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bird with big dick posted:There's absolutely software fuckery happening but I'm also not convinced it'll get fixed to everyone's satisfaction due to the Battery Degradation Engineer or whatever saying "nope that'll cause too many warranty claims" or something. I'm a Ford homer but I'm not totally delusional. why didn't they just give me a 110% battery then?
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I like the electrons are like cars in a parking lot. Pull into an empty one and you find a spot pretty quickly. Pull into an almost full one and it’s gonna take time to find a spot.
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Sep 5, 2021 16:18
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Elephanthead posted:why didn't they just give me a 110% battery then? Or why don't they just keep some battery in "reserve" like VW does so that 100% is really 90%.
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Sep 5, 2021 16:28
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MrLogan posted:Or why don't they just keep some battery in "reserve" like VW does so that 100% is really 90%. They do.
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Sep 5, 2021 16:35
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From my POV as a software developer, hiding reality behind metaphors you assume people are used to is almost never going to result in the outcome you want. People who are willfully ignorant are going to find ways to continue to be, and people who really want to understand are going to be confused by why you tried to redefine what "percent" means. I think Ford did the right thing. E: bird with big dick posted:They do. oh. Welp.
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Sep 5, 2021 16:37
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MrLogan posted:Or why don't they just keep some battery in "reserve" like VW does so that 100% is really 90%. bird with big dick posted:They do. can’t wait for tuners to offer some “full power unlock” hack for these and ruin a bunch of people’s batteries
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Also if Ford can gently caress up the paint application on p much every FiST made before 2017 (including mine) and tell their buyers to pound sand about it they can absolutely gently caress this up and do the same if it isn’t a “batteries catch fire” issue. They are an American car company, after all
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cruft posted:Both Teslas I have owned go from 0% to about 80% really quickly, and then slow way the gently caress down. Like, I would say 80-100% takes almost as long as 0-80% on the L3 DC chargers. On road trips we hardly ever go up to 100%, you just charge up to what you need to make it to the next charger. Much faster this way. Lithium ion batteries use a two-phase charging process called "Constant Current, Constant Voltage":
Here's a nice picture of the lithium ion charging process shamelessly borrowed from this site (which also has an excellent explanation of the lithium ion charging process):  The battery chemistry affects some of the details, but the overall process is the same for all lithium ion batteries. If you don't charge lithium ion batteries this way, then dentrites (little crystals) can form on the anode, pierce the separator, short circuit the battery, and cause the battery to explode. If you own a Bolt then you may have gotten this feature for free: quote:The simultaneous defects—a torn anode tab and a folded separator—created a “perfect storm,” according to Greg Less, technical director of the University of Michigan’s Battery Lab. The torn tab likely created a projection within the otherwise flat cell, bringing the anode dangerously close to the cathode. The separator defect compounded the problem. Normally, the separator would keep the anode and cathode from touching, but with it folded out of the way, the batteries could short and catch fire. Edit: Fix typos, change "Leaf" to "Bolt" before I get hate mail from Leaf owners. MrPablo fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Sep 5, 2021 |
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Sep 5, 2021 18:12
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bird with big dick posted:Charged at my first public charger. There were two ID-4s and a Jag there and only half the chargers worked. Went to 80% quick and then slowed way down but I didn't really want to charge past 80% anyway. Do most people just keep their max set around 80 for daily driving? I know I'll never use more than even half the range just commuting and running around town. I get free L2 charging at work, so I keep my max setting at 90% at work. I get down to about 85-86% by the time I get home. I then have my home setting to max out at 70%. I don’t usually bother to plug in at home, as I don’t often dip below that 70% threshold to start taking in power at home. But if I am off for a longer period of time, or I have been running a lot of errands, I will.
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Sep 5, 2021 18:35
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Seems smarter to set the threshold lower for your use case, charging up to 90% is putting unnecessary strain on your battery.
