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So Chinese real estate (Evergrande) is about to default without bail to the schad of many a canuck buyer And Trudeau hung on with a minority govt likely to coalition with the New Dems? Feels like a great week for Canada? Maybe?
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Sep 21, 2021 11:31
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Grouchio posted:So Chinese real estate (Evergrande) is about to default without bail to the schad of many a canuck buyer That's the situation we were in prior to the election, so it's mostly seems to be status quo for 4 more years.
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Sep 21, 2021 12:03
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Ignore this definite not early morning double post
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Sep 21, 2021 12:33
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Pleads posted:No, but 600,000 people voted for them. You can't make them wear that muzzle etc. They're exempt!!!!! Starsfan posted:Kenney is viewed in Alberta as an embarrassing / incompetent clown by a large number of UPC voters. Everything he's touched has went to poo poo. The portion of the voter base that is fanatically anti-vaxx may think he has sold out to the global conspiracy. My guess is the constant bleat against him by the National Post and Sun Media and how it's basically the newspaper of choice in every coffee shop and Subway around the country I've ever visited eventually just gets to people whether they notice it or not because I hear a poo poo ton about how people her in Ontario really really hate Justin Trudeau and want him gone but not a whole lot of specific reasons as to why. That's like the common refrain of the Conservative voter though and hard to argue with most of them that I've talked to because they don't really know what they are arguing about. It's almost never a vote FOR the PC or CPC but a vote against Trudeau who is just the absolute worst and so on. Also any time I've googled anything particularly Canadian politics related in the past year or so but not a specific outlet it almost always put a right-biased Sun or National Post article right at the top couple of results and it's almost always some editorial about how Trudeau sucks, Singh sucks and O'Toole is the only good choice. There's just lots of ways for the uninformed but easily motivated by outrage voter to hear about how he is the just the absolute worst out there and needs to go. Kale fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Sep 21, 2021 |
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Sep 21, 2021 12:33
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Kale posted:You can't make them wear that muzzle etc. They're exempt!!!!! I agree with this, the right wing propaganda machine had become very strong at demonizing liberal and left politicians. I think liberals need to come to terms with rotating leaders every few election cycles, because they wont be able to stay popular.
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Sep 21, 2021 12:48
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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss No big surprises here in Atlantic Canada. There’s a small chance that Halifax might go NDP, ~1300 votes between Andy Fillmore and Lisa Roberts. Otherwise, lots of urban red and rural blue. In other news, masks are mandatory again in New Brunswick starting tomorrow, and PEI brought them back last Friday. Gonna be surprised if NS sticks to their plan to end masking etc. on Oct 4. Long-term care remains a shitshow in NS, with a bunch of nursing homes refusing admissions. Some places are so short-staffed they’re paying $3500+ signing bonuses for CCAs. Sounds like it’s gonna get worse before it gets better
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Sep 21, 2021 13:08
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Who the gently caress wants to work in an LTC home right now? Everyone's desperate for workers and you can probably get a job at some fast food restaurants that pay as much as a LTC home would. I'd rather put up with boomer bullshit while handling their lovely food than putting up with boomer bullshit while handling their literal poo poo.
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Sep 21, 2021 13:26
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So Atwin, Noormohamed and Vuong are all likely to win. What a sad shitshow. Monster losing isn't nearly satisfying enough.
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Sep 21, 2021 14:24
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SoggyBobcat posted:Just got off a 17.5 hour shift as a central poll supervisor in Surrey-Central, the kindly old lady representative for the NDP candidate said it was one of the most organized counts she ever attended, really made it all worth it. This is my riding and I appreciate you
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Sep 21, 2021 14:29
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EvilJoven posted:Who the gently caress wants to work in an LTC home right now? Everyone's desperate for workers and you can probably get a job at some fast food restaurants that pay as much as a LTC home would. I'd rather put up with boomer bullshit while handling their lovely food than putting up with boomer bullshit while handling their literal poo poo. She was having to pronounce people dead and handle the bodies because the doctors and funeral home staff were refusing to come into the LTC. So her and the other nurses had to bag up the bodies and carry them out to the loading dock. Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Sep 21, 2021 |
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Sep 21, 2021 14:29
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Calumanjaro posted:I agree with this, the right wing propaganda machine had become very strong at demonizing liberal and left politicians. I think liberals need to come to terms with rotating leaders every few election cycles, because they wont be able to stay popular. A "No-Wynne situation", if you will
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Sep 21, 2021 14:30
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I sure am glad we had this election so that we could shuffle around 1-2 seats per party. What a great investment. Now Trudeau can really get through all those great things he wants to do but couldn't before. My riding delivered a stunning rebuke to the Liberals by giving Mona Fortier only 49% of the vote this time around.
