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Doctor Jeep posted:Mike/M. R. Carey is a recommendation whatever genre/medium he's working in. I haven't read his Felix Castor series but everything else has been very good. Yeah, I was about to say to move up Mike Carey (and Harry Connolly) over Paul Cornell (first one was fine but that sequel, whoof).
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Yeah, he was the guy that wrote the Lucifer comics everyone loves when that character got his own series separate from Gaiman's Sandman, right? yes to all of this rampart is already finished (book 1 & 2 came out last year, book 3 in this one) as far as his comics works goes, also read crossing midnight, the unwritten, the highest house and the dollhouse family i'm sad that there probably won't be more of the highest house
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biracial bear for uncut posted:I recommend you skip Dresden altogether unless you like the idea of supporting a COVID-denier/truther. Ill definetly have to have a look at some of these instead.
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There’s not much in Dresden 1-2 you don’t get enough info about in Dresden 3-4 to make up for skipping them. I agree it is good to read them at least once, just to fill out some story, but the plot picks up big time in 3.
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Hey I just got caught up and started read the last book of the Daniel Faust series, The Locust Job, and…there is clearly one of the crossover books that I was supposed to read cause there’s a funeral and new characters that I’m clearly supposed to know. This kind of pisses me off. So, what is the bare minimum I need to read to understand this last book? The Wisdom Grave thing that I’ve never heard of? The Harmony Black books that I read a couple of and didn’t like? Or the fantasy thing with the animal masks that I bounced right the gently caress off of every time I tried? Help me out here.
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Harmony Black and Wisdom’s grave are both relevant, but the former you can probably get away with “Harmony is a magic FBI agent” and be okay. Wisdom’s Grave is a lot more backstory relevant and seems like it will influence a bunch of things moving forward. It’s been like six months since the last book, is Shaefer okay?
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navyjack posted:Hey I just got caught up and started read the last book of the Daniel Faust series, The Locust Job, and…there is clearly one of the crossover books that I was supposed to read cause there’s a funeral and new characters that I’m clearly supposed to know. This kind of pisses me off. So, what is the bare minimum I need to read to understand this last book? The Wisdom Grave thing that I’ve never heard of? The Harmony Black books that I read a couple of and didn’t like? Or the fantasy thing with the animal masks that I bounced right the gently caress off of every time I tried? Help me out here. All you need is in the "story so far" part that opens the book. poo poo went down, Carolyn is dead, that's all you have to know. After the funeral scene that opens the book there isn't anything that calls back to books outside the Faust series.
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Velius posted:Harmony Black and Wisdom’s grave are both relevant, but the former you can probably get away with “Harmony is a magic FBI agent” and be okay. Wisdom’s Grave is a lot more backstory relevant and seems like it will influence a bunch of things moving forward. He’s been pretty open on his blog/twitter about the pandemic kicking off massive depression for him. He’s back in a good place again now and writing again.
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Velius posted:Harmony Black and Wisdom’s grave are both relevant, but the former you can probably get away with “Harmony is a magic FBI agent” and be okay. Wisdom’s Grave is a lot more backstory relevant and seems like it will influence a bunch of things moving forward. His website has the next Faust book in editing, and the next Harmony Black in Outlining.
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The new October Daye novel When Sorrows Come is dropping in eBook and hardback version on Tuesday. I’m torn on waiting for the audiobook, but it will give me time to do a reread.
