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nonathlon posted:Pathfinder forked from D&D partly so people could keep playing 3.5, and partly to tweak the rules, right? So if Pathfinder is going to remap onto D&D v5 ... why not just play D&D, or is there something more on offer? I think this is less "we must protect our precious tummyfeels from the future" and more "we love this game, for some goddamn reason, but it also sucks, so let's try to make it suck less." It's just that as products those two attitudes can result in largely the same thing.
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nonathlon posted:Pathfinder forked from D&D partly so people could keep playing 3.5, and partly to tweak the rules, right? So if Pathfinder is going to remap onto D&D v5 ... why not just play D&D, or is there something more on offer? So while I've moved back to 4e for the games I run largely due to it having more depth in both character creation in combat, other people I play with are sticking with 5e. Supposedly, this book is designed so that you can have a party mixed with these classes as well as the vanilla 5e ones without much issue. So assuming they pull it off, this book will let me be able to have more fun in the games my friends run.
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Couple new boardgame KSes that seemed interesting (although I haven't delved deep enough to say whether or not they seem like they play well): Fractal is a space 4x if Voidfall wasn't your bag. The expansion has some sort of legacy component to it. Mythwind is an asymmetrical co-op game that seemingly doesn't have an objective? Like you play and build up a town together and then I guess just retire it whenever you feel like it and start a new game. I dig the way that it did "saving" the game, though, with personalized trays for each character where they slot in their progress, which (theoretically) preserves it.
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Gao posted:So while I've moved back to 4e for the games I run largely due to it having more depth in both character creation in combat, other people I play with are sticking with 5e. Supposedly, this book is designed so that you can have a party mixed with these classes as well as the vanilla 5e ones without much issue. So assuming they pull it off, this book will let me be able to have more fun in the games my friends run. The pitch is also that it's adding more 4e into the mix with a full warlord class and a rebuilt fighter with much more than the single page of maneuvers that Mearls left the class with.
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nonathlon posted:Pathfinder forked from D&D partly so people could keep playing 3.5, and partly to tweak the rules, right? So if Pathfinder is going to remap onto D&D v5 ... why not just play D&D, or is there something more on offer? ...I was using "Pathfindering" as a verb, not a noun. This isn't a PF thing in the sense of actually being related to the game Pathfinder, they are "Pathfindering" in the sense of trying to do for 5E what Pathfinder did for 3.5E.
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dwarf74 posted:Goddamn it. Morrus does not write good rules, and I'm not remotely the audience for "5E but MORE!"... However there's a Zeitgeist setting guide as an add-on and. Well, poo poo. If it helps you decide, I've read the current 5e version of Zeitgeist and it suuuuuuuuuuucks. Zeitgeist as an AP was written (as far as I can tell) with a clear-sighted view of what makes 4e great and leaned heavily on those elements -- but those don't translate to 5e at all.
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potatocubed posted:If it helps you decide, I've read the current 5e version of Zeitgeist and it suuuuuuuuuuucks. Makes sense. I was in a short lived game of the Pathfinder version and it was very clear that it was designed for 4e and only barely adapted.
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potatocubed posted:If it helps you decide, I've read the current 5e version of Zeitgeist and it suuuuuuuuuuucks.  And wow, that does not remotely surprise me. It was such a good 4e campaign, and I can't imagine it being nearly as fun in anything else.
