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sean10mm posted:Vick wouldn't have gone into the hall even without the dogfighting thing because he was never actually that good as an NFL quarterback. He was overrated before he was controversial because of SportsCenter highlights and 99 SPEED IN MADDEN or whatever, and now is overrated from nostalgia for the vague memory of those things. I think if he'd hooked up with Andy Reid off the bat he would have had a chance. His first few head coaches were Dan Reeves for part of a year, Wade Phillips (bless him but he isn't going to develop a quarterback) and Jim freaking Mora. That's a recipe to ruin a talented quarterback before we get into the legal stuff. e: Kubiak's an interesting thought, easy system to play and based heavily on rolling out. He'd have a very fast man rolling out in theory. Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Sep 6, 2021 |
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What if vick got to throw to people better than alge Crumpler
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Doltos posted:inferiority complex Yes there is some of this but thats only because I'm old and remember when the Giants were an actual good franchise in the 80s even though the NY Media and their fans still act like it's the 80s.
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Metapod posted:What if vick got to throw to people better than alge Crumpler He threw in 2010 but then fell off a cliff in 2011 as part of that Dream Team.
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Some rivalries are also one way for teams that share a media market, where usually the smaller fan base/city is super bitter about the larger one, which is mostly indifferent or even positive about the smaller team. Also thought this was the chat thread.
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Vick definitely didn't have any coaches with any idea what to do with a small QB with warp speed running and a big arm but was very meh in the pocket.
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sean10mm posted:Vick definitely didn't have any coaches with any idea what to do with a small QB with warp speed running and a big arm but was very meh in the pocket. Yeah but Vick gave us this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yke08SybJzU
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mcmagic posted:Yes there is some of this but thats only because I'm old and remember when the Giants were an actual good franchise in the 80s even though the NY Media and their fans still act like it's the 80s. They won two super bowls since 2000, one within the last decade
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sean10mm posted:Vick wouldn't have gone into the hall even without the dogfighting thing because he was never actually that good as an NFL quarterback. He was overrated before he was controversial because of SportsCenter highlights and 99 SPEED IN MADDEN or whatever, and now is overrated from nostalgia for the vague memory of those things. Well, that's what I was getting at with my first post. Vick's career wasn't a Hall of Fame career but he still had an enormous, outsized impact on the NFL. Are there any other non-HoF players like that?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:He threw in 2010 but then fell off a cliff in 2011 as part of that Dream Team. Players who rely on being the best athlete tend to fall off once over 30 yes
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SKULL.GIF posted:Well, that's what I was getting at with my first post. Vick's career wasn't a Hall of Fame career but he still had an enormous, outsized impact on the NFL. Are there any other non-HoF players like that? Feels like a cop out but... Randall Cunningham was kinda Vick before Vick?
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sean10mm posted:Vick definitely didn't have any coaches with any idea what to do with a small QB with warp speed running and a big arm but was very meh in the pocket. Dan Reeves did very well with him, but Vick broke his leg in 2003 and that gave the owner all the room they needed to get the hot new head coach to install the worst possible offense for him.
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MIke Vick was never that good. Y'all think he was awesome because of his dumb Madden rating.
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half cocaine posted:MIke Vick was never that good. Y'all think he was awesome because of his dumb Madden rating. I can promise you his Madden rating is not something that I ever even knew or thought about.
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half cocaine posted:MIke Vick was never that good. Y'all think he was awesome because of his dumb Madden rating. Vick was fun to watch. This does not have to coincide with him being good or bad
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This ONLY, EVER, IN NO WAY FOR ANY OTHER REASON happened because of his Madden rating https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oag8iBB7HE
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 If you're going to hype these poo poo-rear end stats at least give Randall Cunningham some respect. Or I dunno Chris Chandler. edit: I can't believe he never threw more than 3000 yards during his madden hype years. half cocaine fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Sep 6, 2021 |
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He also was running for 700 yards a season and it was mostly before the Peyton rules happened
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SKULL.GIF posted:This ONLY, EVER, IN NO WAY FOR ANY OTHER REASON happened because of his Madden rating I would go on that ride
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half cocaine posted:If you're going to hype these poo poo-rear end stats at least give Randall Cunningham some respect. Or I dunno Chris Chandler. a neat cape posted:Vick was fun to watch. We also have eyes and imaginations and we're just talking what ifs here. He's nowhere near a hall of famer based on his career, but that release on his throw along with everything else had he learned how to actually play QB earlier--which he's admitted he never bothered with until he got to Philly--is scary. As an aside I don't think most of this forum will ever disrespect QB Eagles. Who was also incredibly screwed over by coaching early on. Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Sep 6, 2021 |
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Jesus Christ I can't be the only one old enough to remember watching Randall Cunningham play. Vick ain't got poo poo. That Eagles oline was loving garbage
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who cares about 90s rear end randall cunningham
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half cocaine posted:Jesus Christ I can't be the only one old enough to remember watching Randall Cunningham play. Vick ain't got poo poo. That Eagles oline was loving garbage
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a neat cape posted:who cares about 90s rear end randall cunningham  don't immediately try to prove me wrong.
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half cocaine posted:If you're going to hype these poo poo-rear end stats at least give Randall Cunningham some respect. Or I dunno Chris Chandler. Quote me where I brought up Vick's stats in a positive manner
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Grittybeard posted:
to be fair I'd say who cares about 90s rear end <any player>
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I mean it's kind of obvious Vick was never a great passer considering everyone hated on him his entire career for missing wide open WRs. But to pull up his passing stats as the reason he was bad kinda shows your rear end when discussing how good Vick was. Only like Young, Newton, Cunningham, and Wilson come close to him and who knows how long Lamar will last rushing the way he is right now. Vick was a transcendent talent.
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Cool I can't wait for the Derrick Henry is better than Barry Sanders debates 
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no one has ever or will ever say that except metapod
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There are plenty of hbs better than henry at the first level but there are no hbs better than henry once he reaches the second level
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half cocaine posted:Cool I can't wait for the Derrick Henry is better than Barry Sanders debates He is. Your heroes of the past played against unathletic cornboys that got into the NFL by running meat first into each other with no skill. They were slower, weaker, and less agile than present day 4th round picks. Players of today have access to way more training, nutrition, and advocacy for full time dedication to football. Their skill can only translate so much if they're physically worse than every D1 athlete now.
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half cocaine posted:Chris Johnson Better first step accelerates faster shiftier makes him better at the first level but he and Henry's top speed are similar so once they are both at the 2nd level henry is better because he's bigger stronger and way harder to bring down
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So the history of the Falcons ends with that Super Bowl. Nothing remained afterwards.
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Some say you can still hear their ghosts in the abandoned arena where they played.
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Asproigerosis posted:having a sensible chuckle over the chargers trading away michael vick because spanos didn't want to pay him #1 overall money. Speaking of trades I just stumbled across this again quote:On March 2, 2005, [Randy] Moss was traded to the Oakland Raiders for linebacker Napoleon Harris and the Raiders' first (7th overall, which Minnesota parlayed into wide receiver Troy Williamson) and seventh-round picks in the NFL draft. Whew.
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