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"Well, Data, Shakespeare was witnessing the end of the Renaissance and the birth of the modern era, and Prospero finds himself in a world where his powers are no longer needed. So, we see him here about to perform one final creative act before giving up his art forever." -Picard in the third to last episode of TNG Also immediately before a dumb AI train tries to assassinate them both. CPColin posted:Brent's hand is in Gates's pocket, but Marina is groping Michael, so it evens out.
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Yeah and they stole that scene with the train straight out of Inception.
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I started watching a little of Enterprise, and it gave me some real post 9/11 vibes, but looking at the release date, most of these episodes probably were already in production by the time 9/11 happened, so I guess there was just something in the air before 9/11 that made the writers feel like being weirdly xenophobic. It's frustrating how they deal with the Vulcans, because the writers do clearly plan for them to be doing a little shady stuff, but the show decides to delay showing the Vulcans being up to anything, so it really seems like there's a lot of hostility out of nowhere. There are some good moments so far, like shutting down an alien mining operation on a pre-warp world or the freighter episode with a moral that the post-9/11 world might've done better to listen to. I feel like I want a whole lot more of early spacefaring humanity just kinda scraping by, while a lot of the rest of the show seems more interested in human exceptionalism. There's also some issues that the show suffers from that I think a lot of Star Trek has issues with. I understand that writing Vulcan society has gotta be hard, and the way that a lot of the rest of Star Trek has dealt with that has been by using Vulcan society only sparsely, which Enterprise's premise makes not as viable an option. There's also the fact that the writers are very clumsy about trying to write the crew of the Enterprise as being scientists interested in the unknown; Archer doesn't want to bother writing anything down and in most of his speeches sounds like he's trying to convince himself more than his crew. Vulcan writing makes this worse since T'Pol is the worst offender, always saying "why would we investigate a thing, that's dumb." And it turns out that's the show trying to show humanity getting the better of this stodgy no-fun Vulcan. Ugh. Still a neat show so far though.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:They had that scene in, what, the second or third episode, where they did the 'forensic scan' or whatever and I remember thinking "oh this must be a sop to the olds who are addicted to NCIS or whatever" Thanks for raising this. This was the first moment in Picard that really took me out of the story, and my brain was just sitting there thinking "I can't believe adults with careers, people who presumably care about their jobs, wrote this". Like, what did they think those scanners were actually doing or detecting to be able to create images of people from the past? It's weird to me that professional writers for a SciFi story wouldn't care about making something somewhat plausable
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Spock was an ambassador in TNG. To which country was he an ambassador to?
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:They had that scene in, what, the second or third episode, where they did the 'forensic scan' or whatever and I remember thinking "oh this must be a sop to the olds who are addicted to NCIS or whatever" My Dad's in his retirement years (although his TV shows are more Midsomer Murders.) Growing up, one of the few things we did together was sit down to watch Star Trek after school, and he could spot a Romulan plot from five hundred paces. To the point I was watching the intro to an episode once, not very far into it, and he said, "It's always the bloody Romulans!" (very Colm-Meaney-Dad, and he was correct.) I played him the first episode of Picard and he no desire to watch the rest. If they were designing Picard for olds I don't think they hit that mark either.
