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Randalor posted:Size of the build plate would be a decent starting point. Consumer resin printers have a tiiiiiny build area. One big enough to print 28mm scale Rhinos would not be cheap. Elegoo Saturn has a 7.4x4.7x7" build plate. I could print 2 rhino's on it. It is $500. The kickstarted Elegoo Jupiter would be able to print 3 rhinos side by side, and it will retail for $1300. It was true a couple years ago that large resin printers were crazy expensive, but it is no longer so. Like, yes buying 3 rhino's is cheaper, but you can clearly print at fractions of the price of GW models if you take the time to learn how to 3d print, and it can be a reasonable return on investment. Plus it is a fun hobby in and of itself. have a friend who prints as a side job on an Etsy store, and he has about $20k in printers, and is very in the black.
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As an amateur woodworker, I could totally make that table, that chair, that cabinet, etc. Actually, I could make it out of real wood instead of particle board, and custom fit it to your specs. I already have invested in the tools necessary, and the time would be an enjoyable hobby for me so I wouldn't really keep track, you know? I'm also not really considering the time I've spent figuring out what tools to buy, and how to operate them safely, nor am I really considering the space I've dedicated to them, or the cost and effort of maintaining them, or the time I spent making mistakes and getting bad results, because when you do a hobby, those things are all just part of the package. So this means making your own furniture is comparable or cheaper to buying it! Wheeee! You could make all your clothes if you just get a sewing machine and spend time learning how! You could never buy a car again if you just learn how to maintain the one you have, get some tools, and dedicate one saturday every two or three months to working on your car in the driveway! Why would you spend five dollars on a loaf of bread when you can just bake bread? Did you know you could raise chickens, and then your eggs are freeee???? OK I'm going a bit too far here, sorry, sorry. But seriously, the "just 3d print it" thing seems to come up in a lot of TG threads and it's pretty annoying for people who aren't interested in trying to do that. It's a cool hobby and I'm delighted many people enjoy it; it's not a reasonable argumentative tactic to prove your posting enemy is totally wrong about the costs of playing a miniatures game to point out that there might be a pathway to cheaper options if they adopt a new side-hobby. Finally: goodness posted:For $19 I can print 3x 28mm Rhinos in 7 hours fwiw Please don't suggest or recommend to people to 3d-printing copies of actual Games Workshop models. Without making any judgements about the morality: it's a legal morass we don't want to get into on SA. I don't care if you whisper about it via PMs or on your discords or whatnot, let's just avoid discussing it here. Non-copyright-violating proxy models are fine, if you want to share STLs of some Armor Astronaut Warriors or some kind of Fascist Future Fighting Force Tank or whatever I don't care, as long as they don't have suspiciously recognizable pauldrons. The image quoted here is clearly a GW rhino and therefore not kosher.
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It's a lot easier to DIY unit cards with regular old 2D printing for a game like Aeronautica than it is to 3D print anyway.
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Cease to Hope posted:It's a lot easier to DIY unit cards with regular old 2D printing for a game like Aeronautica than it is to 3D print anyway. Still don't understand why you keep going on and on about cards when pushing pretty plastic planes around a board is the primary draw for people playing aeronautica. If they wanted to play a turbogrog chit game (like you) they wouldn't be trying to buy into Aeronautica. You're like someone walking into a fancy French restaurant and complaining about the price of food when McDonalds will supply the same calories for 99cents.
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Randalor posted:Size of the build plate would be a decent starting point. Consumer resin printers have a tiiiiiny build area. One big enough to print 28mm scale Rhinos would not be cheap. Clicking on people's post histories is hard: goodness posted:Anycubic Photon, got it with one of the recent Ebay coupons goodness posted:Got a printer and did a thing, too small but it looks great. unless those recent pictures are like full size rhinos that marines ride in and not cute little ones for epic then idk man
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Z the IVth posted:turbogrog chit game you should probably stop replying until you actually look into any of the games i mentioned tbh. i'm not recommending that people play something like aces high.
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Spanish Manlove posted:unless those recent pictures are like full size rhinos that marines ride in and not cute little ones for epic then idk man He said 28mm rhinos in the post, though. Z the IVth posted:Still don't understand why you keep going on and on about cards when pushing pretty plastic planes around a board is the primary draw for people playing aeronautica. It's reasonable when deconstructing a tabletop game to examine the choices made and critique the choices that don't synergize. Cease to Hope posted:you should probably stop replying until you actually look into any of the games i mentioned tbh. i'm not recommending that people play something like aces high. That said, this is a Games Workshop Specialist Games thread: it's going to be 95% about minis games.