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Velius posted:Harmony Black and Wisdom’s grave are both relevant, but the former you can probably get away with “Harmony is a magic FBI agent” and be okay. Wisdom’s Grave is a lot more backstory relevant and seems like it will influence a bunch of things moving forward. Schaefer has written two books since April; one a Ghosts of Gotham side project that was fantastic, and the most recent was Faust-adjacent and ventured into his Multiverse. I am looking forward to his next project which was voted on as SF, I want more weird space poo poo and power armor in Miami.Schaefer on Worldbuilding, 9/15/21: Warning, Long but interesting. As promised, I decided to write up a few of my thoughts on worldbuilding in fantasy. This is a followup to my earlier pieces on outlining (which you can find here and here and here and here.) Worldbuilding? Just make some poo poo up. There you go, you’re welcome. …what, that’s not enough? Ugh, fine. Okay, the creation of fictional worlds is both an important process and a dangerous trap. The trap lies in the temptation to go all-in, to define your world down to the smallest tree branch, which is not only overkill but tends to result in not actually writing the book. It’s easy, especially for new writers, to disappear into one’s own navel and compose more background material than you’ll ever use or need. And that brings a second, even more insidious trap: the compulsion to put all of that stuff on the page and share it with the reader even though it has nothing to do with the story. Yes, the heroes might be riding past the former castle of Baron Pfluhrhr, who lost his life two hundred and ninety-one years ago in the Cola Wars, struck down by a silver-plumed griffon which is notable because griffons only rarely have silver plumage, but this particular griffon was bred in the far-off kingdom of— —and congratulations, your reader has either fallen asleep or thrown the book at the wall. Here’s the trick to get around all that: worldbuilding isn’t the first step. It’s the last step. When I’m working on a new story, I always begin with characters. Who are the leads? What are they like? What do they want, and what’s stopping them from getting it? While I’m jotting down a mess of notes, I’m also thinking about theme. What do I want to say in this book? How do I want the reader to feel, and what’s the ultimate takeaway? With rudimentary characters, conflict, and theme, I’m ready to roll. All three will get fleshed out during the outlining process (and may radically change by the time I’m done), but now I know the basics and have a list of things to focus on. If I’m writing a story about a humble baker, I don’t need to write thirty pages chronicling the history of the kingdom he lives in: I need to know how to bake bread. A story about a politician doesn’t need a treatise on the local flora and fauna, but I do have to define how politics work in her world. Tools of the Trade Time to get organized. Trust me on this one. I know a certain author whose initial series notes are scattered across three notebooks and twenty-odd text files, and they really wish they’d had their act together when they started out. Sigh. In my posts on outlining, I’ve extolled the virtues of Scrivener. All of my books are written in Scrivener, and it’s a great tool not only for structuring your scenes and chapters, but for keeping your background notes together for quick and easy reference. I’ve recently found a perfect companion tool: it’s called Plottr, and it’s absolutely amazing for outlining and note-taking. It’s essentially a database where you can keep all of your info on characters, important places and events, and also a timeline which can be exported to create a handy-dandy final outline. (Not an endorsement, and I don’t get kickbacks from these folks, just sharing my two favorite tools. Check ‘em out! I think there are demos for both, so you can try before you buy.) Focus on What’s Needed You have characters, conflict, theme, and a plot all beginning to emerge. Now it’s time for worldbuilding. I like to distinguish between which setting elements need to be set in concrete, and which can be left (for now, at least) as rough sketches. For example, my patrons have voted on my next project, and it’s going to be a challenge: my first stab at science fiction (well, science fantasy). I haven’t slept much in the last week. It’s a whole new, weird universe, and I have to build it from the ground up. Once I nailed down the story itself and who it’s about, I was able to get to work on the essentials. “Write what you know” is well-intentioned but often misunderstood advice. After all, I write crime stories but I’ve never robbed a bank or committed a murder (my lawyer told me to say that.) I’ve also never conjured a demon (my lawyer told me to say that, too.) But with a little imagination it’s often possible to adapt the knowledge you do have to storytelling and worldbuilding. We’re writing a space opera here, and people are going to be on starships. I don’t know about starships but I do know, thanks to my wayward youth spent out on the Florida coast, about boats. I know how showers and toilets work on boats, and cooking, and how people adapt to tight quarters and limited storage space. We can work with that! (I also know how boats are money pits that demand constant expensive maintenance, and you’d better believe that’s finding a way into the narrative…) These are all details that can make an imaginary starship feel true to life, because they are true to life. And that’s the most important part of creating a fictional world: nailing down the details that make a reader feel like they could live there. Defining things like where people live, what they eat, and how they get around will serve you and your story more than a hundred pages about your world’s ancient history. I started by defining the setting in its broadest strokes. I had images in mind of an over-extended empire in collapse, lost technology and mysteries, and a lawless frontier that would make the perfect playground for my characters to explore (while getting in trouble, of course.) Instead of writing out thousands of years of history, I decided on the big beats of the timeline, the pivotal moments that shaped the setting into what it is. After some brainstorming, this boiled down into three key eras — the Age of Titans, the Age of Heroes, and the Age of Decadence and Ruin. Each age got a three paragraph writeup, summarizing the most important moments and events that the protagonists would be affected by. That’s it. Just three paragraphs each, maybe a couple of pages, for the history