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Taking a look at the new version of Steam OS in a VM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P1MSF1eEWM This will be useful to anyone who has only used Windows before and is wondering what it will be like trying to use the Steam Deck as a full computer
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:cool, so you're saying people emulate switch because yuzu performs better than the switch, also it won't run better than the switch, also it's really about the library, also you haven't actually ever installed yuzu. No, I'm saying Yuzu can perform better than the Switch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMXj-_BXQ0w, here's Mario Golf running at 4K60fps, there's tons of videos of Yuzu performing better than the Switch on a good desktop), but that the Steam Deck might not be able to even match Switch performance.
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Nintendo should really just put all their poo poo on steam and enable cross-platform saves with the switch (some games have it, like Diablo 2). At least, they should have done that a long time ago. Now that the steam deck is coming out, they certainly won't for fear of it eating into switch sales. On the other hand, they should stop making hardware and just focus on making games. Sega is doing far better now than they did during the console wars.
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MarcusSA posted:I'm ok with this because I love my dumb Vita with its over priced (at launch before the SD2Vita) memory cards. 
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Nintendo is making like a bajillion dollars with the switch. It’s a very clear winner. They’ve sold 89 million switches as of august fwiw.
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Sounds like a flop to me!
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MarcusSA posted:Nintendo is making like a bajillion dollars with the switch. It’s a very clear winner. Yes, that's true. But it means I'm forced to play their games on a system that can barely handle 24 fps most of the time.
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Dramicus posted:On the other hand, they should stop making hardware and just focus on making games. Dramicus posted:Sega is doing far better now than they did during the console wars. ExcessBLarg! fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Oct 4, 2021 |
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Dramicus posted:Yes, that's true. But it means I'm forced to play their games on a system that can barely handle 24 fps most of the time. Most of the first party stuff runs pretty great in my experience. I’m not trying to play Doom Eternal or Witcher 3 on switch though. I understand emulation has a LOT of overhead in terms of spec requirements. My gut feeling is that you won’t be playing switch games on a steam deck. I can’t imagine even like gamecube games would be great on it, and I know dolphin rules.
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Stan Taylor posted:Most of the first party stuff runs pretty great in my experience. I’m not trying to play Doom Eternal or Witcher 3 on switch though. I understand emulation has a LOT of overhead in terms of spec requirements. My gut feeling is that you won’t be playing switch games on a steam deck. I can’t imagine even like gamecube games would be great on it, and I know dolphin rules. Ironically Witcher 3 runs better than a lot of other titles. Kind of looks like rear end but still
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It would be a real huge shame if Nintendo hypothetically stopped making hardware. I don’t think anyone else would go nuts with weirdo poo poo like switches and wiis like Nintendo.
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I do have to say good fuckin luck trying to fly with this thing. I was recently on 4 different planes and only one of them had a working power outlet. I'd invest in a big rear end power bank because trying to rely on plane power is gonna have you in for a bad time.
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Stan Taylor posted:Most of the first party stuff runs pretty great in my experience. I’m not trying to play Doom Eternal or Witcher 3 on switch though. I understand emulation has a LOT of overhead in terms of spec requirements. My gut feeling is that you won’t be playing switch games on a steam deck. I can’t imagine even like gamecube games would be great on it, and I know dolphin rules. Oh, the Nintendo titles generally do run smoothly but that's what makes the whole situation so frustrating. Third-party titles often run like rear end for non-obvious reasons, I'm not even referring to Doom Eternal. Basic 2d card games like slay the spire or dead cells will lag and drop below 30 fps quite frequently. Whatever the issue is, the vast majority of Third-party games suffer from this. This means that instead of the switch being an amazing system all-round. It's just an amazing Nintendo machine for Nintendo games. I just want a system that will play everything relatively smoothly. It seems like the steam deck will be able to do that. If it somehow could also emulate the switch smoothly then it would be the ultimate system.
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Gutcruncher posted:It would be a real huge shame if Nintendo hypothetically stopped making hardware. I don’t think anyone else would go nuts with weirdo poo poo like switches and wiis like Nintendo. I could see Nintendo being a really dope peripheral company for all those weird ideas. But I don't ever see Nintendo getting out of the hardware game and putting their poo poo on other platforms. Dramicus posted:Basic 2d card games like slay the spire or dead cells will lag and drop below 30 fps quite frequently. How the gently caress does a card game struggle to maintain 30?
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MarcusSA posted:I do have to say good fuckin luck trying to fly with this thing. I was recently on 4 different planes and only one of them had a working power outlet. I get about 2 hours out of a 26800mah Anker running my win3 at full tilt at 35w tdp playing call of duty.