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jassi007 posted:Elegoo Saturn has a 7.4x4.7x7" build plate. I could print 2 rhino's on it. It is $500. The kickstarted Elegoo Jupiter would be able to print 3 rhinos side by side, and it will retail for $1300. It was true a couple years ago that large resin printers were crazy expensive, but it is no longer so. Like, yes buying 3 rhino's is cheaper, but you can clearly print at fractions of the price of GW models if you take the time to learn how to 3d print, and it can be a reasonable return on investment. Plus it is a fun hobby in and of itself. It is much more likely they have the much more expensive phrozen 8k. The Jupiter is still on kickstarter.
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I have a Warhammer Underwood's conundrum I just can't seem to fine an answer for. I'm learning to play with Hedrakka's Madmob, Hedrakka himself has a ranges attack with his staff where I need to roll a spiral to hit. After the spiral is an asterisk. Which I don't know what that means. While reading the rules pamphlet it shows an image of a high elfs stat card which also has a magic attack but he instead has a dash after the spiral dice symbol. What do these mean and where should I have learned this?
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The icon by the name of the attack means "spell", so I assume you'd roll as many dice as his wizard level (2, by the little staff icon by his name). I believe there are cards that can raise/decrease his wizard level, which is why it's not just "Focus 2". Edit: See page 24 of the rules pdf. Vulpes Vulpes fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Oct 5, 2021 |
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Oct 5, 2021 15:45
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Z the IVth posted:My thought was - if i spent the same amount of time printing stuff for sale how much would I have made? Kind of blows my mind to talk about opportunity costs in a hobby where it's common to spend tens, hundreds, or thousands of hours building and painting let alone playing. Costing out your time compared to working for others and direct gain seems like an easy way to increase the amount of anxiety and displeasure in your life. Why do any hobby when you could be working a second job, learning a new marketable skill, doing networking or making goods for sale or something? Wouldn't a contract gig as, say, a developer pay even more than printing some catgirls so you could buy even more GW plastic?
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parabolic posted:Kind of blows my mind to talk about opportunity costs in a hobby where it's common to spend tens, hundreds, or thousands of hours building and painting let alone playing. Costing out your time compared to working for others and direct gain seems like an easy way to increase the amount of anxiety and displeasure in your life. Why do any hobby when you could be working a second job, learning a new marketable skill, doing networking or making goods for sale or something? Wouldn't a contract gig as, say, a developer pay even more than printing some catgirls so you could buy even more GW plastic? Because in this case, printing stuff is a mostly fire-and-forget thing. It takes 5+ hours to print a miniature, and only a few minutes set things up and clean them off after. You can use that 5+ hours to work on your own hobby stuff while technically making a bit of money to fund it.
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Be a cam model in your spare time. Wear a mask if you some sort of coward. Free time is for losers.
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chin up everything sucks posted:Because in this case, printing stuff is a mostly fire-and-forget thing. It takes 5+ hours to print a miniature, and only a few minutes set things up and clean them off after. You can use that 5+ hours to work on your own hobby stuff while technically making a bit of money to fund it. Still sounds like a good way to make a hobby I enjoy into something I don’t
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Crab Dad posted:Be a cam model in your spare time. Wear a mask if you some sort of coward. Free time is for losers. Welcome to femboyhammer, today I'll be 3d printing and assembling an ork fort while cosplaying as an eldar
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Improbable Lobster posted:Welcome to femboyhammer, today I'll be 3d printing and assembling an ork fort while cosplaying as an eldar As long as you show your feet I guess.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Still sounds like a good way to make a hobby I enjoy into something I don’t I mean if you want to figure out the challenge of getting a land raider to print by all means. But if your objective is getting a land raider to paint and play with then it's more efficient to just make money and buy one. Would definitely take time out to print some sick option parts though! Improbable Lobster posted:Welcome to femboyhammer, today I'll be 3d printing and assembling an ork fort while cosplaying as an eldar Are you selling Femboyhammer branded (used) painting water?