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senrath posted:Makes sense. I was in a short lived game of the Pathfinder version and it was very clear that it was designed for 4e and only barely adapted. It's funny, because some of the stuff they crowbarred into Zeitgeist 4e clearly came from Pathfinder or earlier editions of D&D. Like there are weapons and monsters that can make you lose limbs. Great, the party's Warden lost a limb in a fight. Turns out 4e D&D doesn't have rules to grow a limb back, because 4e D&D doesn't have rules for limb loss in the first place. I'll agree with dwarf74 as well, some of the worst stuff in Zeitgeist was when the adventure writers decided that the existing rules of the game they were playing weren't good enough, and decided to write entire new rules systems for themselves - the naval combat rules are widely regarded as bad, the prestige system is very wonky if players actually lean into it, and the rules they wrote for long-running investigations and building projects got boring long before they looked like they were going to conclude. I think in every situation where they'd written a rules system like that I ended up re-routing the game into using normal rules on the fly. Am I nuts as well, or is £60 for four PDFs a lot? I guess they are big PDFs. Gort fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Oct 6, 2021 |
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The main author of Zeitgeist explained it this way:quote:The actual process was that I wrote adventures 1 and 2, and other authors for 3 and 4, and we got Thurston Hillman to convert them to PF, then he wrote adv 5, I did 6 and 7, he did 8, I did 9, he did 10, Liz Courts and I did 11, and I did the rest. The ones where Thurston or Liz were lead, they wrote them first in PF, and I converted to 4e. Everything else was written in 4e first, then converted to PF. He also said that while he wasn't involved in 5e and Pathfinder conversions early on, he planned to be in the future. There's some hope that new stuff will be better than past 5e stuff.
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On Level Up, the monster redesign has been led by Paul Hughes (Blog of Holding), the guy behind "Monster Manual 3 on a Business Card", which was/is a really useful resource for 4E players. So I trust that this part of Level Up, at least, has been carefully thought through - you can read his summary of his contributions here, and that blog in general has a lot of good stuff on how different D&D forks approach monster design differently. Doesn't mean it'll be your cup of tea, of course! Sanglorian fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Oct 6, 2021 |
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Oct 6, 2021 23:42
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That is a pretty convincing blog post, I agree with everything he's said there.
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1500 pages lol but "I play a lot of high-level D&D," and the rest of the post actually make me think they might be... improving... 5e? making it decent? doing game design?
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Gort posted:That is a pretty convincing blog post, I agree with everything he's said there. Huh. Am I going to get this for more than just the Zeitgeist guide? I'm considering it more than I was. E: I don't know from 5e but they posted this. Haven't looked closely yet. https://www.levelup5e.com/news/class-preview-adept dwarf74 fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Oct 7, 2021 |
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So AZADI, the expansion to SHASN, wraps up soon, and I'm eyeing it. Has anyone played the original, is it worth going in on? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zainmemon/shasn-azadi-what-will-freedom-cost
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Tsilkani posted:So AZADI, the expansion to SHASN, wraps up soon, and I'm eyeing it. Has anyone played the original, is it worth going in on? From what I can tell, it's a separate game with shared mechanics, although I assume there's nothing stopping you from using the azadi scenarios in shasn. I backed it, then canceled my pledge after looking at a few gameplay vids of shasn. It seemed like having to do the narrative thing every turn can really kill the flow of the game. I also noticed that the players in the shasn game I watched had a lot of dead turns, where they didn't really do anything to affect the board since they didn't have the resources to get new dudes. But this is just from watching the game being played and reading the rules. Maybe actually playing it is a different experience, but I didn't really feel like gambling a hundred dollars to find out.
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Looks like a localization of Psychic Pizza Deliverers go to the Ghost Town is coming to kickstarter soon. Definitely recommend it as a fun little deduction game where I've spent too much time arguing about what the green leaf pizza is.
