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Dirk the Average posted:Anecdotally, I fielded a lot of questions from friends and family who were under the impression that if you voted No on the recall that you could not also vote on who would replace Gavbot if he were recalled.
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Dirk the Average posted:Anecdotally, I fielded a lot of questions from friends and family who were under the impression that if you voted No on the recall that you could not also vote on who would replace Gavbot if he were recalled. Yeah I heard this one a lot.
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Sep 15, 2021 20:15
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That definitely would have been part of the messaging battle if the Dems had run a backup candidate. The GOP has been pushing that lie for decades, ever since they lost the court battle over it, and unfortunately a lot of voters have zero idea how any of our systems work.
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Sep 15, 2021 20:26
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Imagine if a recall just triggered an RCV election that included the incumbent.
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Sep 15, 2021 20:34
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CPColin posted:On the bright side, someone with as much name recognition as Caitlyn Jenner got less than 3x the votes as our goon candidate David Moore lol It gets even starker when you compare the campaign spending. Jenner had about 200x my budget. My main expense was actually the $4,200 filing fee and then I had a bit left over for a few radio ads. I'll have some more to say on the results and am working on a statement summing it all up, but there's a couple main points. 1) California voters were horrified by the ultra-right politics of Elder, which I think was a decisive factor in swinging what was a tossup in August to a blowout in September 2) The Democrats' pulled out all the stops to line up behind Newsom and they were backed by the DSA, PSL and a host of other pseudo-left organizations. It was quite striking to have ads from Sanders, AOC, Obama, and visits from the president and vice-president. They centered their campaign on a fundamental lie that Newsom was following the science and that they would end the pandemic. The Biden and Newsom administrations' vaccine only focus will not eliminate transmission but only ensure that COVID becomes endemic with deadly breakouts, probably for generations to come. 3) The exit polls showed 17% of voters wanted stricter anti-COVID measures. As far as I can tell, I was the only candidate campaigning on that basis. I expect that number to continue to grow as school outbreaks continue and the pandemic persists into next year's election. 4) There's a lot of technical things I've learned about running a more effective campaign, and I'll keep an eye on the situation going to next elections for a possible statewide or local office, but the real question over the coming year is going to be organizing and generalizing the on-the-ground opposition among workers who have been kept on the job in unsafe conditions while their bosses are making enormous profits. Thanks to all of you who supported my run. None of the crises confronting CA have been resolved. I hope you'll keep up the fight.
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Sep 15, 2021 21:48
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Also worth pointing out Newsom is telegraphing a further turn to the right: https://twitter.com/cmarinucci/status/1438242224018374659 Time to triangulate with Elder
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Sep 15, 2021 21:56
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Canasta_Nasty posted:Also worth pointing out Newsom is telegraphing a further turn to the right: That's a standard thing every politician says after winning an election. It doesn't telegraph anything.
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Sep 15, 2021 22:05
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DaveWoo posted:That's a standard thing every politician says after winning an election. It doesn't telegraph anything. Yeah this is typical post-victory moderate dem stuff. It's for libs who fetishize bipartisanship, they eat it up
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Sep 15, 2021 22:07
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I think the point still stands though, it's standard and commonplace but that's only because it's the standard liberal rhetoric used to justify swings to the right they were already going to do anyway.
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Sep 15, 2021 22:09
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Canasta_Nasty posted:3) The exit polls showed 17% of voters wanted stricter anti-COVID measures. Is this a typo or was it really just 17%? Because if so that's abysmal.
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Sep 15, 2021 22:15
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DaveWoo posted:That's a standard thing every politician says after winning an election. It doesn't telegraph anything. Well, except for *waves hands at the entire history of the Dems starting with Carter*
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Sep 15, 2021 22:29
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If you won election as a socialist, you'd go on TV and say "I understand the concerns of the Democrats and I'm not trying to alienate anyone" too. That's politics. Newsom will also probably move to the right but not because of that quote. Sydin posted:Is this a typo or was it really just 17%? Because if so that's abysmal. The poll was linked in this thread.
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Sep 15, 2021 22:39
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Sydin posted:Is this a typo or was it really just 17%? Because if so that's abysmal. The largest plurality thought the current precautions in place were appropriate
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Sep 15, 2021 22:39
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Canasta_Nasty posted:Also worth pointing out Newsom is telegraphing a further turn to the right: That's not even close to what Gavbot is saying here.
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Sep 15, 2021 22:41
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Sydin posted:Is this a typo or was it really just 17%? Because if so that's abysmal. That was the CBS exit poll. I think it has to be viewed in the context of Biden unveiling the "totally new" plan of just counting on vaccines while throwing children into school, combined with the media misinformation that Newsom is taking bold measures. I've even seen a few doctors who should know better hopping on the bandwagon that this will magically end the pandemic. The danger, and one of the reasons I thought it was so important to run, is that when you pump the public up with this pseudo-science you set the stage for the chuds and Greenwalds of the world to start screeching about how lockdowns don't work and masks don't work because the pandemic is still going and we should all just get infected ASAP. While the real issue is that the government refuses to present any plan to actually eliminate transmission and they're just trying to ease the public into accepting an endemic COVID.
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no hay camino posted:
I voted very very early , when polls made a Yes victory look more possible, so I wanted to vote strategically in case the recall went through. Sorry goon candidate  If I had cast my ballot closer to Election Day probably would have picked someone I actually liked more.Luckily it’s moot and we don’t have to either experience Gov. Elder or prepare our bodies to Meet Kevin. Canasta_Nasty posted:Also worth pointing out Newsom is telegraphing a further turn to the right:
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The Glumslinger posted:The largest plurality thought the current precautions in place were appropriate That is extremely depressing.
