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ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

R. Guyovich posted:

genuinely think the advent of "leftist" youtube guys, twitch streamers and podcasters has done more to throttle whatever socialist movement could have existed post-trump election than whatever cointelpro stuff the fbi's been cooking up.

i don't need to do any real political action, i can just watch the yell guy and regurgitate whatever the yell guy yells!

this is true but in the same respect that you can trade around a funny garfield meme and follow "you are not immune to propaganda" with "except me" i.e. this subforum writ large

furthermore,

Halloween Jack posted:

I swear, every time I see some European making a "The Soviets were just as bad or worse" argument, it's a Hungarian. Khrushchev didn't send enough tanks.

ded redd has issued a correction as of 11:54 on Sep 19, 2021

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ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

1stGear posted:

so how hard did the cia kill this dude

sankara took an axe to illiteracy and poverty in the country and now it's just a permanent bombing ground for the french

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Doctor Jeep posted:

i'm imagining him writing this with clenched teeth and steam coming out of his ears

"lenin got lucky"

my favorite part of the russian revolution is the hotter-than-a-sun's-core take about how absolute poo poo the conditions were yet there was absolutely no competence involved whatsoever, lenin got lucky

(especially if great men of history pov is involved)

Stockwell
Mar 29, 2005
Ask me about personal watercraft.

Red and Black posted:

https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...634122-amp.html

This article is amazing. It’s all about large numbers of Germans who wholly reject the portrayal of the GDR as an especially oppressive state. Spiegel of course tries to spin them as a bunch of cranks

Appears to me that the interviewer is invalidating the subject's lived experiences. Hmmmmmm very problematic.

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!
GDR propably was an hellish experience if you were an anticommunist dissident and STASI found out.

But most people weren't. Like in the west, most people really want to work, have a home and meaningful relationships. And I think third is much easier if two firsts are secured by society.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

it’s true

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Stockwell posted:

Appears to me that the interviewer is invalidating the subject's lived experiences. Hmmmmmm very problematic.

amazing article

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Fish of hemp posted:

GDR propably was an hellish experience if you were an anticommunist dissident and STASI found out.

you need to break a few eggs to prevent the slippery slope of Capital. the eggs number a fraction of what is required to fuel and defend the Blood Machine

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

lol

cenotaph
Mar 2, 2013



Speaking of the GDR, I thought this documentary series was quite good. It's in German but the subtitles are good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkk-HlEJn-I

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

Red and Black posted:

https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...634122-amp.html

This article is amazing. It’s all about large numbers of Germans who wholly reject the portrayal of the GDR as an especially oppressive state. Spiegel of course tries to spin them as a bunch of cranks

quote:

Klaus Schroeder, 59, director of an institute at Berlin's Free University that studies the former communist state … warns against efforts to downplay the SED dictatorship by young people whose knowledge about the GDR is derived mainly from family conversations, and not as much from what they have learned in school. "Not even half of young people in eastern Germany describe the GDR as a dictatorship, and a majority believe the Stasi was a normal intelligence service," Schroeder concluded

hmm yes, it is a problem to be learning from direct experience instead of pre-chewed opinions for babies

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


the gdr was so loving awful that, among many other things, it had lgbtq bars and they could do organization and education in public places. like churches, for example

the unabonger
Jun 21, 2009
Lol, black hammer keeps delivering:

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exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Fish of hemp posted:

GDR propably was an hellish experience if you were an anticommunist dissident and STASI found out.

just don't be anticommunist???

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Hahahahahahahaha How The gently caress Is Stasi Real Hahahaha Just Walk Away From Capitalism Like Don't Be Anticommunist Haha

Anime Bernie Bro
Feb 4, 2020

FUCK MY ASSHOLE, LOL

gradenko_2000 posted:

Hahahahahahahaha How The gently caress Is Stasi Real Hahahaha Just Walk Away From Capitalism Like Don't Be Anticommunist Haha

extremely based take

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

quote:

The questions of Hong Kong and Macao were easier, although they too posed their own difficulties, particularly Hong Kong. There was no need to worry about Macao since the Portuguese themselves had repeatedly offered to return the island to the PRC and in 1979 even reached an appropriate understanding with the Chinese, which, to be sure, was kept secret. Deng was waiting for a propitious moment to announce it. But he did not succeed in quickly resolving the problem with the British. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher of the United Kingdom thought that Hong Kong was “a unique example of successful Sino-British co-operation,” and that a declaration about returning it to the PRC would have a “disastrous effect” since the people in the colony feared the communists and would immediately take their capital out. Unlike the Chinese Nationalists on Taiwan, the British position was weak. In 1997 the ninety-nine-year lease on the greater part of Hong Kong, known as the New Territories, would expire. This region was the agricultural appendage of Hong Kong, and without it the multimillion-population city simply could not exist.