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sigher posted:How the gently caress does a card game struggle to maintain 30? It's better now than it was at launch, but it still slows down when there are lots of enemies and you select a card, or use a card that has an effect, or when your deck gets reshuffled. For whatever reason the switch doesn't seem to like the 2d effects that slay the spire uses. It's a similar story for Dead cells. It's a pretty basic 2d platformer, but it struggles to maintain 30 fps. Must have something to do with layered effects. The weird thing is I remember the original DS had the same problems. It could handle quite a bit of 3D stuff, but due to the processor they used it was actually not quite as good at rendering 2d stuff as the GBA or super nintendo.
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sigher posted:How the gently caress does a card game struggle to maintain 30? It was written in Java. I'm not saying Java is a bad language, but it certainly smacks of someone who writes enterprise Java for their day job using the only tool they're familiar with, one which isn't well-suited for game development out-of-the-box, to develop a hobby game on the side. Incidentally I write enterprise Java for my day job and at one point used it for some gamedev. Fortunately eventually I stumbled across a game engine that I liked, but there are some data-driven game ideas I have that I'd still be tempted to write in Java just because I have strongly-typed Stockholm syndrome.
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I’m selling my Switch and picking up a Steam Deck precisely because of terrible third-party game performance. I like Nintendo games okay enough, but I’d like to play indie titles without frustration, too. If the Deck can play the lion’s share of 2D indies at at least 30 FPS, that’s better than what I’ve seen on my Switch. Plus, Steam sales are regular and deep. Nintendo makes my wallet hurt ~~
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Insanite posted:Plus, Steam sales are regular and deep. Nintendo makes my wallet hurt ~~ The Nintendo tax is real and it's horseshit. For example Atelier Ryza was recently on sale on both Steam and Switch and for no reason other than "lol it's on the switch, lets charge more" it was 50% off on steam and only 25% off on switch.
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Nintendo has been making the "Nintendo games" tailor for weaker hardware for so many generations by now, I don't think they are even comfortable making games for top tier hardware.
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Fallom posted:Even Nintendo games chug and noticeably drop their resolutions lower than 720p in handheld mode Age of Calamity...
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Insanite posted:I’m selling my Switch and picking up a Steam Deck precisely because of terrible third-party game performance. Yeah I'm gonna lol if I can play Bloodstained, Witcher 3, MH Rise on the Deck better than the Switch but we'll see
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Marx Headroom posted:Yeah I'm gonna lol if I can play Bloodstained, Witcher 3, MH Rise on the Deck better than the Switch but we'll see I mean you’ll be able to yes. The Witcher already runs better on the aya neo and I’m sure rise will as well because it’s a kickin engine they are using. Hell the Aya Neo can play MH World at 30fps(+).
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Marx Headroom posted:Yeah I'm gonna lol if I can play Bloodstained, Witcher 3, MH Rise on the Deck better than the Switch but we'll see The Deck is a considerably more powerful piece of hardware. Like, by a lot. So yes, any cross-platform games will run much better on the Deck.
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i’m laughing on the floor that i can play old rear end games better on hardware that’s four years newer and massively more powerful 😂😂😂
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https://youtu.be/WtfBhNL8UBA FWIW the intel machine does run the Zelda game better than the switch. The deck probably won’t do as well since it’s only 4 cores.
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The Steam Deck's SoC will also be running at a 15W TDP vs the 25W TDP of those chips. It will probably be possible to modify the Deck so the SoC can run at 25W too, except you should expect some serious thermal challenges if you do that. The Steam Deck's cooling is designed for 20W of total system power. Valve and AMD min-maxed the SoC for maximum GPU power, and some CPU cores were sacrificed for more RDNA2 compute units.
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the number of cores doesnt matter as much as the intel cpu in that video boosting up to 1ghz faster than the steam deck can lol and on an intel cpu which has noticeably better per core perf than a zen 2.
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It's mostly the same as what's in the consoles. Zen 2 and RDNA2. Switch emulation is too much to expect out of the Deck unless those emulators make massive gains in CPU emulation efficiency at some point. Cemu seems doable though.
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The United States posted:I thought the Steam Deck was Zen 4? Zen 4 isn't even coming out on desktop until late 2022.
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Replacing the SSD doesn't seem too bad If you really wanted. Really easy to replace the thumb sticks which is actually super cool. Good video for them to put out.
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MarcusSA posted:Really easy to replace the thumb sticks which is actually super cool.
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Valve, I am begging you. Give us Steam Controller 2.
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homeless snail posted:Easy to pull the board they're on out maybe, but that part is gonna be hard to come by unless someone starts making third party modules. 2230 SSDs aren't super common but you can find them if you shop around LambdaTek sell individual Kioxia BG4s in the UK/EU https://www.lambda-tek.com/Kioxia-KBG40ZNS1T02~sh/B43816918
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