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As someone who 3D prints way too many miniatures, I'll say there is still something to be said for clipping something off the sprue and assembling it. It's nice to be able to download and print something (with the ability to do so infinitely, to boot), but there's also something very enjoyable about the whole process of clipping and using plastic cement and scraping mold lines. It's very zen at times.
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drat you young whippersnappers with your resin prints and plastic sprues. *shakes fist oldhammery while painting a unit of Marauder era lead (!) goblins*
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lilljonas posted:drat you young whippersnappers with your resin prints and plastic sprues. *shakes fist oldhammery while painting a unit of Marauder era lead (!) goblins* Hey, I at least started with pewter minis. Lead is a bit before my time, I will admit.
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chin up everything sucks posted:Hey, I at least started with pewter minis. Lead is a bit before my time, I will admit. I'm diving back into old school whfb (there's no thread for that right? Is this the thread now or what?), and managed to pick up a whole bunch of really old orcs & goblins. Some are younger than me by just a year or two, and I'm about to turn 40. :P Just lovely little runts.
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Verisimilidude posted:
x-post from the mini-painting thread. I'm really excited for Necromunda, the crew at my FLGS is really into it and we're starting a big campaign in November. The rules are a big janky in places, but so much of it is fairly elegant. It helps that these are easily some of my favorite models to paint.
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Verisimilidude posted:x-post from the mini-painting thread. I'm really excited for Necromunda, the crew at my FLGS is really into it and we're starting a big campaign in November. The rules are a big janky in places, but so much of it is fairly elegant. It helps that these are easily some of my favorite models to paint. lol that's the first time I've ever heard anyone call Necromunda rules "elegant." It is fun though. Not to bury the lede though, your Death Maiden and Phelynx look amazing.
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Verisimilidude posted:x-post from the mini-painting thread. I'm really excited for Necromunda, the crew at my FLGS is really into it and we're starting a big campaign in November. The rules are a big janky in places, but so much of it is fairly elegant. It helps that these are easily some of my favorite models to paint. That veil is boss af
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How does Necromunda compare to the new Kill Team?
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Bottom Liner posted:How does Necromunda compare to the new Kill Team? They're completely different games. NM is almost an RPG (in terms of detail and complexity) that runs like a campaign driven skirmish game. KT is a low investment skirmish game with lighter campaign elements, more along the lines of Warcry. You can play NM as a straight, one off skirmish, but it really needs a dedicated campaign to really come to full potential. berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 12:50 on Oct 6, 2021 |
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So I'm watching cKnoor's newest Blood Bowl CCl run and he's going with Elves. He seems to be leaning more towards Wrestle than Block. Is Wrestle a better choice for fast teams?
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Travic posted:So I'm watching cKnoor's newest Blood Bowl CCl run and he's going with Elves. He seems to be leaning more towards Wrestle than Block. Is Wrestle a better choice for fast teams? Wrestle is good for taking out a blocking opposition player and will remove their tackle zone freeing up your players.
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Wrestle is fine on defensive players. Like poor player tackle. Don't give wrestle to your ball carriers. And watch Jimmy Fantastic or the Sage instead. Cknoor is not a great player. I played vs both Sage and Jimmy a lot pre BB1-2 on fumble and they are very good. They might have become a bit salty and jaded with BB2 so watch earlier videos.. MRLOLAST fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Oct 6, 2021 |
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Anyone have good recommendations for Kill Team battle reports on Youtube? I mostly see Guerilla Miniatures, and I can't take their presentation style. It's a guy recording the game on his phone with one hand while rolling dice with the other, and it's really hard to watch.
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Funzo posted:Anyone have good recommendations for Kill Team battle reports on Youtube? I mostly see Guerilla Miniatures, and I can't take their presentation style. It's a guy recording the game on his phone with one hand while rolling dice with the other, and it's really hard to watch. GMG have the best production values and Ash doesn't usually disappear up his own arse introspectively like some of the other channels are wont to do. Glacial Geek do some KT Batreps as well and they're pretty amusing to watch.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Wrestle is good for taking out a blocking opposition player and will remove their tackle zone freeing up your players. MRLOLAST posted:Wrestle is fine on defensive players. Like poor player tackle. Don't give wrestle to your ball carriers. Thanks. And I'll have a look at those other players. I do miss cKnoor though. The Changer of Plays LP was great fun.