Knowing this, Deng was very tough in his negotiations with Thatcher in September 1982. “We shall face the disaster squarely and make a new policy decision,” he noted, not without humor, thereby signaling China’s resolve to reclaim Hong Kong whether or not the British agreed to hand it over. With this ill-concealed threat, he asserted that the Chinese could enter Hong Kong in a few hours, whenever they pleased.63

Thatcher retained the most unpleasant memories of Deng. In addition to his peremptory manner, like many Chinese of his generation who were inveterate smokers he was constantly spitting into a nearby brass spittoon. (He habitually did this, not only with Thatcher, although he knew it was impolite. “I have three vices,” he said in a frank moment, “I drink, I spit, and I smoke.”64) The Iron Lady was so shaken by what she had heard and seen that, when exiting the NPC building where the negotiations were held, and obviously upset, she suddenly slipped and fell on her left knee. TV cameramen recorded her fall, and broadcast this embarrassing episode to the whole world, accompanied by caustic comments such as “Obviously, Thatcher suffered a crushing defeat in the negotiations.”65

This was an accurate assessment. By the end of September 1984, the Chinese and British diplomats had worked out all the details, and in mid-December Thatcher, who had returned to China, signed with Zhao Ziyang the so-called Joint Declaration on the question of Hong Kong, which indicated the return of the city to China in 1997, precisely on Deng’s terms.

lmao loving owned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh1N1GIYxDw

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

gradenko_2000 posted:

Hahahahahahahaha How The gently caress Is Stasi Real Hahahaha Just Walk Away From Capitalism Like Don't Be Anticommunist Haha

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

lol

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

gradenko_2000 posted:

Hahahahahahahaha How The gently caress Is Stasi Real Hahahaha Just Walk Away From Capitalism Like Don't Be Anticommunist Haha

lmao

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy

https://youtu.be/XYGDocsi0Mo

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020
the sudden fascination with 'chairman gonzalo' by canadian ultras has been one of the weirder political things of 2021, does anybody know where that actually came from??

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





quote:

Oddly, the idea of opening the back door for negotiations with the CPC never appears in the body of any of the cabinet transcripts themselves, but only in the margins of Thatcher's personal parliamentary briefings. Here, the phrase "open the back door for negotiations with the CPC" is written in Thatcher's own hand, often underlined, or followed by mass exclamation marks, as if to remind the femme ferrous that she must follow up the idea later. And yet there never seems to be any obvious relationship between the idea of opening the back door for negotiations with the CPC and the content of the printed texts the handwritten recommendations append.

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MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





Judge Dredd Scott posted:

the sudden fascination with 'chairman gonzalo' by canadian ultras has been one of the weirder political things of 2021, does anybody know where that actually came from??
other than he died?

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020
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The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

this month gonzalo next month garfield, again

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

The Voice of Labor posted:

this month gonzalo next month garfield, again

hot witch divorcee
Jan 4, 2021

is that a tower in your pants or are you just happy to see me
gonzolo: actually a monster, basically a cartoon caricature by a right winger of a communist

ultras: yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
It's hilarious to me that we just allow Gonzaloites to call Gonzaloism Maoism. Like why do we do that.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Fish of hemp posted:

GDR propably was an hellish experience if you were an anticommunist dissident and STASI found out.

But most people weren't. Like in the west, most people really want to work, have a home and meaningful relationships. And I think third is much easier if two firsts are secured by society.
seemed fun. good times for all but it had a certain "design-by-committee" vibe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvEzFW_pH1g

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 16:57 on Sep 21, 2021

hot witch divorcee
Jan 4, 2021

is that a tower in your pants or are you just happy to see me
i love how under socialism even nerdy edurap poo poo whips

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

seemed fun. good times for all but it had a certain "design-by-committee" vibe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvEzFW_pH1g

I notice that all the GRD songs I've ever heard have a part about the USSR. Actually, I looked it up and that song predates the GDR, but still:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYJmGaBMQJ8

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/HenryKrinkIe/status/1381056395211124739

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/SpiritofLenin/status/1440351500299952133

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

Deified Data posted:

It's hilarious to me that we just allow Gonzaloites to call Gonzaloism Maoism. Like why do we do that.

imperialist capitalism is so foul that anyone who fights against it gets a participation trophy, no matter how foul they themselves are.


case in point, the taliban is a gross regressive theocracy. no one was all that upset that they reclaimed afghanistan because 1:, in the absence of global communism, self determination is by default very good and 2: the united states is also a gross regressive theocracy

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020
got reminded of louis proyect's amazon reviews. rip.

https://twitter.com/Rhizzone_Txt/status/888195822155780096

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Also, all joking aside, Deng was right.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Ardennes posted:

Also, all joking aside, Deng was right.

there was that post about "who was the most influential leftist leader of the last 50 years" and barely anyone acknowledged Deng (who was right)

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
considering mao still falls into the 50 year time span why would anyone pick deng

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