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Nichael
Mar 30, 2011



Yes, we are going to enslave people to become doctors and I will marry a carrot.

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Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000


Ultra Carp
Grays Anatomy but with slaves

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

A new national guard or americorps but for healthcare would be great, give people some option to work in medicine but bypass the hospital/insurance system completely. Do that and you might actually get some non garbage humans interested in becoming and staying doctors.

Cranappleberry
Jan 27, 2009

camoseven posted:

My wife is a doctor and literally no one she has gone to school with or done residency/fellowship with would say the system is good, let alone great lmao. It's completely broken and lovely and everyone knows it!

This is 100% true though

I'm going by the people I know. They bought into the propaganda/learning hardcore.

I do think it's an experience thing, though. Some will eventually realize it's hosed, the narcissists on the other hand...

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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camoseven posted:

My wife is a doctor and literally no one she has gone to school with or done residency/fellowship with would say the system is good, let alone great lmao. It's completely broken and lovely and everyone knows it!

Number don't go up enough if people don't have to waste 6 figures and a complete pointless 3 to 5 years in the M.D system

Barnum Brown Shoes
Jan 29, 2013

ellasmith posted:

why is this the only thread in cspam thats interesting to read?

I also like the games thread

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Cranappleberry posted:

Med school students and residents will tell you the system is great, though.

meanwhile, there are people who got straight C's getting in because of their dad's connections or barely attending their rotations but the school still keeps them because they don't want to lose the student or the money.

...and one day they'll be your doctor!

back in the 1930s when there was a shortage of doctors in canada, the med schools lowered the passing grade to a 30. my dad's doctor he had as a kid always joked with him: "and I"m not going to tell you what I got"

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Dreylad posted:

back in the 1930s when there was a shortage of doctors in canada, the med schools lowered the passing grade to a 30. my dad's doctor he had as a kid always joked with him: "and I"m not going to tell you what I got"

New proposal: every doctor has to display their Lives Saved/Lives Lost ratio on their nametags.

Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008



is pepsi ok posted:

libs be like "why is everyone unhappy with the captain of this sinking ship? he gave such a powerful speech about how we should remain calm and offered everyone a free drink coupon."

Ted Kaczynski posted:

Ship of Fools

Once upon a time, the captain and the mates of a ship grew so vain of their seamanship, so full of hubris and so impressed with themselves, that they went mad. They turned the ship north and sailed until they met with icebergs and dangerous floes, and they kept sailing north into more and more perilous waters, solely in order to give themselves opportunities to perform ever-more-brilliant feats of seamanship.

As the ship reached higher and higher latitudes, the passengers and crew became increasingly uncomfortable. They began quarreling among themselves and complaining of the conditions under which they lived.

“Shiver me timbers,” said an able seaman, “if this ain’t the worst voyage I’ve ever been on. The deck is slick with ice; when I’m on lookout the wind cuts through me jacket like a knife; every time I reef the foresail I blamed-near freeze me fingers; and all I get for it is a miserable five shillings a month!”

“You think you have it bad!” said a lady passenger. “I can’t sleep at night for the cold. Ladies on this ship don’t get as many blankets as the men. It isn’t fair!”

A Mexican sailor chimed in: “¡Chingado! I’m only getting half the wages of the Anglo seamen. We need plenty of food to keep us warm in this climate, and I’m not getting my share; the Anglos get more. And the worst of it is that the mates always give me orders in English instead of Spanish.”

“I have more reason to complain than anybody,” said an American Indian sailor. “If the palefaces hadn’t robbed me of my ancestral lands, I wouldn’t even be on this ship, here among the icebergs and arctic winds. I would just be paddling a canoe on a nice, placid lake. I deserve compensation. At the very least, the captain should let me run a crap game so that I can make some money.”

The bosun spoke up: “Yesterday the first mate called me a ‘fruit’ just because I suck cocks. I have a right to suck cocks without being called names for it!”

It’s not only humans who are mistreated on this ship,” interjected an animal-lover among the passengers, her voice quivering with indignation. “Why, last week I saw the second mate kick the ship’s dog twice!”

One of the passengers was a college professor. Wringing his hands he exclaimed,

“All this is just awful! It’s immoral! It’s racism, sexism, speciesism, homophobia, and exploitation of the working class! It’s discrimination! We must have social justice: Equal wages for the Mexican sailor, higher wages for all sailors, compensation for the Indian, equal blankets for the ladies, a guaranteed right to suck cocks, and no more kicking the dog!”

“Yes, yes!” shouted the passengers. “Aye-aye!” shouted the crew. “It’s discrimination! We have to demand our rights!”

The cabin boy cleared his throat.

