Centrist Committee posted:

Whats the china version of tankie I want to be called that

Centrist Committee posted:

Whats the china version of tankie I want to be called that

hot witch divorcee posted:

haters and ultras stay mad

hot witch divorcee posted:

wumao

Stringent posted:

link doesn't work on mobile

Red and Black posted:

dead gay comedy forums posted:

lol deng thought that mao got "just mostly right" and his ideas only succeeded because mao (and zhou) were totally right

some of the poo poo he pulled was gorbachev levels of idiocy

R. Guyovich posted:

genuinely think the advent of "leftist" youtube guys, twitch streamers and podcasters has done more to throttle whatever socialist movement could have existed post-trump election than whatever cointelpro stuff the fbi's been cooking up.

i don't need to do any real political action, i can just watch the yell guy and regurgitate whatever the yell guy yells!

R. Guyovich posted:

genuinely think the advent of "leftist" youtube guys, twitch streamers and podcasters has done more to throttle whatever socialist movement could have existed post-trump election than whatever cointelpro stuff the fbi's been cooking up.

i don't need to do any real political action, i can just watch the yell guy and regurgitate whatever the yell guy yells!

Red and Black posted:

So this youtube guy, "Adam Something", who makes videos about why Elon Musk is dumb and skyscrapers are bad, etc made a post on his channel to own his "tankie" followers. Essentially he argues that the USSR was almost the fourth axis power during WW2 and that Stalin was just red Hitler. Funnily enough this has caused a massive backlash from his followers who are basically ripping his argument to shreds. This includes many people who aren't fans of the USSR. Pretty entertaining stuff

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvfHa-GHSOHFAjU0-Ie57A/community?lb=UgynFDQAp2yOAsOclsd4AaABCQ

AnimeIsTrash posted:

If you ever look up any of their histories, it's almost always they were ex reactionaries.

R. Guyovich posted:

genuinely think the advent of "leftist" youtube guys, twitch streamers and podcasters has done more to throttle whatever socialist movement could have existed post-trump election than whatever cointelpro stuff the fbi's been cooking up.

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

to celebrate the return of r guy, i'm presenting this flower basket. but it's also for everyone and i think it can really help beautify the thread

mark immune posted:

"leftist" youtube guys, twitch streamers and podcasters ARE the cointelpro stuff the fbi's been cooking up

lumpentroll posted:

https://twitter.com/UneasyChair/status/1439107678165291008

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

there's no way to know what proportion, but we know a federally-funded shitposting army exists - hell we have a whole forum dedicated to them one line above ours - so it seems reasonable to assume that some of these are cointelpro poo poo cooked up by the fbi

Raskolnikov38 posted:

i think its just the innate fascism of hungarian society rewriting history since it was known as the happiest barracks on earth during the cold war due to goulash communism

1stGear posted:

so how hard did the cia kill this dude

mila kunis posted:

kotkin's anti-communist account of the russian revolution is pretty good, while also sounding like perennially aggrieved twitch streamer kripparian

"Most political figures who succeed on a dizzying trajectory almost always do so by cobbling broad coalitions, often with very unlikely bedfellows, but not Lenin. He succeeded despite refusing cooperation and creating ever more enemies. Of course, he cultivated allies among the class of professional revolutionaries, loyalists such as Trotsky, Sverdlov, and Stalin. Lenin’s torrent of polemical theses further enhanced his power, first among revolutionaries, who in turn popularized Lenin’s intellectual as well as political standing among the mass. Lenin proved a master of the abusive, pithy phrase, and of the crude, sweeping analysis of developments and rationale for revolution.281 But whatever Lenin’s charisma and encapsulation talents, much of his power would derive from events going his way. Again and again, he stubbornly insisted on what appeared to be a crazy course of action, which then worked to his advantage"

"The Left SR episode put in sharp relief Lenin’s coup seven months earlier in October 1917. Just as in 1917, so in summer 1918, power was there for the seizing: The Left SRs enjoyed no worse prospects against Lenin and the Bolsheviks than Lenin had had against Kerensky. The Left SRs served in and had seized full control over the Cheka, won over much of the garrison by agitation, and possessed Kremlin passes, including to the Imperial Senate, where Lenin had his office.328 But the Left SRs lacked something critical: will. Lenin was fanatically committed to seizing and holding power, and his will had proved decisive in the Bolshevik coup, just as its absence now proved decisive in the Left SR non-coup. Lenin had relentlessly pursued personal power, though not for power’s sake: he, too, was moved by visions of social justice via revolution, as well as an allegedly scientific (Marxist) conviction in his rightness, even as he continued to strike many contemporaries as mad.329 But all along, Lenin had gotten lucky"

"Later, Trotsky, for all his Marxist invocation of the supposed laws of history, would feel constrained to admit that without Lenin, there would have been no October Revolution.282 Lenin, for his part, never made explicit that the same held true for his indispensable handmaiden Trotsky. But others did so. “I tell you what we do with such people,” the despairing military attache of liberal Britain, General Alfred Knox, had said of Lenin and Trotsky to an American Red Cross official. “We shoot them.” This was on October 20, the eve of what turned out to be the predicted Bolshevik coup. The Red Cross official, ostensibly wiser, had replied, “But you are up against several million. General, I am not a military man. But you are not up against a military situation.”283 In fact, the Red Cross official was wrong: he confused the assumption of power by the Second Congress of Soviets, which had become unavoidable, with the assumption of power by the Bolsheviks alone. The Bolshevik putsch could have been prevented by a pair of bullets."