of the galaxy. When it comes to the big-strokes elements of your setting, gaps aren’t a sign of incomplete worldbuilding, they’re a powerful tool you can put to work later. Leave Some Gaps You know I’m an obsessive plotter. The last scene of the final Daniel Faust novel (which is still many books away) was written before the first book, because I needed a rock-solid vision of Daniel’s series arc. The cosmology of the universe, the nature of god, the heaven situation — none of that stuff was revealed to readers until the Wisdom’s Grave trilogy, but I wrote it all in my notes years beforehand, because I needed to know it. With all that said, you might think that every last corner of Daniel’s world has been documented to death. Nope! There are lots of wide-open spaces, waiting to be filled in — but only if/when they’re needed. For example, very early on I decided on the ins and outs of infernal politics; the machinations of the courts and princes are integral to the series, so I absolutely had to nail down how hell worked, its laws and customs, who holds what territory and where. But while Daniel travels a lot, he’s never left the United States, and that means I’ve left the infernal courts overseas as a blank slate. They don’t feature in any of the stories, so there’s no need to spend time figuring them out. That said, I’d love to bring the whole gang to Europe someday. When that happens, I’ll need to write up the local courts and influential demons, and most importantly I can create them to fit the needs of the story I want to tell (instead of bending the story to fit the pre-written lore.) Getting Specific When it comes to the details you really need to pin down, your characters will show you the way. Take a look at each of your main characters, one at a time, and make a list; you’re looking for any notable qualities about that character which demand background details. This is a brainstorming session, so just keep it casual and loose and jot down anything that leaps out at you. For example, here’s a partial (trimmed heavily for space and to avoid spoilers — the original is about four times this long) list I put together for one of our new protagonists: Mair Finley, co-pilot of the Second Chance. — “co-pilot” reminds me, we still need to decide/justify how faster-than-light travel works. Also, fuel. How much is needed, and how available is it? — augmentations from military service. How common are these things? — anti-rejection drugs: who makes them (brand name, or generic?), and how expensive/hard to get? This will tie into the ‘how common are augs’ question above. — Mair and Waylon both like to kick back with a drink when they’re off-duty; should come up with some notable brands and what they taste like. — sidearm: something big and reliable, she doesn’t go for the weird stuff. So probably a heavy pistol but we can jazz up the tech some. Electromagnetic propellant, maybe? Do some reading on speculative designs. — has a music collection; what’s the dominant recording medium in this world? Are there multiple standards? Music is universal, part of the human experience, really think about how it expresses and evolves across star systems — why did I say I would develop an entire new universe in one week, why do I do these things, I am not smart — pet fish? And just like that, you have a list of worldbuilding tasks that are actually relevant: stuff that you know you’ll put to good use, not just filler or busywork. Make a list for your entire cast and you’ll really be on your way! Also, it’s not uncommon for questions to lead to other questions, and that’s a good thing. (For instance, in my case, a question about local government led to a lot of pondering — and some heavy economic research — about the behavior of currencies in a collapsing regime. Definitely a detail that will be important in the story to come.) One Last Thing: All About Magic Systems Don’t. Seriously, though, I wrote up a whole thing for this section that devolved into a bit of a rant and there’s really no point; the very concept of “magic systems” puts my teeth on edge, but a lot of readers love them, the more detailed and mechanical the better. If you really want Cormac the Bold to power up his firebolt (which he can use twice per day, each bolt traveling a maximum of twenty feet and inflicting 3d6 damage) by infusing his aura with precisely three drops of purple mana and one drop of blue mana, go for it. Authors far, far more successful than me have gone that route. My personal taste is to keep my magic weird and, when I can, use it to reflect its wielders or the world they live in. Daniel Faust, Vegas magician and hustler, employs a deck of magical cards. The ever-rational scientist Savannah Cross turns the Mandelbrot Set into a lethal incantation while Nessa Fieri, befitting her essence as a fairy-tale villain, spins flesh into tortured glass. Assigning rules and mechanics and hows and whys to any of that would strip it of the, well…magic. But that’s me, you do you. In any event, just make sure that magic sits in its proper place: in service to the characters and their story. Readers should not come away knowing more about your magic system than they do about your protagonists’ inner lives, and they certainly shouldn’t care more about it. Thank You For Coming to My TED Talk So there you go; a few thoughts on worldbuilding, jotted down while I’m in the middle of doing just that. I hope that you found this useful, or illuminating, or at least interesting! And now, I’m getting back to work. This book won’t write itself, after all. Ninurta fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Sep 15, 2021 |
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Ninurta posted:— sidearm: something big and reliable, she doesn’t go for the weird stuff. So probably a heavy pistol but we can jazz up the tech some. Electromagnetic propellant, maybe? Do some reading on speculative designs. Great writeup, and I enjoyed reading it. And I will only comment on the one part of that I feel qualified in- I can assure you as an engineer and a scifi fan that nothing will ever be as ubiquitous as gunpowder based firearms for the next long long while. Modern small arms have been refined to the point where (as long as you are bound by known physics) there isn't anything better at killing in that size. Exotic weapons are very cool, and many of them actually not unrealistic on a long enough timeline, but due to mechanical limitations of material science its hard to make them small handhelds. Electromagnetic Minigun? Crew served weapon. Armor Piercing Xray Laser? Back of a truck. Gun that shoots smart missiles? Absolutely pocket sized.
