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i ended up voting for Gloria La Riva too. what did she do that was TERFy?
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Sep 26, 2021 04:14
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someone called her "cis" and she flipped out with a "how dare you, i am a marginalized latino woman" i don't think shes a terf, i just think she's a boomer who didn't even know what cis meant and has whatever personality disorder that would make someone react that way
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Sep 26, 2021 04:21
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PSL campaigned for Gavin Newsom in the recall, right?
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Sep 26, 2021 04:22
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bedpan posted:PSL campaigned for Gavin Newsom in the recall, right? https://twitter.com/MikePrysner/status/1432487574816243714
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Sep 26, 2021 04:27
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Oof. I'd feel like I wasted a lot of time in the theory classes if what followed was organizing and door knocking for mainstream liberals.
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Sep 26, 2021 04:32
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runaway pancake posted:i ended up voting for Gloria La Riva too. what did she do that was TERFy? I can't find the tweets but there was basically an argument between a trans member of PSL and La Riva. PSL dealt with it in very culty way that made the trans member feel very uncomfortable. bedpan posted:Oof. I'd feel like I wasted a lot of time in the theory classes if what followed was organizing and door knocking for mainstream liberals. Revolutionary communists lmao
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Sep 26, 2021 04:56
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cool respirator...seeing one in the wild is a unique moment
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Sep 26, 2021 04:56
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I actually caught the tail end of a psl event today here in the city. They seemed friendly enough and handed me a couple pamphlets, one entitled "how will the police be abolished? A marxist perspective". I read all 12 pages and had to say I was pleasantly surprised. Zero succ content. Even had a section stating the point of electoral stuff isn't to win office, it's more to propaganda it up and get people pissed. Maybe California PSL is just cursed by living in the beating heart of neoliberalism.
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Sep 26, 2021 04:56
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Wow, im really happy to hear that the PSL's fliers had zero succ content.
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Sep 26, 2021 05:31
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With that said, it is true that california is the heart of this devil nation and all evil things come from there
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Sep 26, 2021 05:32
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:someone called her "cis" and she flipped out with a "how dare you, i am a marginalized latino woman" yeah it is less that she is a jk rowling acolyte and more it is kind of hurtful that so many trans people made time and space for her, but she apparently can't be assed to take a moment to recognize the struggle of these same people who work close to and with her. there are still many people in the psl doing great work, and la riva will probably come around to realize this too, but it's the kind of personal slight that will color a personal decision, you know?
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Sep 26, 2021 17:01
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i’ve found some good marxists in local dsa i hope to learn from in the coming months
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Sep 26, 2021 17:09
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PSL is the only socialist group I've seen at my local climate marches, make of that what you will
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Sep 26, 2021 17:17
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hot witch divorcee posted:yeah it is less that she is a jk rowling acolyte and more it is kind of hurtful that so many trans people made time and space for her, but she apparently can't be assed to take a moment to recognize the struggle of these same people who work close to and with her. there are still many people in the psl doing great work, and la riva will probably come around to realize this too, but it's the kind of personal slight that will color a personal decision, you know? more specifically she said authoritatively that there was no trans bigotry in the psl, at all, anywhere, in response to people asking her to look into it basically lol. so she's not really a transphobe so much as an out of touch idiot. honestly, and maybe this is a bad take, but the worst part is someone who calls themselves a Marxist and has been a union organizer for a billion years ever thought they'd actually know the details of the entire org. PSL isn't all that huge, but in any group larger than like 10 people, stuff like that is gonna be hidden from leadership even if it gets handled at the local level and not encouraged or ignored. nobody ever wants to look bad to the boss especially on the small stuff, so you'd wonder why some one who should really, really know better would think they have perfect vision of such a situation. especially when someone already told them they were wrong. i don't think that's transphobic so much as just being an ancient idiot boomer, even if it's one of our ancient idiot boomers.
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Sep 26, 2021 18:11
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but I got like 3 days or a week or something for posting 'lol' to that original situation so maybe amazing mastermind and leftist thought leader Squizzle can come in and tell us why that's transphobia and not being stupid
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Sep 26, 2021 18:12
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seems sorta bad maybe, but more like gotcha idpol from both sides?
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Sep 26, 2021 18:37
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that was basically my take. too vocal and militant about fighting specifically transphobia, and it looks like the org is abandoning class structure for a liberal context. not vocal enough and you sound like yet another boomer who doesn't realize their stuck in the past. which is why i was more bothered about her assuming she knew everything than anything else; just because it's a Marxist org doesn't mean it's not flawed, and a statement like that sounds like you think it's perfect, which is inherently bad Marxism. the only way we can do Marxism is by constant vigilance and iteration.
