BigglesSWE posted:

It’s a neat experiment (and we’ll never know how he actually looked so why the hell not) but iconographic history would likely not be very helpful at all. To my knowledge there are zero references to his appearance in the earliest known sources of his life, and I’d wager that the general appearances on display through Christian art has its ultimate origin from some Christian dude just making shot up, alternately, cribbing from some other source (I.e. taking the likeness of another person and attributing it to Jesus).

Sorry early Christian history is my ja


Also virtually every historian with any meaningful insight into the subject agrees that Jesus existed. As to the nature and particulars of that existent, there’s much debate, naturally.

The Last Call posted:

It's more of a counter to the image some people got where they think he was a pure white guy. Possibly with automatic weapon and American flag cape.


And here's a poo poo:

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1444369882292752386

The Pussy Boss posted:

Instead of blaming all of society's problems on hick inbred redneck rural "MAGA Chuds", it might be more effective to work towards a more economically equal society where everyone has health care, housing, education, and a living wage, without being trapped in crushing lifelong debt to obtain these things.

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Reddit's Herman Cain Covid 'award' is a depressing sign of our times
This push to revel in schadenfreude, and to assign collective blame, is understandable. But it's not psychologically healthy.

The increasingly popular r/HermanCainAward subreddit on Reddit.com is a distressingly predictable sign of America’s conflict-filled times. The subreddit, which now has upwards of 340,000 followers, “celebrates” those “who have made public declaration of their anti-mask, anti-vax, or Covid-hoax views,” only to die from Covid-19 or Covid-related complications. (It is named for Herman Cain, the former GOP presidential candidate and businessman who died from Covid-19 complications in 2020 after attending a Trump campaign rally in Oklahoma.)

With many regions in the United States still struggling to control this plague, attention has not surprisingly focused on the minority of Americans who have, for various reasons, refused to get vaccinated. A dark and sardonic corner of the internet, the r/HermanCainAward subreddit captures the rage and outrage of presumably vaccinated, mask-wearing individuals, many of whom have either been infected with Covid-19 in the past or have watched friends and family become ill — and even die.

This push to revel in schadenfreude, and to assign collective blame, is understandable and more than a little expected, especially on the internet. But this so-called award also captures the collective loss of empathy that colors so many of our political and personal conversations right now. Like soldiers who have been trained to see their enemies as less than human, we have forgotten that those who disagree with us are, despite everything, still people.

I personally understand the rage. I have watched good friends, colleagues and family — vaccinated, careful and regular mask wearers — become seriously ill with breakthrough Covid infections. It’s infuriating to think that all the steps you take to stay safe could be rendered meaningless because some thoughtless, misinformed or intentionally hurtful person has refused to take their own precautions.

Psychology has a name for the phenomenon that occurs when we see any single person or group of people as all good or all bad. It’s called splitting, and it is often an attempt to make ourselves feel less vulnerable. “If I’m good, and you’re bad,” the thinking goes, “then I’m the one who’s in the right, and I’ll be fine.” But splitting doesn’t take into account the reality that we all have both good and bad qualities; that we all hurt and are hurt by one another. Couples, for instance, often use splitting to protect themselves during conflict. “He did this” and “she always does that” is code for “I’m good and he/she’s bad.” One of the first things couples’ therapists often try to do is to help each partner verbalize their own pain, while simultaneously recognizing their counterpart's pain as well.

So if the goal of these commenters is to express fury or get revenge, they seem to be succeeding — at least if the subreddit's popularity is any indication. But if the goal is to change behavior, we need to do some more thinking. Some of the anti-vaxxers are, of course, simply misinformed, frightened or both. Much worse, however, are the ones who are old-fashioned bullies.

As Signe Whitson, who wrote “8 Keys to End Bullying: Strategies for Parents and Schools,” writes in her Psychology Today blog: “Bullies operate by making their victims feel alone and powerless. Children reclaim their power when they make and maintain connections with faithful friends and supportive adults.” The Herman Cain Award is a way of connecting with a larger group, and providing a sense of well-being and power in the face of animosity.

But Whitson and other experts on bullying agree with Chrissy Scivicque, the founder of EatYourCareer.com, who says, “The trick is to remain polite and professional while still setting your limits firmly. Don't let the bully get under your skin — that's what he wants.”

Indeed, one big problem with responses like the Herman Cain Award is that they actually reinforce the splitting phenomenon. Now we’re either the angry, mean, and ugly ones, or we’re the perpetual victims. There has to be a better way to stand up to anti-vaxxers.

