccine I ever got including the covids. On topic, you can't have the yearly flu vaccines if you don't belong to an at risk group - immunocompromised, pensioners, and healtcare professionals only iirc
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