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GrandpaPants posted:From what I can tell, it's a separate game with shared mechanics, although I assume there's nothing stopping you from using the azadi scenarios in shasn. I really enjoy Shasn. It can play very fast and be dynamic. It's basically an engine building game where you build resources and actions. You have to think a lot about how you are building and how your opponents are building. You may have a few dead turns early on but they are all to build the engine. You can also add a lot of complexity through opinion components and rules. By default you have 4 lines of upgrades you can get based on ideologies. Then you could add elites which are combos of ideologies with other powers. You can add powers to territories that the person who controls them gains as well. In larger games you can add a stability track that players have to balance as well or the country becomes unstable and impacts gameplay. Once you get the engine running there are a lot of strategic levers you can pull. If you invest heavily in the Showstopper Ideology you can put down a lot of votes to quickly take territory. However, your opponent who invested in capitalism might just evict them or you Idealist opponent my convert them to his voters. Someone can get an early lead but then get shut down hard as other players powers come online. The game is easy enough to teach my kid or a very new gamer within a few minutes. Learning all the strategy interactions can be really deep. My family enjoys it about as much as Wingspan. I think Azadi will feel very similar. It has a lot of the same bones but just new areas of complexity. Saltpowered fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Oct 8, 2021 |
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My copy of Radlands arrived today and Roxley Games have knocked it out of the park again. I got the Super Deluxe edition, which is limited, and looks like Australia got in on the arse end of it    Inside looks fantastic as well, and comes with 2 game mats.   The actual game box itself is teeny tiny  Outside has a magnetic clasp   Every inch of the outside is gorgeous   Not an inch wasted inside, with the manual hiding up the back   They've gone the extra mile as well as even the slots where you store your cards have artwork  The cards themselves are made using a new process they're calling Synth Cards - Removing the need to sleeve.  They've got a unique sheen to them and feel really great in your hands. I suck at shuffling, but these 'slide' across each other fantastically.  I'm not going to get the mats out until I'm ready to play, but Rodney over at Watch It Played just put up a great 17min How To Play as part of the campaign which shows them off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00HDPb-BrLA Really really happy with this. I was already super impressed with Steampunk Rally Atomic Deluxe Edition, and the set of Iron Clays I got with it, and now I have this work of art in my collection as well. Heavily considering backing Dice Throne x Marvel purely off the back of this, cause I feel comfortable trusting Roxley for their Kickstarter stuff. Quality and price point is 
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$50 Canadian for base pledge $25 for Deluxe upgrade $15 shipping to Australia  Fantastic pricing.
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Kickstarters in Canadian dollars are the only time I see decent value anymore (especially post-Brexit) Anything from Roxley or Burnt Island Games always gets you a shitload for your money
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Hollandia posted:That looks great, regretting not backing. How was the shipping to Oz? That's what usually puts me off. Oh also you can still order this if you want, and even get the Deluxe version https://radlands.backerkit.com/hosted_preorders
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Infinitum posted:They've got a unique sheen to them and feel really great in your hands. I suck at shuffling, but these 'slide' across each other fantastically. That card tech is what made me curious about the project, but not enough to buy in. They kind of look like a cross between a linen-finished/air cushioned card (like a Bicycle deck) and a matte sleeve (like a Dragon Shield Matte). How do they feel compared to something like a MTG or other CCG card? Assuming you've actually handled enough of them to have an opinion, of course.
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Magnetic North posted:That card tech is what made me curious about the project, but not enough to buy in. They kind of look like a cross between a linen-finished/air cushioned card (like a Bicycle deck) and a matte sleeve (like a Dragon Shield Matte). How do they feel compared to something like a MTG or other CCG card? Assuming you've actually handled enough of them to have an opinion, of course. I do not play MTG, CCGs, nor do I typically sleeve my cards. I do, however, own a copy of the base Arkham Horror CCG and can at least give you a lay persons perspective. Radlands left, Arkham right.  Radlands is a thicker 'card' stock than Arkham. Through some very light flexing a standard Arkham card started to retain a bow to it, whereas the Radland remained straight. ------------------- Side by side under light.     On the bottom row I focus the light on the Radlands card, and then the Arkham to try and show the patterns. You can notice on the Arkham card that it has a standard interwoven horizontal and vertical pattern to the card stock, whereas the Radlands card doesn't really have one. It definitely has a more 'plastic' texturing to it. The Radlands card has a 'bumpier' texture to it compared to the Arkham card, and the friction feel when rubbing two similar cards against each other is completely different. Arkham cards will 'grip' each other Radlands cards seem to glide over one another. As I mentioned earlier I am very average at shuffling cards, but the Radlands cards were very easy for me to shuffle as they were just gliding over each other on a standard shuffle. If you could replace the cards in all of my board games with this type of card stock I would do so without complaints They don't feel like any card I've dealt with before across all of my collection, but they're probably the nicest cards I've had in my hands for a long time if that makes sense? They're plastic cards that act like paper. Not sure how useful that is to you, but they feel super loving nice and they feel and look like a very high quality card. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Infinitum fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Oct 8, 2021 |
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Yeah the Watch It Played video shows them off really well. All the colours are super bright and vibrant with a matte finish. I don't want to ramble on or get too wanky about it, but they're super nice cards and I can't say enough nice things about them
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Infinitum posted:The cards themselves are made using a new process they're calling Synth Cards - Removing the need to sleeve. Not sure how that removes the need to sleeve since sleeves have always been about preserving the edges of cards for me. Then again, I'm not great at bridge shuffling unless there's just the right number of cards (40-80 or so), so I usually use edge-to-edge shuffling.