Maybe a more effective response would be to create a site that presented the stories of people who have died because they didn’t get vaccinated or wear masks alongside the stories of people who took precautions but became seriously ill (or died) anyway. Such a site, which could also promote appropriate measures for survival and care, would not get as much traffic. But thinking optimistically, it might help change the minds of those who truly don’t mean to cause suffering to others, and who are not maliciously motivated. And it would also be a way of expressing multiple aspects of a difficult, complex, and dangerous situation.

For those whose intentions are more hate-filled, government intervention and regulations could, of course, make a difference. Vaccine mandates seem to be working so far. But barring that, many local communities are taking a stand. Those of us who continue to wear masks, even when ridiculed, are also quietly fighting bullies. It’s not as dramatic a strategy as the Herman Cain Award, but I have a feeling that it is more successful at promoting change.

Ultimately, the Herman Cain Award fulfills a primal wish to say, "I told you so." And it is a foreseeable internet response to feeling powerless in the face of a dangerous, vocal minority. But dehumanizing one another will not heal the split between anti-vaxxers and mask-wearers, or between the political right and left. Many of the stories on Reddit describe the sadness, confusion and pain of individuals who realized they were dying. Turning them into demons who “got what they deserved” could reinforce the hatred that is already dividing families, communities and really our entire country. And that divide could ultimately turn us all into soldiers, fighting a war that we will all lose.

BigglesSWE posted:

It’s a neat experiment (and we’ll never know how he actually looked so why the hell not) but iconographic history would likely not be very helpful at all. To my knowledge there are zero references to his appearance in the earliest known sources of his life, and I’d wager that the general appearances on display through Christian art has its ultimate origin from some Christian dude just making shot up, alternately, cribbing from some other source (I.e. taking the likeness of another person and attributing it to Jesus).

Sorry early Christian history is my ja


Also virtually every historian with any meaningful insight into the subject agrees that Jesus existed. As to the nature and particulars of that existent, there’s much debate, naturally.

withak posted:

I feel like there had to have been a guy saying the kind of stuff Jesus is purported to have said around that time, but I think his supernatural abilities were probably exaggerated. Getting executed by Rome for running his mouth isn’t a stretch either.

BigglesSWE posted:

You forget the earliest letters of Paul, which, while after Jesus’ death, is almost certainly the earliest Christian writing in existence. Of note is the fact that in one of the indisputably “real” Pauline letters, he makes mention of personally meeting James, the brother of Christ, which the context makes clear is meant to be understood as his physical, real life brother from the same mother.

One could ofc argue that Paul is lying about it but James the brother of Christ appears in other sources so it is at least conceivable that there was a Jesus who had a brother named James.

Batterypowered7 posted:

Ever read Jesus Died in Kashmir? I remember my father recommending the book to me decades ago but I never got around to reading it.

Nocheez posted:

I just received a book from her Imagination Library yesterday for my son. He absolutely *loves* getting them, and I think he's going to start reading before he's 4 in no small part due to Dolly Parton.

I'll cut a bitch for Dolly, but she'd never ask me to.

The Last Call posted:

It's more of a counter to the image some people got where they think he was a pure white guy. Possibly with automatic weapon and American flag cape.


And here's a poo poo:

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1444369882292752386

trickybiscuits posted:

People with co-morbidities refusing to get the vaccine is amazing


Being over 50 is a co-morbidity.


"A small touch of heart disease" jfc


HE'S MISSING A LUNG

Also sharing this because I couldn't find one where someone was having people pray for her husband for the scarring in his lungs to heal and in the comments someone said "oh honey, the scarring IS the healing" and that just stuck with me. The guy had also been intubated for six weeks and he was almost certainly braindead.

Castor Poe posted:

He also wrote a book!

withak posted:

I feel like there had to have been a guy saying the kind of stuff Jesus is purported to have said around that time, but I think his supernatural abilities were probably exaggerated. Getting executed by Rome for running his mouth isn’t a stretch either.

haljordan posted:

This poo poo belongs in the Louvre:

goatface posted:

Jesus was always in masks so that people wouldn't melt when they looked at him.

Castor Poe posted:

The Fear posted:

it's REALLY weird that the government shot the same woman in the throat that also cut off her husbands dick

The Fear posted:

it's REALLY weird that the government shot the same woman in the throat that also cut off her husbands dick

The Last Call posted:

The Last Call posted:

It's more of a counter to the image some people got where they think he was a pure white guy. Possibly with automatic weapon and American flag cape.