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Sep 5, 2021 18:59
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So my mom has a model 3 on order (standard range model). Initially they were saying November but now it's pushed back to January. Then the sales guy at the pick up center (same one who helped her with test drive) said that there might be some new battery chemistry model 3s available sooner, but only have 250mi of range. Is this just sales bullshit? New chemistry having lower range? Seems funky.
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Sep 5, 2021 19:40
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Those are just the LFP cell models they're already selling outside the US. And from what I've read, the EPA range difference is in the 10 mile range.
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Russian Bear posted:So my mom has a model 3 on order (standard range model). Initially they were saying November but now it's pushed back to January. Then the sales guy at the pick up center (same one who helped her with test drive) said that there might be some new battery chemistry model 3s available sooner, but only have 250mi of range. I assume he means made in China SR+ versions. They are actually very good. Youtube "MIC SR+"
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Sep 5, 2021 19:48
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My neighbor told me he was getting a model 3 that was made in china because they can't make enough in the US e: this is in Massachusetts
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Sep 5, 2021 19:50
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Russian Bear posted:So my mom has a model 3 on order (standard range model). Initially they were saying November but now it's pushed back to January. Then the sales guy at the pick up center (same one who helped her with test drive) said that there might be some new battery chemistry model 3s available sooner, but only have 250mi of range. Are you in a market that would get Chinese export Tesla's? Those use a different battery than the California ones E;fb
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Sep 5, 2021 19:50
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Russian Bear posted:So my mom has a model 3 on order (standard range model). Initially they were saying November but now it's pushed back to January. Then the sales guy at the pick up center (same one who helped her with test drive) said that there might be some new battery chemistry model 3s available sooner, but only have 250mi of range. The newer SR+ vehicles are getting LFP batteries, slightly lower capacity (~10 miles) in exchange for the ability to charge to 100% every single time, so effectively more convenient range for daily use. And they can handle more charge/discharge cycles so the pack has a longer total lifespan. Indiana_Krom fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Sep 5, 2021 |
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Sep 5, 2021 19:51
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Huh I didn't know they were offering lfp to the us market, but I just searched and looks like they're doing just that
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Yup that sounds like the exact thing the guy was talking about. Thanks EV thread! This is an order in the midwest.
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Russian Bear posted:Yup that sounds like the exact thing the guy was talking about. Thanks EV thread! If I had the option, I would probably go for the LFP, but I live the the PacNW, and our winters are pretty mild. The one unknown about tesla's LFP chemistry (or all LFP car chemistry) is the cold-weather performance - evidently they have a greater power decrease in the cold. Testers like Bjorn really like the LFP, but they make sure to note that they will re-test in the winter. Might not be a big deal, but something to note. Also they are more politically acceptable, as they have less conflict minerals.
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Orvin posted:I get free L2 charging at work, so I keep my max setting at 90% at work. I get down to about 85-86% by the time I get home. I then have my home setting to max out at 70%. I don’t usually bother to plug in at home, as I don’t often dip below that 70% threshold to start taking in power at home. But if I am off for a longer period of time, or I have been running a lot of errands, I will. Hell, if it's only 5% for you to go to or from work it'd probably be better to set your work max to 80% and your home to like 50%.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Congrats! Great color, like everyone said. Hope it isn’t slow forever. As someone who doesn't know a lot about EVs, is this a tongue in cheek thing or will some future update really make the vehicle faster?
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:As someone who doesn't know a lot about EVs, is this a tongue in cheek thing or will some future update really make the vehicle faster? It's a real possibility, see the comments on the Model 3 firmware updates from the last page or so. It's not guaranteed, though
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They should bring back the zx2, zx3, and zx5 with electric drivetrains. Yes I know nobody would buy them, do it anyways.
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Fame Douglas posted:Seems smarter to set the threshold lower for your use case, charging up to 90% is putting unnecessary strain on your battery. I figured with the overhead marking Ford was holding back on the Mach-E batteries, that just charging to 90% would be fine for the batteries. But I changed it to 80% and 60% today on the way in to work. We will see how it goes. I figured I didn’t want to leave the battery at low state of charge for longer periods of time either. Although I am guessing that 60% for a week or two will probably not cause any long term problems for the battery.