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Sep 30, 2021 09:01
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Kurzon posted:Spock was an ambassador in TNG. To which country was he an ambassador to? He was probably an ambassador-at-large.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I started watching a little of Enterprise, and it gave me some real post 9/11 vibes, but looking at the release date, most of these episodes probably were already in production by the time 9/11 happened, so I guess there was just something in the air before 9/11 that made the writers feel like being weirdly xenophobic. It's frustrating how they deal with the Vulcans, because the writers do clearly plan for them to be doing a little shady stuff, but the show decides to delay showing the Vulcans being up to anything, so it really seems like there's a lot of hostility out of nowhere. im a kinda big defender of enterprise but i say all this with the caveat that acknowledging that the show is trying to do something and at times executing something well, or executing something the way they want but that thing happens to be fun on paper and not to watch in a show are not enough to make something "good" i made a post a bit ago about terrorism in 90s trek and in part of it i asked why it came up so consistently and one of the example reasons is the one i think is the most plausable: people smart enough to write for tv and shape culture were also smart enough to at least subconsciously see the state of the empire of the west and that reprisals had to be on the horizon, and that since no military is going to declare a war on america it logically had to come down to some form of terrorism. the IRA making peace with the brits, the capture and imprisonment of the unabomber, the initial failed attempt to bomb the twin towers, the OKC bombing, the US embassy bombings in east africa in 98, there was a fair amount of it happening and in the news. star trek was the only show really dealing with it in the 90s as it was happening that i can remember, certainly the only one that was also a cultural touchstone for sure. part of why people dont talk about enterprises take on things is because as you mention, tv was so awash with post 9/11 dogshit. why see what star trek has to say when you can watch jack bauer torture brown people and have his this ties in to the weird pivot to human exceptionalism. its not just that the show logically had to decide in the set up of "how do we get to a federation with human protagonists" that the answer would be "humans unite the other 3 nearby races" but its also an attempt to rehabilitate the western bloc's image as a whole. humans as americans, vulcans as brits, andorians as french and tellarites as germans. its a story trying to reinforce that nato is a plucky underdog on the world stage but one day if you believe in it hard enough everyone is going to gather in this union of peoples because, gosh dang it, we have the right ideals and theyre gonna come around to how darn stinkin nice we are eventually!!! theres a lot of the show having its cake and eating it too with human violence while insisting that we're polite and peaceful and just trying to explore. im being somewhat vague because it seems like you havent seen the show and i dont wanna ruin stuff. sorry!!! as for t'pol, thats just a character flub. her whole arc is pretty important to vulcan identity as a whole in trek, shes the first vulcan that can literally physically stomach being around humans because our lovely human stink makes all the other vulcans puke after not very long in close quarters, so shes the first one truly immersed in humanity and seeing all our ideals and warts and all. so its a worf thing where sometimes she doth protest a bit too much, trying to reassert her vulcan identity when she finds herself getting a little chummy and identifying a little strongly with the human crew. perhaps as she grows or events happen to the crew and show, her tune will change somehwat??? who knows??? i think she has a genuinely good arc and blalock gets a lot of flack because despite her imho good performance, shes still a vulcan with huge fake boobs and lips and its just kind of funny to imagine a vulcan getting plastic surgery.
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I saw Blalock on-set when I visited Paramount back in the 2000s and she is tiny. (No way is she the claimed 1.7m on her Google profile, even in heels.) Anyway, that's my Jolene Blalock story.
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Kurzon posted:Spock was an ambassador in TNG. To which country was he an ambassador to? The undiscovered one.
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Payndz posted:I saw Blalock on-set when I visited Paramount back in the 2000s and she is tiny. (No way is she the claimed 1.7m on her Google profile, even in heels.) Anyway, that's my Jolene Blalock story. So far as I can tell everyone in Hollywood is 6in shorter than they claim.
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Sep 30, 2021 14:27
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8one6 posted:So far as I can tell everyone in Hollywood is 6in shorter than they claim. Except the tall guys who are desperately trying to not get typecast as a Heavy/antagonist. It's just the opposite for them.
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Sep 30, 2021 14:35
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SlothfulCobra posted:I started watching a little of Enterprise, and it gave me some real post 9/11 vibes, but looking at the release date, most of these episodes probably were already in production by the time 9/11 happened, so I Yep, specifically the episode Civilization was being filmed on 9/11. 8one6 posted:So far as I can tell everyone in Hollywood is 6in shorter than they claim. And sometimes five years older.
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Sep 30, 2021 14:37
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I once went on a paramount tour in like 1994 and saw some extras in Cardassian makeup up top but like blue jeans down below. They were drinking sodas from a long straw. It was the coolest thing ever to my 12 year old mind.
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Sep 30, 2021 14:59
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I remember being 5 and trying to hug a fully-costumed-and-made-up Klingon at a Star Trek exhibit at the LA County Fair Credit to the actor, who went on like a minute-long rant about how Klingons do not hug that I think my dad caught on video. Probably should see if I can dig that up one day.