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Thank god there’s an author who absolutely does not give a poo poo about Magic Systems.
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Ninurta posted:
Hard agree on this. I always say to friends I want to read a story not a TTRPG guide.
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Ninurta posted:the most recent was Faust-adjacent and ventured into his Multiverse. What's this now?
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Junkenstein posted:What's this now? He has Patreon where he's been writing and posting two chapters a week of new work. Highly recommend signing up. He also has been getting those chapters edited and released as well.
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DreamingofRoses posted:The new October Daye novel When Sorrows Come is dropping in eBook and hardback version on Tuesday. I’m torn on waiting for the audiobook, but it will give me time to do a reread. The audiobook was surprise-released yesterday, too. Fuckin' Audible…
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https://www.patreon.com/craigschaefer Probably this one. Aerdan posted:The audiobook was surprise-released yesterday, too. Fuckin' Audible… God damnit, I think they did that to spite me specifically, since couldn’t preorder it when I actually had credits. DreamingofRoses fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Sep 16, 2021 |
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If you are interested in more of Craig Schaefer's writing process I highly recommend signing up for his Patreon at the $2 a month tier. You also can read the Hungry Dreaming (Ghosts of Gotham setting) and he just wrapped up Any Minor World, which is Faust-adjacent/multiverse. The latter is pretty interesting as it starts off in the world of Noir York City, where zombies have taken over New Orleans and the Crime Boss Duke Ellery rules the city with an iron fist. Most of it takes place in the Faustverse but it has some interesting swings. Schaefer is also working on his next book to post on Patreon and he had his patrons vote on it, and the majority voted that his next project will be weird Sci-Fi. Craig Schaefer posted:Option three is something entirely different. My first stab at science fiction. Of course, I've flirted with those themes before (like the cross-dimensional jaunts in Detonation Boulevard), but this would be a whole new universe to explore. Now, I'm not a hard sci-fi kind of gal, and this would come with a healthy dose of fantasy and weirdness: think along the lines of Dune. The David Lynch version.
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So I’m about halfway through When Sorrows Come but I keep thinking about something that was mentioned off-hand earlier. Stacey Brown had to make a deal with something weird for her kids, right? Given that she doesn’t want any of them dating(one of whom is a grad student ffs), the extreme diversity of power, and the Luideag stepping in when the High Queen asked who claimed Cassandra’s bloodline something is up, right?
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DreamingofRoses posted:So I’m about halfway through When Sorrows Come but I keep thinking about something that was mentioned off-hand earlier. Stacey Brown had to make a deal with something weird for her kids, right? Given that she doesn’t want any of them dating(one of whom is a grad student ffs), the extreme diversity of power, and the Luideag stepping in when the High Queen asked who claimed Cassandra’s bloodline something is up, right? Yuuup, I assume. There was also a line where October was like, don't worry Stacy, only two of your kids are seers, we're only focused on them, and Stacy got extremely shifty in a way that makes me assume it'll be the focus on a book at some point. I could just read October Daye stuff forever- she's created a super comfortable, found-family focused type of fantasy that's equal parts fun and relaxing to read.
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OmniBeer posted:Yuuup, I assume. Ya know, I do feel a little bad for the dopple gangers who were involved in the evil plot. The just wanted a place to call their own, and if new york is poisonious to everyone else, why not let them set up shop in new york? Toby has learned to play nice with the pixies which are pests, so it would be nice if the dopplegangers got a little bit of sympathy now. I wouldn't be surpised if that's the direction October Daye books goes with them, given that the Incrypid series just made the coocoos (the only kill on sight monster) sympathic
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DreamingofRoses posted:So I’m about halfway through When Sorrows Come but I keep thinking about something that was mentioned off-hand earlier. Stacey Brown had to make a deal with something weird for her kids, right? Given that she doesn’t want any of them dating(one of whom is a grad student ffs), the extreme diversity of power, and the Luideag stepping in when the High Queen asked who claimed Cassandra’s bloodline something is up, right? I'm not entirely convinced she isn't going to turn out to be one of the missing queens, probably Titania.
