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I don't even mind the 50 somethings when it's Mochizuki or Sugiura or even Funaki who can still go. Sakuraba & Fujita are guys who aren't tremendous but also aren't at the top of the card, and do still have their moments. Whereas Mutoh can still have his moments but is also routinely in big matches & was the guy who toppled Go Shiozaki's all-timer title run (like seriously, it's up there with that 2003-05 Kobashi run for me). But obviously the goal should be to ultimately use the old guys to put over either the current generation or the future. You just have to compare the booking of Dragon Gate; it's literally impossible to imagine NOAH doing something like that 10 man generational warfare match from Final Gate 2020. The RED team was a 29 year old, 25 year old, 23 year old, 21 year old & a 20 year old & they were against a Team Toruymon whose youngest member was the now retired Masato Yoshino at 40, and more to the point a whole team who were 20 year vets lost to a team featuring 2 guys in their debut year & Eita was the only one who'd been around for over 5 years. SB KENTo wasn't even born when 3 of the 5 Toryumon guys debuted in wrestling (& was only a few months old when Doi & Yoshino debuted) & he got the pin or submission over FOUR of those Dragon Gate legends. Kikuta, who'd been wrestling for about 6 months & 2 weeks when that matched happened got the other pin on Yoshino. Meanwhile, Mutoh has a 2-0-1 record against Kaito Kiyomiya, who if we're honest isn't just the future ace but absolutely on a level with Sugiura, Go, Nakajima & Kenoh as the most important group of wrestlers on the roster right now. It's just loving bewildering & frustrating. OK, you don't need to do a clean generational swapover like DG have done, few promotions have the absolutely stacked group of talent under 26 they have right now. But something more than this would be nice.
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Jerusalem posted:Want to remind everybody that Mutoh won a match against Kenoh where Kenoh literally set his kneepad on fire and smashed Mutoh in the face with it To be fair, that was against Muta rather than Mutoh, and I sort of keep the two personas separate because Muta is loving ace.
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god Nosawa is so sick. He’s always booked this way, even on the Gurentai produce/Tokyo Carnival shows. His favorite thing to do is bring in a decrepit older wrestler and brutally have someone job to them. The only difference between then and now is that he can’t get Mil Mascaras and Dory Funk Jr into the country. Completely shortsighted booking and I wonder how long CyberAgent is wanting to do this “we want lapsed salarymen to watch the service” deal with mutoh and them.
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When does Kaito's contract come up? If I were him I'd push to be booked a lot stronger against folks like Mutoh. I'm reminded of when Tanahashi's contract came up just before the 2008 Champion Carnival, and he spent his time during contract negotiations entering the CC, dominating his block, losing to Suwama in an incredibly good final, and re-signing to NJPW with a pay rise and an ace push. I imagine that Kaito won't get that lucky, and we won't see him in any other tournaments any time soon, but he really should know his value by now and he shouldn't allow the top brass to gently caress him over at this point.
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It's tough to say as Japan still doesn't like people jumping between companies unless there's some visible business strife (Like with DG at the time Shingo jumped). But losing to Muta may be enough to allow him to jump with little pushback and i suspect even though DG and Bushiroad aren't looking to spend money due to Covid sized crowds I could see an exception being made for Kaito.
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Kaito got a year long reign as GHC Champion at 22 and is probably the next one and CyberAgent can outbid Bushiroad and DG. I don't see him jumping over two losses to one of the biggest stars in the history of the business, albeit one old enough to be his grandfather.
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I wanted to like NOAH but it feels soo loving old compared to basically every other competitor. DDT is filled with older guys and it manages to feel fresh and vibrant rather than stagnant like NOAH can get.
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I have watched a single DDT show and basically a guy cut a promo in the loading dock while his tag team partner, in a mask, smoked a cigarette and occasionally looked back at the promo. Basically what I'm saying is I should watch more.
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Minoru Suzuki vs Sanshiro Takagi in an Empty Arena Match is one of the best matches of its kind. The spot with the random Muay Thai guy is comedy gold, especially for Suzuki shoving Takagi towards the Muay Thai fighter, and then tiptoeing past everyone, and then taking the time to turn around the sneer at Takagi because he's Minoru goddamn Suzuki.