“Ahem. You all have good reasons to complain. But it seems to me that what we really have to do is get this ship turned around and headed back south, because if we keep going north we’re sure to be wrecked sooner or later, and then your wages, your blankets, and your right to suck cocks won’t do you any good, because we’ll all drown.”

But no one paid any attention to him, because he was only the cabin boy.

The captain and the mates, from their station on the poop deck, had been watching and listening. Now they smiled and winked at one another, and at a gesture from the captain the third mate came down from the poop deck, sauntered over to where the passengers and crew were gathered, and shouldered his way in amongst them. He put a very serious expression on his face and spoke thusly:

“We officers have to admit that some really inexcusable things have been happening on this ship. We hadn’t realized how bad the situation was until we heard your complaints. We are men of good will and want to do right by you. But — well — the captain is rather conservative and set in his ways, and may have to be prodded a bit before he’ll make any substantial changes. My personal opinion is that if you protest vigorously — but always peacefully and without violating any of the ship’s rules — you would shake the captain out of his inertia and force him to address the problems of which you so justly complain.”

Having said this, the third mate headed back toward the poop deck. As he went, the passengers and crew called after him, “Moderate! Reformer! Goody-liberal! Captain’s stooge!” But they nevertheless did as he said. They gathered in a body before the poop deck, shouted insults at the officers, and demanded their rights: “I want higher wages and better working conditions,” cried the able seaman. “Equal blankets for women,” cried the lady passenger. “I want to receive my orders in Spanish,” cried the Mexican sailor. “I want the right to run a crap game,” cried the Indian sailor. “I don’t want to be called a fruit,” cried the bosun. “No more kicking the dog,” cried the animal lover. “Revolution now,” cried the professor.

The captain and the mates huddled together and conferred for several minutes, winking, nodding and smiling at one another all the while. Then the captain stepped to the front of the poop deck and, with a great show of benevolence, announced that the able seaman’s wages would be raised to six shillings a month; the Mexican sailor’s wages would be raised to two-thirds the wages of an Anglo seaman, and the order to reef the foresail would be given in Spanish; lady passengers would receive one more blanket; the Indian sailor would be allowed to run a crap game on Saturday nights; the bosun wouldn’t be called a fruit as long as he kept his cocksucking strictly private; and the dog wouldn’t be kicked unless he did something really naughty, such as stealing food from the galley.

The passengers and crew celebrated these concessions as a great victory, but the next morning, they were again feeling dissatisfied.

“Six shillings a month is a pittance, and I still freeze me fingers when I reef the foresail,” grumbled the able seaman. “I’m still not getting the same wages as the Anglos, or enough food for this climate,” said the Mexican sailor. “We women still don’t have enough blankets to keep us warm,” said the lady passenger. The other crewmen and passengers voiced similar complaints, and the professor egged them on.

When they were done, the cabin boy spoke up — louder this time so that the others could not easily ignore him:

“It’s really terrible that the dog gets kicked for stealing a bit of bread from the galley, and that women don’t have equal blankets, and that the able seaman gets his fingers frozen; and I don’t see why the bosun shouldn’t suck cocks if he wants to. But look how thick the icebergs are now, and how the wind blows harder and harder! We’ve got to turn this ship back toward the south, because if we keep going north we’ll be wrecked and drowned.”

“Oh yes,” said the bosun, “It’s just so awful that we keep heading north. But why should I have to keep cocksucking in the closet? Why should I be called a fruit? Ain’t I as good as everyone else?”

“Sailing north is terrible,” said the lady passenger. “But don’t you see? That’s exactly why women need more blankets to keep them warm. I demand equal blankets for women now!”

“It’s quite true,” said the professor, “that sailing to the north imposes great hardships on all of us. But changing course toward the south would be unrealistic. You can’t turn back the clock. We must find a mature way of dealing with the situation.”

“Look,” said the cabin boy, “If we let those four madmen up on the poop deck have their way, we’ll all be drowned. If we ever get the ship out of danger, then we can worry about working conditions, blankets for women, and the right to suck cocks. But first we’ve got to get this vessel turned around. If a few of us get together, make a plan, and show some courage, we can save ourselves. It wouldn’t take many of us — six or eight would do. We could charge the poop, chuck those lunatics overboard, and turn the ship to the south.”

The professor elevated his nose and said sternly, “I don’t believe in violence. It’s immoral.”

“It’s unethical ever to use violence,” said the bosun.

“I’m terrified of violence,” said the lady passenger.

The captain and the mates had been watching and listening all the while. At a signal from the captain, the third mate stepped down to the main deck. He went about among the passengers and crew, telling them that there were still many problems on the ship.