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Sydin posted:That is extremely depressing. Everyone on TV and in the papers has been saying for months that everything's fine and under control, and that if there are any problems it's not the fault of anyone in any position of authority but instead the fault of some crazy antivaxxers.
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Sep 15, 2021 23:33
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Every chud business owner (most business owners) and a few of their dumber employees have been screaming and farting that there were any TYRANNICAL mandates or FREEDOM KILLIN' regulations in the loving first place. It's one of the main reasons for this nonsense and there was no way for a Governor to win. Mandates/Vax=piss off the chamber of commerce/chud owners/emps.................no Mandates/no Vax/OPEN ER' UP! piss everyone else off.
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Sep 15, 2021 23:46
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Jaxyon posted:If you won election as a socialist, you'd go on TV and say "I understand the concerns of the Democrats and I'm not trying to alienate anyone" too. The Dems have literally been moving to the right since Carter to win conservative votes, to the point where they are drat near indistinguishable from 90's Republicans. So yeah, when they try to capitulate to the right it hasn't been rhetoric in the past, and it shouldn't be taken as rhetoric now.
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I know that Newsom's statement is standard boilerplate, it's just also an accurate presentation of the Democrats' orientation. Their response to unhinged QAnon conspiracy theorists is to promote and orient to traditional war criminal, corporate Republicans. https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1436347974066622466 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByaPsDHEWiw I don't think this particular statement of Newsom's is an earth-shaking bombshell, it's just pretty clear that the Governor whose response to the recall was to personally tear apart a couple homeless encampments only "has the backs" of a specific right-wing subset of yes voters. Newsom is not going to take the massive repudiation of the far-right in this recall as a chance to appeal to tack left. The DSA's thought that a victorious Newsom would be amenable to far-reaching health care improvements is just a fantasy.
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I actually tossed you a vote, but now that I took a look at Angelyne's platform I think I made a mistake. 
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acksplode posted:Yeah this is typical post-victory moderate dem stuff. It's for libs who fetishize bipartisanship, they eat it up Kinda like when Donnie started at his peak somewhere between 2016 Nov and 2017 Jan.
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I would have the strength of will to declare that the purge of the enemies of the people who didn’t vote for me would begin posthaste upon my election.
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If I win office, I will look straight into the camera and say, "my government will soon own everything and all your white daughters are now property of the state and will live their lives pleasuring my swarthy soldiers. Thank you for giving me power." (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 16, 2021 02:43
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NWO and Hammer and Sickle pins on your lapels
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Eric Cantonese posted:If I win office, I will look straight into the camera and say, "my government will soon own everything and all your white daughters are now property of the state and will live their lives pleasuring my swarthy soldiers. Thank you for giving me power." Well now I have no choice but to vote for you.
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Jaxyon posted:I actually tossed you a vote, but now that I took a look at Angelyne's platform I think I made a mistake. UFO CONVENTION
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Canasta_Nasty posted:Thanks to all of you who supported my run. None of the crises confronting CA have been resolved. I hope you'll keep up the fight. Pretty sure I voted for you when I filled out my ballot a few weeks ago, had no idea you were a goon. Thanks for all your work.
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Steely Glint posted:The effect of race in that election has been historically exaggerated for the reasons you'd expect, yeah. This PPIC poll reports 50% yes votes on prop 8 for white people and 57% for "Latinos, Asians and black people" as a group. That's a trivially small effect compared to most others studied. e.g. party alignment is 35% vs 77%, gender is similarly impactful, and so on This suggests that Black people are not significantly more conservative than White people, but they are significantly more conservative than party affiliation would lead you to believe, which is not the case for White people. So... it kind of completely validates the argument? If Black people voted in line with their party for Prop 8 then it wouldn't have passed.
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Canasta_Nasty posted:Also worth pointing out Newsom is telegraphing a further turn to the right: Lol at winning in a blowout and responding by telling the losers "don't worry, I'm still going to act as though you won"
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Lol at winning in a blowout and responding by telling the losers "don't worry, I'm still going to act as though you won" Sounds more like "I will try to help all Californians, not just those who voted for me". Pretty standard politician stuff. Cup Runneth Over posted:This suggests that Black people are not significantly more conservative than White people, but they are significantly more conservative than party affiliation would lead you to believe, which is not the case for White people. So... it kind of completely validates the argument? If Black people voted in line with their party for Prop 8 then it wouldn't have passed. My impression is this is something that might be true, but is inconvenient to acknowledge. As someone affected, I do still feel the sting of this. DeadlyMuffin fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Sep 16, 2021 |
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California Politics: The Elder Scrolls: LarryfallDeadlyMuffin posted:Sounds more like "I will try to help all Californians, not just those who voted for me". Pretty standard politician stuff. Unless they're Trump and promising to dance on the graves of your opponents, I don't think I've ever heard a politician not say this.
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Glass of Milk posted:Unless they're Trump and promising to dance on the graves of your opponents, I don't think I've ever heard a politician not say this. How many in your dataset then proceeded to shift Left with progressive policies instead?
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Sounds more like "I will try to help all Californians, not just those who voted for me". Pretty standard politician stuff. "All Californians" being REITs, senior water rights holders, and liberals who hate the homeless.
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I think Newsom should have been blunt and said "the people of California are not interested in this stupid Republican grift called a recall". I don't think he has to worry about losing the West Wing demographic.
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Glass of Milk posted:California Politics: The Elder Scrolls: Larryfall 
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Glass of Milk posted:California Politics: The Elder Scrolls: Larryfall 
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There's a CA GOP building where I live I'm tempted to go pay them a visit and ask them how they're gonna pay for the recall attempt
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Trazz posted:There's a CA GOP building where I live Why don’t you leave a bag of poop at the front door, light it on fire, ring the doorbell and then run away like a normal person?
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