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I don't see Kaito moving out of NOAH, this is basically his dream job (all things considered) and I don't see him making any bid for better booking/pay to have any teeth, if he does. But I do think he deserves better! It's also really telling that I like the wrestlers of NOAH a lot more than DDT's, but the latter is a much more enjoyable promotion to watch. What they've been doing with Uncle Jun should be the norm with booking old dudes with name recognition. (It also helps that Uncle Jun is still really good at wrestling, unlike Mutoh)
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edogawa rando posted:Minoru Suzuki vs Sanshiro Takagi in an Empty Arena Match is one of the best matches of its kind. Worth noting that they're doing another Tokyo Dome empty arena show. The atmosphere should only be marginally worse than the last NJPW show there
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Crossposting this here so the maximum amount of people see it before it inevitably gets removed for breaking TOS. Konosuke Takeshita is a ridiculous human beingSG Bamboo posted:Tde didn't gif my favourite moment of the main event so I decided to clip it myself. Chris has Take in the Octopus, so Take just lifts him up and walks him to the corner to grab the ropes. Chris doesn't break, so Takeshita just climbs the ropes with Chris still on him because he ridiculously strong, before going for the Samoan drop which Chris twists in midair into a crucifix bomb. Just incredible.
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I am going to hop on the Wrestle Universe wagon once the new site launches on Friday, and after I get through (re)watching all the Rojo matches what shows/matches should I watch from this year to quickly get up to speed with DDT and TJPW?
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Bushmeister posted:I am going to hop on the Wrestle Universe wagon once the new site launches on Friday, and after I get through (re)watching all the Rojo matches what shows/matches should I watch from this year to quickly get up to speed with DDT and TJPW? It's certainly harder for DDT, since their smaller titles change hands on shows where the KO-D Champ is busy doing other things. You can't got wrong with pretty much any Extreme Title matches since Shunma won it in February, even if i'm not recommending any of the shows they're on For DDT i'd say - Kawasaki Stong (Feb 14) - Ultimate Tag League Finals (May 27) - CyberFight Festival (June 6, contains DDT, TJPW, NOAH and GanPro) - King of DDT Finals (July 4) - Peter Pan (August 21) - Who's Gonna TOP? (September 26) For TJPW i'd say - Januray 4th show - Positive Chain (Feb 11) - Change the Wind Direction (Mar 6) - Still Incomplete (April 17) - Yes! Wonderland (May 5) - Princess Cup Finals (August 15)
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CyberFight Festival in general is a very good show to give you a taster of what TJPW, DDT, Noah, and GanPro are about in 2021.
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As a potentially useful guide, the following were judged to be match of the year candidates for DDT and TJPW.Jerusalem posted:Matches of the Year: Lamuella fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Sep 27, 2021 |
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that maki itoh vs miyu match was this year? god time is hosed.
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ItohRespectArmy posted:that maki itoh vs miyu match was this year? god time is hosed. Remember when Maki Itoh was kicked and then died it owns.
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Saw that yesterday's DDT show did 713 people, which as far as I can tell (by going through events on cagematch 1 by 1) is the third highest attended show at Korakuen this year, only behind Hana Kimura's Memorial Show and Dragon Gate's July 9th show (which are both listed at 714), so good on you Soup Boy and Chrissy B. Would have taken the number 1 spot if Emi and Lulu weren't hanging out on the other side of the world
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karmicknight posted:Remember when Maki Itoh was kicked and then died it owns. AAAAAAAAAAAA THE AV UPDATE AAAAAAAAAAAAA  
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I'm a bit confused, are we supposed to sign up for the new Wrestle Universe on Oct 1? I don't see an option to sign up for it now.
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Power Windows posted:I'm a bit confused, are we supposed to sign up for the new Wrestle Universe on Oct 1? I don't see an option to sign up for it now. That's my understanding. No more charges on the old Wrestle Universe, we'll sign up for a single month after the first of the month at the new place and then we'll not pay again until Feb. I think.
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It's weird how Tatsuhito Takaiwa is stuck in Freedoms, which seems below his level. Are we really saying he couldn't add something to All Japan's Juniors? An real solid vet to work with those young guys On the plus side, I pop whenever Minoru Fujita turns up & he's carrying the Gatoh Move Suoer Asia title.
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Power Windows posted:I'm a bit confused, are we supposed to sign up for the new Wrestle Universe on Oct 1? I don't see an option to sign up for it now. sign ups start Oct1. That's when the new site URL goes live. Beyond that, idk but I'm sure it'll be all laid out on the new site when you sign up. It supposed to be fully englished iirc.