And here's a poo poo:

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1444369882292752386

Outpost22 posted:

It's really weird that the man responsible walks free

trickybiscuits posted:

You mean Muhammed, that's why nobody is allowed to draw him. Because nobody knew what he looked like

You Are A Elf posted:

New thread, who dis? RUMPT!!!


Content:

https://apnews.com/article/pat-robertson-700-club-steps-down-as-host-cf058279cc326ce21e089fef05357382

I remember that poo poo airing late at night on ABC Family (now Freeform) for years because when Disney bought the channel, there was a legal catch that The 700 Club had to continuously air nightly on the channel since it used to be CBN. I wonder if Disney can finally dump the show for good since he’s no longer going to host it.

Eat poo poo, Pat, either way.

The Fear posted:

it's REALLY weird that the government shot the same woman in the throat that also cut off her husbands dick

Xenocides posted:

I am suffering from a breakthrough covid case and just learned that I am in the top 5 posters in the last ‘lol’ thread.

Coincidence? Or a fitting karmic backlash?

Don’t be like me kids.

Gutter Phoenix posted:

No, I didn't forget about Paul, but he never met Jesus (except once after Jesus' death during an apparent hallucination), so his word is suspect. Also, Paul never talked much about Jesus' actual message, just that he was the messiah (not unlike Jack Chick!). Christians have just been polishing that turd since then.

Personally, I think Jesus probably existed, and preached some sort of eschatological doomsday nonsense. Paul took the ball and ran with it.

haljordan posted:

Trump putting the candy bar on that one kid's head and like, patting it is so loving fascinating to me. Like he really has no idea how to interact with ANYONE in any situation other than golf (where he just cheats his rear end off). Same thing with the umbrella outside of AF1. His manservant wasn't there to hold the umbrella for him and figuring out how to close it himself apparently was out of the question so he just dropped it on the ground.

This poo poo belongs in the Louvre:

Gutter Phoenix posted:

Here is a rare photo of Muhammad:

Lucca Blight posted:

Does anyone have that wall of text of every lovely thing Trump did?

The Last Call posted:

CEOs are at their wits’ end — they don’t know how to get their employees back in


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/01/ceos-are-at-their-wits-ends-dont-know-how-to-get-employees-back-in.html


CEOs are at their wits’ end to figure out how to get their employees back into the office as high levels of Covid infections persist 18 months into the pandemic. That’s the sentiment shared by CNBC’s David Faber and Jim Cramer, who regularly speak with business leaders about return-to-work challenges.

“I continue to hear a litany of frustration from those who run large organizations in terms of their inability to get people back in the office,” Faber said Friday in an exchange with his “Squawk on the Street” co-host Cramer. “I had a lunch and a dinner last night,” Faber said. “It’s just a never-ending theme. Some of these CEOs are at their wits’ end as how they deal with it. ‘How do I get people back in.’”

Cramer said possible approval of a new Covid antiviral pill from Merck and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics could be the “game changer we’ve been looking for” to get people who are worried about getting sick at work less fearful to go into the office. Pfizer and Swiss pharmaceutical Roche are also racing to develop Covid drugs.

“A lot of the times when you speak with companies that are involved in the supply chain, the issue is absenteeism,” Cramer said. “People are scared. Maybe if this makes it so you’re less scared, you’re going to show up to work.”

Corporate America has been grappling, in fits and starts as cases fluctuate, with how to safely bring their employees back to work and whether to impose vaccine mandates.

On Friday, PwC announced it will allow all U.S. employees, nearly 40,000 of them, who can telework the ability to work virtually from anywhere in the continental United States moving forward.
Many big technology names including Apple, Amazon, Alphabet’s Google, Facebook and Microsoft have postponed their return-to-work plans.
Salesforce co-founder and CEO Marc Benioff said Tuesday, “We’re not all going back” to the office. CEOs of large companies call him and say they want their employees to return to the office, Benioff said, in an on-stage interview at the Code Conference in Beverly Hills, California. Benioff previously told CNBC he expects 50% to 60% of Salesforce employees to work from home even after the pandemic.
Wall Street financial firms have largely recalled their office workers, with many of them on hybrid schedules. Goldman Sachs is also requiring employees to be vaccinated in order to return to offices, following similar edicts from Morgan Stanley and Citigroup.


The jog situation has truly changed much to the shock of businesses.

EmbryoSteve posted:

I still lol everyday that trump lost his twitter account and can't get it back

Imagine how less peaceful the world be if he had it still