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Sep 30, 2021 15:05
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jeeves posted:I once went on a paramount tour in like 1994 and saw some extras in Cardassian makeup up top but like blue jeans down below. They were drinking sodas from a long straw. it's a weird thing with Cardassian immigrants, they loving love blue jeans. i guess they don't produce them back on C-Prime
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Sep 30, 2021 15:45
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A cousin of my dad's worked on the Paramount lot and gave us an unofficial tour once. We got to see the unlit Promenade and Ops set and stuff. Later, as we were driving between stages, one of us kids went, "That's Robert Beltran having a smoke break in his uniform!" and my step-mom asked what character he played and then yelled, "WE LOVE YOU JAKORTY!" as he gave a nervous wave.
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CPColin posted:A cousin of my dad's worked on the Paramount lot and gave us an unofficial tour once. We got to see the unlit Promenade and Ops set and stuff. Later, as we were driving between stages, one of us kids went, "That's Robert Beltran having a smoke break in his uniform!" and my step-mom asked what character he played and then yelled, "WE LOVE YOU JAKORTY!" as he gave a nervous wave. Shut up this is the poo poo my little pre-teen mind thought I'd be seeing on my Paramount tour. Nope: they just showed us the loving lame Entertainment Tonight set. At least I got to see those Cardassians.
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Sep 30, 2021 17:09
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New Lower Decks character Jakorty, who is constantly sulking, taking smoke breaks, and generally phoning in his duties. Now and then he covers for it with some bullshit "tribal elder wisdom" that sounds vaguely racist but nobody bothers to check his background because it's too dull
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Cross-Section posted:I remember being 5 and trying to hug a fully-costumed-and-made-up Klingon at a Star Trek exhibit at the LA County Fair At the old Star Trek exhibit in Las Vegas, there were performers milling about in full costume and in full character, and it was a popular thing to get photos with them. I got a picture with a Romulan officer, who then asked to see the picture. She immediately invoked the Romulan Right of Deletion, so we trashed that one and we took another one where she wasn't blinking.  I also got a picture with a Ferengi merchant, me with a big smile and my arm around him, and him with a scowl and crossed arms. It's one of my favorite pictures of me.
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Powered Descent posted:At the old Star Trek exhibit in Las Vegas, there were performers milling about in full costume and in full character, and it was a popular thing to get photos with them. I got a picture with a Romulan officer, who then asked to see the picture. She immediately invoked the Romulan Right of Deletion, so we trashed that one and we took another one where she wasn't blinking. I got the chance to visit that during a family reunion, I wish I'd spent some of my winnings on some of the stuff they had there, since it closed not too long afterwards. But it was pretty fantastic all around.
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I stayed at the Las Vegas Hilton for a conference about a year after the Star Trek Experience closed; all the Star Trek branding had been torn out, but they had just repurposed a bunch of the public areas for more casino floor room without remodeling them at all, so there were just random parts of the casino that looked like the DS9 promenade or Voyager bulkheads or whatever, just with all the identifying marks pried off. The casino's been bought and rebranded twice now since then, so I wonder if all that stuff still exists now
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The Paramount lot between 96-98 must have been wild. There was a non-zero chance you could run into the DS9, VOY, and TNG cast in one day, depending on if they were doing a movie or not.
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I thought Spock was the ambassador to Romulus and he was trying to broker peace and reconciliation between the Vulcans and Romulans.
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jeeves posted:Shut up this is the poo poo my little pre-teen mind thought I'd be seeing on my Paramount tour. Nope: they just showed us the loving lame Entertainment Tonight set. Just remembered that I got these stickers and also remembered exactly where they were:  I don't remember if these are gift shop stickers or actual production stickers, though.
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Mr. Prokosch posted:I thought Spock was the ambassador to Romulus and he was trying to broker peace and reconciliation between the Vulcans and Romulans. He was working in a clandestine capacity, and judging by what happens in the JJverse and Picard, Spock was ultimately unsuccessful.
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A.o.D. posted:He was working in a clandestine capacity, and judging by what happens in the JJverse and Picard, Spock was ultimately unsuccessful. Well Discovery shows he won out, it just took centuries and is still ongoing.
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Probably every Federation world has an ambassador to every other Federation world to explain why there's so many of them. Spock probably got named Vulcan ambassador to Setlick III as some prestigious do-nothing title that lets him bum rides on Starfleet ships whenever he wants.