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Bracket released for Ganbare Climax, some of these matchups should be real entertaining Ken Ohka vs Shota - winner faces Tetsuhiro Kuroda Keisuke Ishii vs Shinichiro Tominaga Yumehito Imanari vs Baliyan Akki Takaki Iwasaki vs Shimatani Tsunehiro Shuichiro Katsumura vs Haruya Morohashi Ryuichi Takaiwa vs Tadashi Maeguchi - winner faces Mizuki Watase https://twitter.com/ganpro0417/status/1443147723864035332
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The big beefy boys of Gachimuchi got a little beefy boy to join them https://twitter.com/Hassy0924/status/1443158397784772613?s=20
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It's that time of the week again. Honestly, if you don't watch New Japan this week is just N1 Finals, a standard DDT house shown, couple of Stardom house shows, a BJW house show, an All Japan house show, a DG Korakuen & that Freedoms show, which will at least have a couple bangers on it but probably won't be available to watch for a couple of weeks. A good week to put a dent into my backlog. Which has grown to over 40 shows now  2/10/2021, Saturday 10am JST/12pm AEDT/2am BST/9pm EST/6pm PST Gatoh Move ChocoPro 161 Ichigaya Chocolate Square, Tokyo Cherry vs Tokiko Kirihara Best Bros (Baliyan Akki & Mei Suruga) vs Chie Koishikawa & Masahiro Takanishi Chris Brookes vs Sayaka Live on Youtube 4pm JST/6pm AEDT/8am BST/3am EST/12am PST Sendai Girls Keep Burning Azalea Hall, Osaka DASH Chisako vs Kanon Chie Ozora vs Manami Andras Miyagi & Hibiki vs Mika Iwata & Yurika Oka Ami Miura & Haruka Umesaki vs Chihiro Hashimoto & Yuu 5pm JST/7pm AEDT/9am BST/4am EST/1am PST Stardom Road to Osaka Congress Centre Event Hall, Nagoya AZM vs Waka Tsukiyama Fukigen Death vs Lady C vs Momo Watanabe COSMIC ANGELS (Mai Sakurai & Unagi Sayaka) vs Oedo Tai (Ruaka & Saki Kashima) Donna Del Mondo (Himeka & Natsupoi) vs Oedo Tai (Konami & Starlight Kid) Donna Del Mondo (Maika & Syuri) vs Queen's Quest (Saya Kamitani & Utami Hayashishita) COSMIC ANGELS (Mina Shirakawa & Tam Nakano) vs Stars (Koguma & Mayu Iwatani) Show presumably uploaded to Stardom World 9pm JST/11pm AEDT/1pm BST/8am EST/5am PST NJPW Strong Fighting Spirit Unleashed Thunder Studio, Long Beach Fred Yehi vs JR Kratos Chris Dickinson vs Royce Isaacs Strong Openweight Title: Tom Lawlor(c) vs Lio Rush Live on NJPW World Also shows from Ice Ribbon & BJW 3/10/2021, Sunday 10am JST/12pm AEDT/2am BST/9pm EST/6pm PST Gatoh Move ChocoPro 162 Ichigaya Chocolate Square, Tokyo Asia Dream Tag Team Titles: Best Bros (Baliyan Akki & Mei Suruga(c) vs Egg Tart (Chie Koishikawa & Hagane Shinno) vs Hoshitango & Masahiro Takanashi Live on Youtube 11:30am JST/1:30pm AEDT/3:30am BST/10:30pm EST/7:30pm PST Pro Wrestling NOAH N-1 Victory 2021 Night 6 Korakuen Hall, Tokyo Akitoshi Saito, Kendo Kashin & Manabu Soya vs Daiki Inaba, Kotaro Suzuki & Masa Kitamiya N-1 Victory Semi-Final: Kaito Kiyomiya vs Kenoh N-1 Victory Semi-Final: Katsuhiko Nakajima vs Masakatsu Funaki Atsushi Kotoge vs Eita Daisuke Harada & Junta Miyawaki vs Stinger (HAYATA & Yoshinari Ogawa) M's Alliance (Keiji Mutoh, Masaaki Mochizuki & Masato Tanaka) vs Sugiuragun (Kazushi Sakuraba, Kazuyuki Fujita & Takashi Sugiura) N-1 Victory Final Live on Wrestle Universe 12pm JST/2pm AEDT/4am BST/11pm EST/8pm PST Stardom Road to Osaka Congress Centre Event Hall, Nagoya AZM vs Lady C vs Mai Sakurai Utami Hayashishita vs Waka Tsukiyama Fukigen Death vs Syuri Oedo Tai (Ruaka & Saki Kashima) vs Queen's Quest (Momo Watanabe & Saya Kamitani) Oedo Tai (Konami & Starlight Kid) vs Stars (Koguma & Mayu Iwatani) Artist of Stardom Titles: Cosmic Angels (Mina Shirakawa, Tam Nakano & Unagi Sayaka)(c) vs Donna Del Mondo (Himeka, Maika & Natsupoi) Show presumably uploaded to Stardom World 4pm JST/6pm AEDT/8am BST/3am EST/12am PST NJPW G1 Climax 31 Night 9 Aichi Prefectural Gymnasium, Nagoya Kosei Fujita vs Yoshinobu Kanemaru BUSHI vs Toru Yano G1 Climax Block A: Great O Khan vs KENTA G1 Climax