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Sep 26, 2021 18:40
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bristol cool chart posted:that was basically my take. too vocal and militant about fighting specifically transphobia, and it looks like the org is abandoning class structure for a liberal context. not vocal enough and you sound like yet another boomer who doesn't realize their stuck in the past. yeah that seems like a fair assessment
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Sep 26, 2021 18:47
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Watched a limited release of an interview from last year with the now 90 year old Gorbachev in his dacha outside of Moscow. It's worth watching if you can find a copy of it. It can be summed up as "old man unable to admit his mistakes without being overwhelmed by regret and remorse". Every time the question comes to his specific role or actions in the collapse of the USSR he evades the question or fades into nostalgic memories. He claims he never intended the collapse and doesn't understand how it got out of hand. The only mistake he admits to is not side-lining Yeltsin sooner. He also doesn't seem to understand why he was rewarded afterwards, how he has 6 staff to look after him and why he was paid so much after the collapse to travel the world and speak at conferences. He played his role and is now abandoned, and he knows it even if he won't outright admit it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHYNztEofmY
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Sep 26, 2021 19:04
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yr new gurlfrand! posted:He also doesn't seem to understand why he was rewarded afterwards, how he has 6 staff to look after him and why he was paid so much after the collapse to travel the world and speak at conferences. is it possible he's this dumb
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Sep 26, 2021 19:59
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Doctor Jeep posted:is it possible he's this dumb It isn’t, but he is certainly playing a part even this far down the road. Honestly, I think Gorbachev wanted the the slow deconstruction of the Union from the get go. Yeltsin pushed things faster than he wanted but ultimately there is a reason he didn’t make much of an effort in 1991. The more interesting question is why Andropov supported him earlier his in career. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 20:12 on Sep 26, 2021 |
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Sep 26, 2021 20:08
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Ardennes posted:It isn’t, but he is certainly playing a part even this far down the road. I'm not sure Gorbachev wanted the full disintegration of the Union, but I definitely think he wanted it to basically become a European social democracy and as long as he could convince himself that that's the direction it was headed he was okay with dismantling Union institutions until whoops, too late, there's nothing left to preserve.
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Sep 26, 2021 20:11
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How would you have kept the Baltic states in the Union without bloodshed? And how much blood would the public be willing to shed over them? And soviet economy was in shambles. When the most richest country in natural resources in the world can't feed it's population or provide adequate consumer goods, something is wrong.
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Sep 26, 2021 21:01
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Fish of hemp posted:How would you have kept the Baltic states in the Union without bloodshed? And how much blood would the public be willing to shed over them? Wait, there was no lack of food in the 80ies, was there?
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Sep 26, 2021 21:06
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Fish of hemp posted:How would you have kept the Baltic states in the Union without bloodshed? And how much blood would the public be willing to shed over them? The thing that went wrong was basically oil and gas prices fell because the Saudis started flooding the market, that’s about it. As for the Baltic states, they weren’t that critically either way, it big issue was Ukraine. Gorbachev could have fought for a smaller Union sans three Baltic states and the Caucasus but there was little effort. There was some shortages in the late 1980s and especially in 1990-1991 when things bad. They had simply ran of money to import food at that point. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 21:11 on Sep 26, 2021 |
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Sep 26, 2021 21:08
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yr new gurlfrand! posted:Watched a limited release of an interview from last year with the now 90 year old Gorbachev in his dacha outside of Moscow. he should cry more about it in his Pizza https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUTIc-f1h3E
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Sep 26, 2021 21:12
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Fish of hemp posted:How would you have kept the Baltic states in the Union without bloodshed? And how much blood would the public be willing to shed over them? gently caress it, let the little eichmanns of the Baltic go their own way
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Sep 26, 2021 21:17
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genericnick posted:Wait, there was no lack of food in the 80ies, was there? quote:Soviet food imports: The growing necessity for change - ScienceDirect]This article provides an analysis of the structure and role of food imports in the USSR. The economic burden of external purchases of food is excessively heavy, but at the same time tension in the internal food market is so great, and the dependence on external purchases so strong, that ‘simple’ solutions to the problem are impossible. A radical change in the structure of imports is necessary to eliminate disproportions in the food sector and to improve nutritional standards. It is also necessary to make use of every kind of external economic relations developed by the world community. But all the measures taken must form part of a coherent foreign food policy. lol.