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A low state is way lower than that I think, Microsoft sets their Surface devices to 50% maximum charge if you set them to "permanently connected" mode in the Bios.
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If I want a Mach E am I going to have to order it? Availability is my area is uncertain when I look online.
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Orvin posted:I figured with the overhead marking Ford was holding back on the Mach-E batteries, that just charging to 90% would be fine for the batteries. But I changed it to 80% and 60% today on the way in to work. We will see how it goes. I figured I didn’t want to leave the battery at low state of charge for longer periods of time either. Although I am guessing that 60% for a week or two will probably not cause any long term problems for the battery. From the "High Voltage Battery - Preserving Your High Voltage Battery" chapter of the Mach-E Owner's Manual: quote:PRESERVING YOUR HIGH VOLTAGE BATTERY Note: The nonsensical "°C and 45°C" temperature range is from the web version of the Mach-E manual linked above. The PDF manual says "0°C and 45°C". So it sounds like Ford's guidance is as follows:
So it sounds like keeping the battery at 60% for a week or two is actually recommended by Ford.
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Sep 5, 2021 23:47
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I keep seeing people on the Tesla Reddit talking about like 2021.24.xxx version updates. My car is set to advanced and I'm on 2021.4.21.3. Should I contact a service center?
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Westy543 posted:I keep seeing people on the Tesla Reddit talking about like 2021.24.xxx version updates. My car is set to advanced and I'm on 2021.4.21.3. Should I contact a service center? Brand new cars get their updates a little late. That said, service can force an update.
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MrPablo posted:Edit: Fix typos, change "Leaf" to "Bolt" before I get hate mail from Leaf owners. Dear OP, I hate my Leaf. (Not really, it's just fine for cruft jr's first car. There are just some really dumb things about it, many of them having to do with the battery)
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The lack of active cooling of any sort is a total  move for sure but honestly other than that I'm pretty happy with my Leaf. I totes get why chademo is on its way out but the port on the car is so much prettier and more symmetrical than the CCS ports are, and knowing that the CCS ports could actually be less ugly and more compact makes me dislike them even more. Oh actually I do have one more complaint - the 2020 has a bigger glovebox than the old Leafs iirc and it's still unacceptably tiny. What the gently caress is with that glovebox
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CCS is more compact on the car end though - because the Leaf has a separate connector for AC it needs a ridiculously big flap to cover both ports
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How many garages don't ever get freezing cold or blisteringly hot?
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Mine's pretty good. I insulated the garage door and it tends to stay within a pretty good range of our mild PNW weather.
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Hawkperson posted:The lack of active cooling of any sort is a total I mean, it's fine. We knew when we got it what we were getting into, so I shouldn't complain. The 89 mile range just wound up being more of a pain in the rear end than I realized, and the lack of thermal management rubs me the wrong way, but it's far from the worst car I've ever owned. That would be a 1984 Mercury Zephyr, which we eventually discovered was a taxi cab bought at auction with the miles rolled back by the dealership that bought it. QuarkJets posted:How many garages don't ever get freezing cold or blisteringly hot? I don't have a garage so I guess I should be counted in the below freezing camp, but I think blistering doesn't happen until about the temperature of water boiling, and it doesn't get that hot here.
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Wayne Knight posted:Mine's pretty good. I insulated the garage door and it tends to stay within a pretty good range of our mild PNW weather. I think that's probably key, I haven't seen many insulated garage doors but now I'm wondering if I need to insulate mine (it's heavy wood at least, so at least it's somewhat insulating) Like the PNW just saw a summer where outdoor temperatures exceeded 45 C (113 F) multiple times. Who knows whether that's the new normal
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bird with big dick posted:I bought a very slow performance EV with the hopes that it may get faster someday. I have faith in Ford Motor Company. to quote mr regular, ‘but you’re in a mustang. you’re used to things being faster than you’ that’s looks really nice. looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it
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