Block A: Tanga Loa vs Yujiro Takahashi G1 Climax Block A: Tomohiro Ishii vs Zack Sabre Jr G1 Climax Block A: Kota Ibushi vs Shingo Takagi Live on NJPW World 5pm JST/7pm AEDT/9am BST/4am EST/1am PST DDT Get Alive 2021 Tour In Yamagata Big Wing, Yamagata Antonio Honda vs Kazuki Hirata vs Yuki Ueno Danshoku "Dandy" Dieno & Yuki "Sexy" Iino vs Gorgeous Matsuno & Soma Takao Akito, Yuji Hino & Yuya Koroku vs Chris Brookes, Kazusada Higuchi & Keisuke Goto Daisuke Sasaki & Toru Owashi vs Hideki Okatani & Yukio Naya Junretsu (Jun Akiyama & Yusuke Okada) vs Keigo Nakamura & Tetsuya Endo 37KAMIINA (Konosuke Takeshita, MAO & Shunma Katsumata) vs Disaster Box (HARASHIMA & Naomi Yoshimura) & Hiroshi Yamato Live on Wrestle Universe (I think. There's no schedule on the website. So it might not be live. Guess we'll find out when the new WU site launches?) 6:30pm JST/8:30pm AEDT/10:30am BST/5:30am EST/2:30am PST Freedoms 12th Anniversary Show Korakuen Hall, Tokyo Brahman Kei, Brahman Shu & Rekka vs Van Vert Jack, Van Vert Negro & Yuse Estrella GENTARO, Kengo & Yuya Susumu vs Unchain (Kamui, Kenji Fukimoto & Rina Yamashita) Hardcore Match: Dragon Libre vs Masashi Takeda King of Freedom World Tag Team Titles: ERE (Takayuki Ueki & Toshiyuki Sakuda)(c) vs Mammoth Sasaki & Takahiro Katori Dams Style Crazy 4 U Ultimate Item Bringing Death Match: Daisuke Masaoka & Toru Sugiura vs Jun Kasai & Takashi Sasaki King of Freedom World Title: Violento Jack(c) vs Tomoya Hirata SamuraiTV maybe? 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Samurai aren't showing that FREEDOMS show and frankly I don't blame them. It's a weak enough card that it's the first FREEDOMS Korakuen in over a year I'm not going to. It's a shame because it's cool Hirata is challenging but I'm not interested in the rest of the card and there's no way he's winning.
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Does my DDT Universe subscription automatically end after this? Or do I have to go in and affirmatively cancel it?
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Hellblazer187 posted:Does my DDT Universe subscription automatically end after this? Or do I have to go in and affirmatively cancel it? I believe it ends.
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Yeah, if you pay via PayPal your subscription payment has already been cancelled
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In "posts barely worth making" news, watching the 10/9 AJPW & the opener with Jun Saito vs Ryoma Tsukamoto is the best Saito singles appearance so far imo. A solid *** effort, and a positive sign considering they only had their tryout 9 months ago
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So it's October 1st in Japan and... I still have no idea what I'm supposed to do about Wrestle Universe? They said my old account will not be available after the end of October and I will need to register for the new Wrestle Universe but... how do I do that? Is it just the same page/url as before and I just make a new account? I love Wrestle Universe, it's great value, but despite their insistence I get this sorted out I really don't have a clue what I'm actually supposed to do.
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Jerusalem posted:So it's October 1st in Japan and... I still have no idea what I'm supposed to do about Wrestle Universe? They said my old account will not be available after the end of October and I will need to register for the new Wrestle Universe but... how do I do that? Is it just the same page/url as before and I just make a new account? I did see on twitter that the new WU will be ready sometime in the afternoon Japan time. We just gotta be patient I guess!
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Fortunately they've got time as the Masa Takanishi is on YouTube https://twitter.com/gatohmove_jp/status/1443546652740964360?s=19 That's 7pm Japan so 11am UK IIRC, and 6am US East Coast
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