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Well, I finished the book. I’m mad at myself because now I have to wait another year for the next one, but now all I can say is loving FINALLY
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OmniBeer posted:I could just read October Daye stuff forever- she's created a super comfortable, found-family focused type of fantasy that's equal parts fun and relaxing to read. Completely agree. Her series all feel inclusive but authentic at the same time. And they are just fun as you mention. The books are all just about the perfect length. They don’t overstay themselves but still have plenty of plot. Characters change and grow even 15 books later. I absolutely did not see Julie coming back and them making up but it makes sense considering everything that has happened. I guess after she pulled off Simon’s redemption, Julie’s was no big deal. I also appreciate that her world building actually serves the plot rather than it being there purely for world building sake. The world has progressively gotten larger over the series. We know a lot about some places that are relevant but there are a bunch of people and places that we still have 0 clue about. Tybalt is a really good example of this. We know exactly as much of his history is as relevant to his character, the people he interacts with, and the plot. He obviously has a long history with everyone but even his previous romance with September is reduced to a handful of off-hand comments across a dozen books. I can’t think of any other series that hasn’t poo poo itself at half the length. Verus had a really good run of it until the Jinn. Dresden always had issues but was improving for a while before a lot of weird and awful detours. Schaefer and Briggs are both still quality in a similar way though both significantly darker in tone.
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The Incryptid series is also really good. It's a bit looser and lot more fun and I like how it shifts the POV every couple books to a different member of the crazy-rear end Price family. The upcoming book, Spelunking Through Hell, is going to feature a character I've been dying to know more about, Grandma Alice. She's spent ages searching the planes for her lost husband and is described as crazy powerful with a hair-trigger temper and only a few fingertips holding onto her sanity. And everyone, from enemies to family, is terrified of setting her off. Oh and the Aeslin Mice crack me up every single scene they're in.
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So according to his Patreon, Schaefer had an accident and cut the gently caress out of his hand (he fell onto a glass he was holding)...and he's apologizing for it and trying to keep up with his writing anyway.
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StonecutterJoe posted:So according to his Patreon, Schaefer had an accident and cut the gently caress out of his hand (he fell onto a glass he was holding)...and he's apologizing for it and trying to keep up with his writing anyway. I've heard this story so often I feel like writers need someone to sit down and slap the keyboard out of their hand when they try to hurt themselves to finish a dumb book.
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Does Jim Butcher’s second Cinder Spires novel have a release date yet? Google suggests it’s right around the corner, but all of the linked websites say “no date announced”—but they’re also six to 36 months old.
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Deptfordx posted:How is that? I It was OK. It's been like 7 years so it's hard to recall details, but the setting was pretty cool. If you didn't like Codex Alera I doubt you'll enjoy it unless airship combat is really your thing though.
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Darkrenown posted:It was OK. It's been like 7 years so it's hard to recall details, but the setting was pretty cool. If you didn't like Codex Alera I doubt you'll enjoy it unless airship combat is really your thing though. Depending on what they bounced hard with CA, they might still like this. One thing is that unlike CA rape, slavery and rape-slavery weren't present, at least in this first book that I noticed.
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Yikes, I don't remember much about CA besides the general Roman Pokemons and the rather dull "kids with no powers has to be smarter" -> "kid finally gets powers and is pretty good at it" -> "flying dragonball z style final fight" progression. I just meant the writing wasn't noticeably better. VVV: Well, thanks for reminding me, but also I hope to forget this again soon. Darkrenown fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Oct 3, 2021 |
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Darkrenown posted:Yikes, I don't remember much about CA besides the general Roman Pokemons and the rather dull "kids with no powers has to be smarter" -> "kid finally gets powers and is pretty good at it" -> "flying dragonball z style final fight" progression. I just meant the writing wasn't noticeably better. One of the gimmicks was that one of the Pokemon had the power to make people incredibly horny against their will and there was at least one couple that was pushed together by the horny-making Pokemon. The fact I have to type that sentence is a problem all on its own even putting aside that the way Dresden has developed makes it clear that Butcher thinks that kind of stuff is hot instead of really uncomfortable. (See: The vast majority of the White Court writing.)
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ImpAtom posted:I've heard this story so often I feel like writers need someone to sit down and slap the keyboard out of their hand when they try to hurt themselves to finish a dumb book. Thankfully, it wasn't book related, but was still a Schaefer injury. He was on the stairs with a glass of water, tripped and put out the wrong hand to break his fall. So, hopefully he bought a copy of Dragon Naturally Speaking.
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Re: Cinder Spires, it’s not the worst thing I’ve read, by far, but it doesn’t hit the same highs that Dresden has—on the other hand, it is just the first book in the series. I didn’t particularly care for the two “main” characters of Grimm and Gwen. The cats were awesome, and I want to spend more time with Folly and the other etherealists. I’m definitely down to read book two, but it would help to know when I can read it.
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