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Sep 21, 2021 14:33
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MatchaZed posted:Hi five, fellow CPS. The count wasn't as organized as I would have liked, but 17 hours only. MatchaZed posted:Hi five, fellow CPS. The count wasn't as organized as I would have liked, but 17 hours only. Wistful of Dollars posted:I didn't know you could retire to Banff. I thought you had to work there to live there or something. PittTheElder posted:Yeah I don't think you can either. But loads of them in Canmore just outside the park boundary. Thanks for the education, I didn't know that. Trudeau is hated in Alberta for 3 "reasons": He's the son of PET, some vague pipelines/O&G anger (even though he's apparently spent more money on the sector according to some CBC article I can't find anymore) and the fact he was a Drama Teacher, which is bad for some reason.
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Sep 21, 2021 14:39
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I got a bit of schadenfreude this morning on the bus here in Saint John. This riding is the only one in the southern NB that went Lib instead of Con (I voted NDP). Watching boomers on the bus bitch about the situation made me feel pretty good to start the morning.
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Sep 21, 2021 14:50
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Canadian electoral system, greatest in world! BC: quote:Liberals: 26.8% - 15 seats Ontario: quote:Liberals: 38.9% - 78 seats much democracy very popular! Typo fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Sep 21, 2021 |
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Sep 21, 2021 14:57
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So in the end O’Toole actually won a few less seats than Scheer lol
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Sep 21, 2021 14:58
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based on personal observation (from listening to campaign ads on radio) Tories focused way way too much on Trudeau bad man. While that did work for like a couple of weeks the voters seem to be apathetic after that
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Sep 21, 2021 14:59
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ZeeBoi posted:So in the end O’Toole actually won a few less than Scheer lol there's still some seats where vote counting isn't done he might end up with the exact same number
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Sep 21, 2021 15:00
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Typo posted:based on personal observation (from listening to campaign ads on radio) Tories focused way way too much on Trudeau bad man. While that did work for like a couple of weeks the voters seem to be apathetic after that Yeah, I think that Conservatives (or at least their leadership) has become so insular that they only talk to people who hate Trudeau with the blazing heat of a 1,000 suns and are once again this morning trying to figure out how they lost if everyone hates Trudeau so much.
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Sep 21, 2021 15:02
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Typo posted:based on personal observation (from listening to campaign ads on radio) Tories focused way way too much on Trudeau bad man. While that did work for like a couple of weeks the voters seem to be apathetic after that
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Sep 21, 2021 15:04
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MakaVillian posted:Thanks for the education, I didn't know that. This is because they know they can't call him gay anymore.
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Sep 21, 2021 15:05
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Looks like the NDP got locked out in the GTA again looking at some sample ridings Scarboough Centre: 14% this election (so far), down from 30% in 2011 Toronto Centre: 25% (so far), down from 36% in 2013 Beaches-East York: 23% so far, down from 41% (!!) in 2011 I know the NDP is going to try to hide behind the "Trudeau called a pointless election" narrative but this is loving sad Not sure what the point of this party is if they can't even win anything in dense urban cores full of renters and skyrocketing costs of housing that should be their bread and butter electorate
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Sep 21, 2021 15:05
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Still in the orange dot in the prairie.  So the big question. to 22 minutes tonight or not?
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Sep 21, 2021 15:06
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Another Bill posted:Yeah, I think that Conservatives (or at least their leadership) has become so insular that they only talk to people who hate Trudeau with the blazing heat of a 1,000 suns and are once again this morning trying to figure out how they lost if everyone hates Trudeau so much. As an aside, the fact that climate change and women’s rights are listed as “progressive valises” and the CPC isn’t listed as a part to vote for if you support those things is rather telling. mila kunis posted:Not sure what the point of this party is if they can't even win anything in dense urban cores full of renters and skyrocketing costs of housing that should be their bread and butter electorate Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Sep 21, 2021 |
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Sep 21, 2021 15:07
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mila kunis posted:Looks like the NDP got locked out in the GTA again Every homeowner in Toronto is at least 200k richer than they were in 2019. That's your smoking gun.
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Sep 21, 2021 15:08
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home owners are on avg much older and much more likely to vote than a renter
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Sep 21, 2021 15:26
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Typo posted:home owners are on avg much older and much more likely to vote than a renter It was also a hell of a lot easier to vote as a renter in previous non-COVID elections what with a lot of buildings having polling stations.
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Sep 21, 2021 15:36
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 Reddit produces good stuff on occasion.
