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Honestly Fulgrim seems the least likely to turncoat twice. Not just because of all the Daemon Primarchs he's the one who fell the furthest the fastest, but because it would mean admitting he was a fuckup and repenting. Seems utterly out of character. It should be Angron because that's the funniest possible option.
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Relevant Tangent posted:Honestly Fulgrim seems the least likely to turncoat twice. Not just because of all the Daemon Primarchs he's the one who fell the furthest the fastest, but because it would mean admitting he was a fuckup and repenting. Seems utterly out of character. It should be Angron because that's the funniest possible option. If they did it this way then Fulgrim would have never turned at all. His soul got kicked out of his body into a painting by a demon and so he never actually turned. And it makes sense he fell furthest fastest if it was the demon that possessed his body all along.
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Sep 12, 2021 04:26
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Fulgrim found a way back into his body before Istvaan III and he still turned to Slaanesh because he wanted to rock and roll all night and party everyday.
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Sep 12, 2021 07:57
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Arc Hammer posted:Well, off the top of my head: Brostin is still alive at least! The short story This is What Victory Feels Like (Forever the Same) in Sabbat War is excellent.
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Sep 12, 2021 09:45
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Gooses and Geeses posted:Brostin is still alive at least! The short story This is What Victory Feels Like (Forever the Same) in Sabbat War is excellent. Haven't read that one yet but gently caress yeah I had a feeling he wasn't dead. Takes more than a building to stop him.
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Sep 12, 2021 11:51
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Relevant Tangent posted:Honestly Fulgrim seems the least likely to turncoat twice. Not just because of all the Daemon Primarchs he's the one who fell the furthest the fastest, but because it would mean admitting he was a fuckup and repenting. Seems utterly out of character. It should be Angron because that's the funniest possible option. Angron and Lorgar going good would be hilarious
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Sep 12, 2021 12:35
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Still think they are going to go with the shards of Magnus reforming and going good. It was fairly well accepted during the Horus Heresy that he got the poo poo end of the stick and both he and Russ were aware they god duped by horus but at the time poo poo was kicking off and they couldn't work it out.
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Sep 12, 2021 14:25
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Arc Hammer posted:Haven't read that one yet but gently caress yeah I had a feeling he wasn't dead. Takes more than a building to stop him. This pleases me greatly.
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Sep 12, 2021 15:03
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Improbable Lobster posted:Angron and Lorgar going good would be hilarious I could see Lorgar being a possibility after 10k years of meditation Telsa Cola posted:Still think they are going to go with the shards of Magnus reforming and going good. It was fairly well accepted during the Horus Heresy that he got the poo poo end of the stick and both he and Russ were aware they god duped by horus but at the time poo poo was kicking off and they couldn't work it out. Have you read Fury of Magnus? This won't happen.
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Sep 12, 2021 16:47
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Arquinsiel posted:Or, and bear with me here, OR.... the Primarch who fell to Slaanesh just enjoys messing with people and it's been him all along. What better way to pervert the devotion of his children than to get them to inflict pain on him, that he enjoys, in a misguided effort to save him from an imaginary demon, all the while getting them to take pride in their efforts? Lorgar throws a bit of a fit at everyone being cool with fulgrim being replaced by a demon timeline wise right before calth so we have yet to see fulgrim ever not possessed by someone who could tell.
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Sep 12, 2021 16:53
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No way a traitor legion comes back into the fold, too many internal factions would be at war even if Guillimon or Elvis say otherwise. Alpha Legion would be the closest, but they'd still be hunted down even though they never aligned with chaos directly.
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D-Pad posted:I could see Lorgar being a possibility after 10k years of meditation I have not but perusing the wiki and spoilers states that the literal shard of virtue and loyalty got put into the person who later became the first grey knight Supreme Master, was said to be primarch like, and does not have a confirmed death. So there's an extremely obvious way for it to happen. Edit: Hell Kaldor Drago could be Janus and would explain all the crazy poo poo he does. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Sep 12, 2021 |
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Is the paining in the fulgrim story like a xeno tech stasis chamber or is it literally a painting
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euphronius posted:Is the paining in the fulgrim story like a xeno tech stasis chamber or is it literally a painting Its literally a riff on Dorian grey.
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Ok lol . That’s funny.
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euphronius posted:Ok lol . That’s funny. The “paint” includes blood and poo poo and presumably cum.
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Sep 12, 2021 18:34
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Philthy posted:No way a traitor legion comes back into the fold, too many internal factions would be at war even if Guillimon or Elvis say otherwise. The EC are still traitors, Guilliman will simply introduce the new Chapter Master of the Sons of the Phoenix, Mr. Mirgluf 
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Sep 12, 2021 18:52
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NihilCredo posted:The EC are still traitors, Guilliman will simply introduce the new Chapter Master of the Sons of the Phoenix, Mr. Mirgluf Okay, but only if Mirgluf dyes his hair and puts on a fake mustache.
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Sep 12, 2021 19:01
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Telsa Cola posted:I have not but perusing the wiki and spoilers states that the literal shard of virtue and loyalty got put into the person who later became the first grey knight Supreme Master, was said to be primarch like, and does not have a confirmed death. If you read Fury of Magnus, the idea that there are noble/virtuous shards is explicitly rejected. They can all be noble/good/etc. Magnus saves innocent, loyalist citizens' lives, even as he's infiltrating the Palace.
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Sep 12, 2021 20:17
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Telsa Cola posted:I have not but perusing the wiki and spoilers states that the literal shard of virtue and loyalty got put into the person who later became the first grey knight Supreme Master, was said to be primarch like, and does not have a confirmed death. Nah I think Fury of Magnus made it pretty clear that is no longer an option. Here is the relevant excerpt, big spoilers if you haven't read the book yet: https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/mvicg4/excerpt_fury_of_magnus_a_confrontation_with/ Basically the shards are pieces of his soul but they are just reflections of certain aspects. Even without the shards Magnus still had the virtue and loyalty, everything he did was not done only because he was missing something that would have otherwise prevented him from doing it. And as Malcador says that shard is gone anyway. Fury of Magnus is the capstone to the Heresy Magnus story.