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Travic posted:So I'm watching cKnoor's newest Blood Bowl CCl run and he's going with Elves. He seems to be leaning more towards Wrestle than Block. Is Wrestle a better choice for fast teams? It's more complicated than that, because Wrestle is generally a weaker skill. Wrestle puts opposing players on the floor more often (while putting your guy down faster, which is usually bad but occasionally strategically useful), while Block does more to keep your guy on his feet while also hurting opposing players more often. That doesn't mean it's useless, just that it's situational and more difficult to use effectively. Wrestle is useless for keeping the ball in your hands, but very good for removing it from the hands of other players. So if you're making a dedicated ball-stripping player, Wrestle is a useful tool for that. Be careful, though, because those position players are often doubling as ball carriers or striker blitzers out to hurt key opposing players, and Block is significantly better than Wrestle for both of those roles. Some people like Wrestle on linemen with no particular prospects who get a skill by accident. I don't, because wrestling down on defense means you still lose their zone of control. This isn't a clear-cut decision, because a soft wrestle down is usually safer for such players than risking being blocked down by another hit, but I don't find that's a major factor.
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Wrestle can also be countered by juggernaut. Mostly seen on high tv chaos. But on a mino as first skill it can be good and then if it gets lucky and rolls a double for block as second skill you have a wrestle killer. Not that Minos are good but they are fun.
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Oct 6, 2021 20:26
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#kill-team Kill team FAQ's are out. Most importantly, Custodes nerfed to 3 APL.
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Anyone here know anything about building Necromunda gangs? Working on my starting list and could use some feedback.quote:Queen - 220cr I may switch out the bolter for a plasma pistol on the queen, which shores up 5 points which I may give to the deathmaiden in the form of throwing knives, but I'm not sure how often they'd really get used. I think a plasma pistol + shockwhip combo could be more effective and solidify her role as a frontliner, but a bolter adds some nice ranged punch.
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Mesh is kind of a questionable choice to start. If you decide you want it, it is fairly cheap, otherwise you are fishing for 5+, if you even get a save. I’d say Smoke would be a better choice to keep from getting shot and getting the Death Maiden in close, but being N18, I doubt there will be a lack of Smoke. For the Death Maiden, she is so combat-centered, you are probably better off forgetting about her shooting and save for Stimm-Slugs for your first Trading Post visit. I’d stick with the Bolter, it works better with the whip. Plasma Pistol/Whip is not a great mix.
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I'm going to a Net Epic Armageddon tournament next month. I'm toying around with 3k points lists. Here is what I'm tentatively taking: Regimental HQ w/ Hydra 525pts Mechanized Infantry 450pts w/ Hydra Infantry 250pts Artillery Battery 250pts - 3 Bombard Storm Trooper w/ chimera 300pts Rough Rider Platoon 150pts Rough Rider Platoon 150pts Sentinels 100pts Warlord Titan 825pts The list has some pretty big flaws, mainly no air cover and a hopeless lack of activations, but it does put some very tough formations into action. I'm not too concerned about sending a super competitive list, mostly I just want to have fun. However, I want to avoid getting absolutely clowned on, as that would not be fun. I'm curious as to folks thoughts on this list.
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Robert Facepalmer posted:Mesh is kind of a questionable choice to start. If you decide you want it, it is fairly cheap, otherwise you are fishing for 5+, if you even get a save. I’d say Smoke would be a better choice to keep from getting shot and getting the Death Maiden in close, but being N18, I doubt there will be a lack of Smoke. Nah, I think Mesh Armour is one of the best values in the game. 'Fishing' for a 5+? It's a 1 in 3 chance dude, it will make a significant difference across a game. I think that giving it to your important guys at Gang Creation is fine, and I would add it to all your fighters quite soon afterward. Starting list is good and sensible. I agree the Death Maiden, with Combat Virtuoso, really does not need any shooting. Spring Up is the key upgrade she should target.
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Virtual Russian posted:I'm going to a Net Epic Armageddon tournament next month. I'm toying around with 3k points lists. Here is what I'm tentatively taking: Things I really like about this list are the non-mechanized infantry you can push forward for garrison duty (I feel like this is the bread and butter for IG and ork tactics in EA), sentinels to sneak victory points and a titan for your opponent to fixate on. You can push the mechanized infantry or HQ up to support the garrison unit and control a third of the board right there. The only waste might be the storm trooper detachment but it also might make a good mobile reserve that can support any successes you have.
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