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Sep 21, 2021 15:37
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mila kunis posted:Looks like the NDP got locked out in the GTA again So think a bit about the shifting demographics here: As another poster explained, renters aren't active voters the way homeowners are and typically trend younger which also depresses their vote. But there's more. Look at Toronto Centre: In the 1990s and early 2000s most of the stuff east of Yonge St in Toronto Centre was poor and working class neighborhoods. Everything south of Adelaide was industrial railway lands, office towers and non-residential property. You've got stuff like Cabbage Town and some really run down areas that used to have people living in dedicated 1960s-1980s era rental towers. Community housing, homeless shelters, addiction recovery clinics etc etc. Like the overall demographics of Toronto Centre were once heavily impoverished relative to wealthier suburban outskirts. The people with money commuted into town by subway, go train or car. Now these areas are HEAVILY gentrified. The old railway lands have been repurposed into hip new amenities and condos. There's condos everywhere. The last 20 years has seen the poorer areas being repurposed and gentrified into higher income vertical living spaces for people who want that Toronto lifestyle where everything is easily accessible and they just sleep in the condos. Meanwhile any homeowners who stuck it out got a nice equity boost and either cashed out or are now in a better position financially that a lot of what the NDP has to offer doesn't really benefit them personally anymore so they've skewed liberal. That leaves us with the renters. Many of these renters are upper income professionals working in financial services, tech and other fields of employment that pay at minimum more than 60k per year and though a lot of their income goes into rent they have good credit, families that bail them out financially and generally are working in fields where ideologically they believe there is a market solution to the housing crisis and thus they're more likely to be liberal than NDP. A similar mechanic is playing out in the other ridings you mentioned. Plus more affluent people demolishing old homes and rebuilding little McMansions. Don't get me wrong, the material conditions here are getting dire for people but many of them are still in that market liberal/socially liberal professionals mindset which makes them ideal for parties like the Liberal party. It's not so different from historical trends where centrist pro-democracy free market liberals trended popular with more affluent urban voters while the urban poor leaned hard socialist. Simply put we're either enriching (via equity) or spreading out the left wing NDP vote from Toronto into surrounding regions. I fully expect Liberals to start picking up seats in Hamilton if current demographic trends persist and the professionals and the companies that employ them start invading downtown Hamilton. Already home prices in Hamilton are exceeding the price of homes in Los Angeles. EDIT: If the housing crisis continues unabated, all major parties will begin offering increasingly radical solutions to fix the problem because it'll affect social stability. At that point the party who can sell the best policy is the party who will win a big mandate to deal with the crisis... They're still trying to kick the can down the road. Barring a massive market implosion (which the current ruling party will be holding the bag for) any party could win an election in future if the housing problem gets so far out of hand and they have the most convincing solution to it. So in short, if the NDP can't convince people they can solve the coming turbo housing crisis but the Tories decide to pull a realpolitik and do something to fix it, they could just as easily sweep Toronto and other areas as people break party lines to serve their self interest. Kraftwerk fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Sep 21, 2021 |
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Sep 21, 2021 17:07
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Kraftwerk posted:So think a bit about the shifting demographics here: Good post and that makes sense, thanks.
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Sep 21, 2021 17:25
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Scott Moe currently throwing a temper tantrum that Trudeau won and isn't helping Saskatchewan enough with vaccinations.
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Sep 21, 2021 18:05
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How many seats total changed parties?
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Sep 21, 2021 18:05
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Arc Hammer posted:Scott Moe currently throwing a temper tantrum that Trudeau won and isn't helping Saskatchewan enough with vaccinations. maybe he should instead be freaking out about the maskless event Bernier held with his PPC flock last night
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Sep 21, 2021 18:10
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Spring Break My Heart posted:How many seats total changed parties? So far it's on track to have no party change more than 2 seats plus or minus. Kind of impressive to be honest. Maybe Canada will settle into a forever government with the minority-emperor Trudeau.
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Sep 21, 2021 18:10
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My riding in Coquitlam flipped from Conservative to NDP so  .
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Sep 21, 2021 18:12
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Doug Ford has emerged from hidingquote:Doug Ford congratulated Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on winning Monday's election in an open letter before saying it was a contentious campaign. quote:"COVID-19 doesn't care about partisanship or politics and I will continue to work closely with the Prime Minister." lol okay there dougie https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/covid-19-ontario-september-21-2021-update-1.6183763
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Sep 21, 2021 18:12
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In which the coward Douglas Ford judges which way the wind is blowing
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Sep 21, 2021 18:13
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Arc Hammer posted:Scott Moe currently throwing a temper tantrum that Trudeau won and isn't helping Saskatchewan enough with vaccinations. Isn't the problem 100% demand at this point? I feel like supply has been plentiful for months now...
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Sep 21, 2021 18:14
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:Isn't the problem 100% demand at this point? I feel like supply has been plentiful for months now... The problem is Scott Moe needs to blame Trudeau for something and there's no reason it needs to be something that's actually his fault or responsibility.
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Sep 21, 2021 18:17
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Capri Sunrise posted:So far it's on track to have no party change more than 2 seats plus or minus. Kind of impressive to be honest. Maybe they'll be comfortable with their seat count and work together without fear of losing their voter base. lol
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