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Khanstant posted:I really do love Jakorty though lol He's the only character from Voyager that my dad can describe, but also can't remember his actual name. He calls him Chipotle.
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So Moments Asunder, the first book of this new Coda trilogy that's going to conclude and reboot the Trek novelverse came out earlier this week. Found a copy in the bookstore and gave it a quick flip-through, and was surprised to find that they made the Devidians the grand villains of the piece. They're still doing what they've always done - traveling through time and consuming the neural energy of organic life, but they've massively upscaled their operations and are attempting to feed off entire universes, using the temporal events that cause timeline splits as portals into these variant timelines. They've also introduced this thing where certain timelines are more viable than others, which kinda feels like it's scraping close to goddamn Homestuck's idea of "doomed timelines". Not sure what to make of that.
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Marshal Radisic posted:So Moments Asunder, the first book of this new Coda trilogy that's going to conclude and reboot the Trek novelverse came out earlier this week. Found a copy in the bookstore and gave it a quick flip-through, and was surprised to find that they made the Devidians the grand villains of the piece. They're still doing what they've always done - traveling through time and consuming the neural energy of organic life, but they've massively upscaled their operations and are attempting to feed off entire universes, using the temporal events that cause timeline splits as portals into these variant timelines. They've also introduced this thing where certain timelines are more viable than others, which kinda feels like it's scraping close to goddamn Homestuck's idea of "doomed timelines". Not sure what to make of that. Misread part of this as "Branch Devidians" and was momentarily very confused
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I feel like that is because they have used a lot of the other villains from TNG in the books for other things (ie. the Conspiracy aliens, or the alien abductors from Schisms), and those villains were last on the list or something as we never really find out much about them even in a two part episode.
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idk if it has been discussed, but Robert Picardo is a gem of an actor and his instragram is incredible. https://www.instagram.com/robert_picardo/ he seems to have a bunch of different characters he likes to make short videos as, many in drag!
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Powered Descent posted:At the old Star Trek exhibit in Las Vegas, there were performers milling about in full costume and in full character, and it was a popular thing to get photos with them. I got a picture with a Romulan officer, who then asked to see the picture. She immediately invoked the Romulan Right of Deletion, so we trashed that one and we took another one where she wasn't blinking. My folks used to go to ComDex in Vegas every year and this was back when Vegas was trying really hard to brand itself as a family destination, so they always brought us with them. That Hilton was their default hotel for almost every trip, so I visited that exhibit many times. It was the absolute coolest thing in the world when you were an 8-year old Trekkie. Somehow I never ended up riding the Jason Alexander Borg thing though.
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Paper Lion posted:this ties in to the weird pivot to human exceptionalism. its not just that the show logically had to decide in the set up of "how do we get to a federation with human protagonists" that the answer would be "humans unite the other 3 nearby races" but its also an attempt to rehabilitate the western bloc's image as a whole. humans as americans, vulcans as brits, andorians as french and tellarites as germans. its a story trying to reinforce that nato is a plucky underdog on the world stage but one day if you believe in it hard enough everyone is going to gather in this union of peoples because, gosh dang it, we have the right ideals and theyre gonna come around to how darn stinkin nice we are eventually!!! theres a lot of the show having its cake and eating it too with human violence while insisting that we're polite and peaceful and just trying to explore. That also explains why all the human cast is aggressively American except for the one shady brit who still grumbles about yanks somehow. There's one guy who grew up in space, but that doesn't come up much, and he doesn't seem to be as comfy in a more regionalized accent as the rest. Also they sure do talk about the chef a lot for a character who doesn't appear on the show. He may even have more characterization than some of the bridge crew so far. Oh wow, never thought I'd see an eyeballs in the dark bit on a live action show.
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SlothfulCobra posted:That also explains why all the human cast is aggressively American except for the one shady brit who still grumbles about yanks somehow. There's one guy who grew up in space, but that doesn't come up much, and he doesn't seem to be as comfy in a more regionalized accent as the rest. The chef appears in the very last episode. Some people think it is the stupidest reveal ever, some people the best, some people argue about the in-narrative suspension of disbelief and destroy the fun. it's riker
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