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Sep 26, 2021 21:24
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this is a bit of a long shot but does anyone have, or know the source of, the OP from the previous Marxism thread? Should be an old McCaine post in LF, but I can't find it. edit: nm, thank you raskolnikov 
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Sep 26, 2021 22:57
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bristol cool chart posted:more specifically she said authoritatively that there was no trans bigotry in the psl, at all, anywhere, in response to people asking her to look into it basically lol. so she's not really a transphobe so much as an out of touch idiot. honestly, and maybe this is a bad take, but the worst part is someone who calls themselves a Marxist and has been a union organizer for a billion years ever thought they'd actually know the details of the entire org. it seems like this from the outside but like, from the outside. i get it, and i like the PSL, but in my particular situation between this and that the local chapter tends to like to ghost you for a year and then ??? it just doesn't seem like something that fits with what my local comrades and i are trying to do
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Sep 27, 2021 05:04
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they're pretty famous around here for burning people out super fast yeah. apparently the local chapter is very demanding but I also see them literally everywhere and we'd be lucky to get 20 people to show up for DSA sometimes so I guess they get the job done. the job mostly being to hand out lots of free posters that are largely incoherent but have red flags on them
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Sep 27, 2021 10:14
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Marxism-Leninism by itself is a dying ideology, the real strength of the proletariat, esp in the third world, is behind marxism-leninism-maoism. embrace the line struggle comrades, it will give ur organizing a shot in the arm. also i may just be drunk but also debating becoming a stalinist due to both losurdo and how good Tovarisch Stalin sounds
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Sep 27, 2021 11:56
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mcclay posted:also i may just be drunk but also debating becoming a stalinist due to both losurdo and how good Tovarisch Stalin sounds the real key to being a good political actor is to simply find a dead person to like and then stan them until you bonsai your brain into some tortured shape
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Sep 27, 2021 12:45
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mcclay posted:Marxism-Leninism by itself is a dying ideology, the real strength of the proletariat, esp in the third world, is behind marxism-leninism-maoism. embrace the line struggle comrades, it will give ur organizing a shot in the arm. wouldn't the rise of social democracy off imperial exploitation and the outsourcing of manfacturing labor to the third world be the precise reason that MLM has remained relevant there compared to the decline/repression of MLism in the west? getting thru Imperialism in the 21st Century by John Smith which goes into this and the modern conditions of imperialism. how does one apply Marxism to and build an ML movement in the service economies of the west that are pretty much parasitic on workers in the third world? Hefty Leftist has issued a correction as of 13:20 on Sep 27, 2021 |
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Sep 27, 2021 13:17
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austrian communist party just won the local elections in graz, austria. unlike other places, where after the fall of soviet union the party somewhat distanced themselves from marxist-leninism, the graz people didn't give a poo poo and just kept pushing the class war. and now they won
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Sep 27, 2021 13:41
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Truga posted:austrian communist party just won the local elections in graz, austria. True, though sadly the national chapter never amounted to anything.
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Sep 27, 2021 13:49
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the national chapter turned their backs on the immortal science and have disappeared from any pretence of relevancy
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Sep 27, 2021 15:13
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imo there are rumblings of renewed radicalism in much of western europe, but it's taking a while to find its proper shape; with the official left mostly committed to the status quo and very risk averse, i think that we're going to have to cycle through a selection of nativist ideologues who will shift the conversation irrevocably before a renewed, embittered left emerges. it's going to be ugly, but the signs look clear - consistent market failures, increasingly open collusion between government and capital associated with high-profile failures, pure rules-based governance being shown to be utterly inadequate, stagnant-to-declining standards of living, mass proletarisation etc. with the death of liberal consensus, people are going to cast about for solutions. it's up to us to provide them, lest the reactionaries beat us to it
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Sep 27, 2021 17:23
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yr new gurlfrand! posted:the national chapter turned their backs on the immortal science and have disappeared from any pretence of relevancy "I know that after my death a pile of rubbish will be heaped on my grave, but the wind of History will sooner or later sweep it away without mercy." 
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Sep 27, 2021 18:41
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V. Illych L. posted:imo there are rumblings of renewed radicalism in much of western europe, but it's taking a while to find its proper shape; with the official left mostly committed to the status quo and very risk averse, i think that we're going to have to cycle through a selection of nativist ideologues who will shift the conversation irrevocably before a renewed, embittered left emerges. it's going to be ugly, but the signs look clear - consistent market failures, increasingly open collusion between government and capital associated with high-profile failures, pure rules-based governance being shown to be utterly inadequate, stagnant-to-declining standards of living, mass proletarisation etc. with the death of liberal consensus, people are going to cast about for solutions. it's up to us to provide them, lest the reactionaries beat us to it while im not in europe there is similar poo poo going on in north america and this is why im interested in connecting with and joining leftist orgs. they're not in a great state right now, but there's a lot of work that needs to be done as fast as possible, mostly on getting a solid base of MLs networked, onboarding new ones, and ready for what's coming. old organizations still have a lot of access and ties and support that will help in this, and while it is unfortunate many, especially well known ones, have stagnated to the point of doing alarming poo poo like endorsing joe biden or co-signing liberal projects, sure as hell isn't going to be posting online about it where the boomers doing it can't see that is going to fix this.
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Sep 27, 2021 18:43
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