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Sep 12, 2021 20:21
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Gooses and Geeses posted:Brostin is still alive at least! The short story This is What Victory Feels Like (Forever the Same) in Sabbat War is excellent. Awww, man, I liked the way he went out, not sure if it's a common sentiment, but after relecting on it the only deaths that really bummed me out were Banda and Elodie's, weirdly enough.
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I can't believe how incredibly boring Battle for the Abyss is. Like, I'm about 1/3 through it, and so far it's mostly just been ships I've never heard of and don't care about blowing up. Like, it takes skill to make hundreds of pages of space battles this boring
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Battle for the Abyss was the worst heresy book by a large margin for a long time, it might still be.
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I'm like 90% sure I'm gonna give up on it, life's too short and there's too many books
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You know, I still regret reading Nemesis (truly a book that provided an experience like no other), but I feel like burning out on the HH books at that point saved me a lot of wasted reading time down the road from this thread's reactions sometimes. (That a fair take or are there any real diamonds in the rough to pick up?)
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My thoughts on the books I've read, and what I'd rank them in my very subjective opinion 1 Horus Rising - S 2 False Gods - S 3 Galaxy in Flames - S 4 Flight of the Eisenstein - A 5 Fulgrim - B for the first chunk, A for the rest 6 Descent of Angels - A 7 Legion - A 8 Battle for the Abyss - DNF 9 Mechanicum - B- 10 Tales of Heresy - C to A depending on story 11 Fallen Angels - B 12 A Thousand Sons - A 13 The First Heretic - A 14 Prospero Burns - C+ 19 Know No Fear - A 21 Fear to Tread - DNF 22 Shadows of Treachery - C to B+ depending on story 24 Betrayer - A poo poo I've read a lot of these. I started picking and choosing based on ones I've heard good things about but most of them held up (aside from Prospero Burns but that's my own personal opinion)
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Serpentis posted:You know, I still regret reading Nemesis (truly a book that provided an experience like no other), but I feel like burning out on the HH books at that point saved me a lot of wasted reading time down the road from this thread's reactions sometimes. (That a fair take or are there any real diamonds in the rough to pick up?) I went into Nemesis expecting the absolute worst and...actually didn't hate it. The story of the protagonist Vindicare assassin even continues into the short "Gunsight" in the Death and Defiance Anthology and gets concluded in Garro Vow of Faith.
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Nemesis was godawful. I rate Horus Rising, Legion, Prospero Burns and Know No Fear above everything else, then The First Heretic, Betrayer, Galaxy in Flames, A Thousand Sons, Fulgrim and Scars, then Master of Mankind, False Gods, Path of Heaven, and some of the short stories, and then it's a steep cliff.
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Nemesis is the only HH book I've read, because I care little for Space Marines and even less for Primarchs. Someone in this thread described it as "basically a sitcom starring five Assassins" and that sounded extremely like my poo poo. It was... not an accurate description of most of the book, but at least the initial recruitment and team play were fun to read. Once it started trying to create serious drama, though, it failed utterly. Sorry, I can't care about the tragic family backstory of Professional Sniper Dude and Laconic Poisoner Dudette. NihilCredo fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Sep 15, 2021 |
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No. 1 Juicy Boi posted:I can't believe how incredibly boring Battle for the Abyss is. Like, I'm about 1/3 through it, and so far it's mostly just been ships I've never heard of and don't care about blowing up. Its a genuinely awful with no redeeming qualities. No payoff and there's no relevance to the story either
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mllaneza posted:However far you've gotten, it's not getting any better and will in fact get worse. It's great so many want to have the full HH collection. I just sold my hardback copy for $75. Your BL hardbacks are worth good money folks. Anybody who hasn't read Master of Mankind should fix that soon.
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NihilCredo posted:Nemesis is the only HH book I've read, because I care little for Space Marines and even less for Primarchs. Someone in this thread described it as "basically a sitcom starring five Assassins" and that sounded extremely like my poo poo. Band of disparate assassins get thrown together dirty dozen style to take out a target is a great idea for a 40k book. The mistake was making a Horus Heresy book with that premise and Horus as the target. It's obvious they can't succeed from page one so what's the point. Set at any later time and with a plausibly difficult (but won't derail our entire line of novels if they succeed) target. You'd have a great premise for a story.
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Deptfordx posted:Band of disparate assassins get thrown together dirty dozen style to take out a target is a great idea for a 40k book.
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Or even during the siege since that story beat is pretty fuzzy (for now, maybe).
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No. 1 Juicy Boi posted:I'm like 90% sure I'm gonna give up on it, life's too short and there's too many books Reading Battle for the Abyss is a rite of passage for newcomers to the Horus Heresy because it's the litmus test on mediocre/offensively bad warhammer fiction, you can safely give up on it and set it on fire with no remorse.
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The new episode of Angels of Death has a dope cameo that I was super excited to see, even though I'm not a huge Blood Angels fan
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No. 1 Juicy Boi posted:The new episode of Angels of Death has a dope cameo that I was super excited to see, even though I'm not a huge Blood Angels fan Is it Trazyn the Infinite? He should cameo in everything, just stealin’ poo poo.
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Xenomrph posted:Is it Trazyn the Infinite? He should cameo in everything, just stealin’ poo poo. I'd be down for Trazyn as an easter egg in the background nicking stuff.
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I thought the...liberators of relics were the guys from the dawn of war games.
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