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Infinitum posted:
Thanks for the layman's perspective. I'm a card game player so I really want to get my grubby mitts on them to see them in person but I don't want to buy it just to look at sexy plastic cards. I already have a copy of Gloom for that.
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Hexplore It 1 through 3 showed up yesterday and I'm beyond excited. I never knew how much I wanted this game system and its mix of tactics and storytelling until it showed up and I started feeling out its possibilities. It's rad. /kiryu
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Memnaelar posted:Hexplore It 1 through 3 showed up yesterday and I'm beyond excited. I never knew how much I wanted this game system and its mix of tactics and storytelling until it showed up and I started feeling out its possibilities. Got mine too and I’m so excited. Going to be a pain in the rear end to haul it across the country with me (of course it arrived after the movers came but before I moved), though. That was a solid brick of a box full of goodness they dropped off! Might dig into a solo play of it or something over my next work holiday and try it out. It seems so great!
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Agrias120 posted:Got mine too and I’m so excited. Going to be a pain in the rear end to haul it across the country with me (of course it arrived after the movers came but before I moved), though. That was a solid brick of a box full of goodness they dropped off! My first play of Dead King is set up and ready to go when I finish my workday today; it and a bourbon will make up for a pretty crappy work week. I had thought Shurax would be WAY too monstrous of an open world to be enjoyable, but now I'm thinking a few plays of this and Adrimon should smooth me right into the world's best Dark Sun/Egyptian mythology mash-up with way, way, WAY more options than any open-world boardgame should have in a box this small. I'm crazy impressed. Not sure if I'd ever 2P it with anyone other than my wife (much less ever get to 4 or 6 players) but who knows?
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Memnaelar posted:My first play of Dead King is set up and ready to go when I finish my workday today; it and a bourbon will make up for a pretty crappy work week. I had thought Shurax would be WAY too monstrous of an open world to be enjoyable, but now I'm thinking a few plays of this and Adrimon should smooth me right into the world's best Dark Sun/Egyptian mythology mash-up with way, way, WAY more options than any open-world boardgame should have in a box this small. I'd love to hear your thoughts after your first play session! I originally bought it for my Gloomhaven group to dig into as a big change of pace for us, but now that I'm no longer living locally to them I think it'll end up a solo play kind of thing primarily.
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Memnaelar posted:Hexplore It 1 through 3 showed up yesterday and I'm beyond excited. I never knew how much I wanted this game system and its mix of tactics and storytelling until it showed up and I started feeling out its possibilities. I immensely regret that I went all-in after they ran out of the early ship for 1-3, but this just means I'll have a gigantic box coming to me sometime next year (hopefully).
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70min warning on - Shasn/Azadi - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zainmemon/shasn-azadi-what-will-freedom-cost 34hr warning on - Eastern/Mega Empires - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/999games/eastern-empires I'm backing a $1 on Eastern Empires. Gonna see if they have Western Empires on the cheap via the pledge manager.
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Infinitum posted:70min warning on - Shasn/Azadi - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zainmemon/shasn-azadi-what-will-freedom-cost Ive been thinking about SHASN/AZADI but I don't particularly understand if I need both or just one, it's a bit expensive for both, $200 for something IDK if I'm even going to like seems too much GreenBuckanneer fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Oct 9, 2021 |
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