“We have made much progress,” he said, “But much remains to be done. Working conditions for the able seaman are still hard, the Mexican still isn’t getting the same wages as the Anglos, the women still don’t have quite as many blankets as the men, the Indian’s Saturday-night crap game is a paltry compensation for his lost lands, it’s unfair to the bosun that he has to keep his cocksucking in the closet, and the dog still gets kicked at times.

“I think the captain needs to be prodded again. It would help if you all would put on another protest — as long as it remains nonviolent.”

As the third mate walked back toward the stern, the passengers and the crew shouted insults after him, but they nevertheless did what he said and gathered in front of the poop deck for another protest. They ranted and raved and brandished their fists, and they even threw a rotten egg at the captain (which he skillfully dodged).

After hearing their complaints, the captain and the mates huddled for a conference, during which they winked and grinned broadly at one another. Then the captain stepped to the front of the poop deck and announced that the able seaman would be given gloves to keep his fingers warm, the Mexican sailor would receive wages equal to three-fourths the wages of an Anglo seaman, the women would receive yet another blanket, the Indian sailor could run a crap game on Saturday and Sunday nights, the bosun would be allowed to suck cocks publicly after dark, and no one could kick the dog without special permission from the captain.

The passengers and crew were ecstatic over this great revolutionary victory, but by the next morning they were again feeling dissatisfied and began grumbling about the same old hardships.

The cabin boy this time was getting angry.

“You drat fools!” he shouted. “Don’t you see what the captain and the mates are doing? They’re keeping you occupied with your trivial grievances about blankets and wages and the dog being kicked so that you won’t think about what is really wrong with this ship — that it’s getting farther and farther to the north and we’re all going to be drowned. If just a few of you would come to your senses, get together, and charge the poop deck, we could turn this ship around and save ourselves. But all you do is whine about petty little issues like working conditions and crap games and the right to suck cocks.”

The passengers and the crew were incensed.

“Petty!!” cried the Mexican, “Do you think it’s reasonable that I get only three-fourths the wages of an Anglo sailor? Is that petty?”

“How can you call my grievance trivial? shouted the bosun. “Don’t you know how humiliating it is to be called a fruit?”

“Kicking the dog is not a ‘petty little issue!’” screamed the animal-lover. “It’s heartless, cruel, and brutal!”

“Alright then,” answered the cabin boy. “These issues are not petty and trivial. Kicking the dog is cruel and brutal and it is humiliating to be called a fruit. But in comparison to our real problem — in comparison to the fact that the ship is still heading north — your grievances are petty and trivial, because if we don’t get this ship turned around soon, we’re all going to drown.”

“Fascist!” said the professor.

“Counterrevolutionary!” said the lady passenger. And all of the passengers and crew chimed in one after another, calling the cabin boy a fascist and a counterrevolutionary. They pushed him away and went back to grumbling about wages, and about blankets for women, and about the right to suck cocks, and about how the dog was treated. The ship kept sailing north, and after a while it was crushed between two icebergs and everyone drowned.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-ship-of-fools

Shipon posted:

if anything it's even more of a "gently caress you", yeah we know you're suffering but we're not doing anything but empty platitudes deal with it peasant

To perhaps make a weird comparison, it reminds me of land acknowledgements.



"Yes, we killed your ancestors and took their stuff. You're still poor and disadvantaged because of that, generations later. But we acknowledge that this happened. We're not going to help you or anything, but we'll indirectly brag about how badly your ancestors lost. You are the magical creatures who tend the land, and after things get bad enough that we can't ignore them, we'll probably look to you for solutions that we won't actually do, but we'll pretend to listen."

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

camoseven posted:

My wife is a doctor and literally no one she has gone to school with or done residency/fellowship with would say the system is good, let alone great lmao. It's completely broken and lovely and everyone knows it!

This is 100% true though

a good friend of mine is a doctor and I asked him how it's going and he's just like "I give old people pill lol that's it" and he worked his rear end off since he was little to become a doctor. straight A's all throughout high school and college, constant volunteer work, research as an undergrad and he's just a glorified pill dispenser lol owned

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Toph Bei Fong posted:


To perhaps make a weird comparison, it reminds me of land acknowledgements.

"Yes, we killed your ancestors and took their stuff. You're still poor and disadvantaged because of that, generations later. But we acknowledge that this happened. We're not going to help you or anything, but we'll indirectly brag about how badly your ancestors lost. You are the magical creatures who tend the land, and after things get bad enough that we can't ignore them, we'll probably look to you for solutions that we won't actually do, but we'll pretend to listen."

yeah, land acknowledgements are a lot like the gibberish aoc's been pumping out to defend her voting. it's not just pablum or bromides, its also the extreme tediousness of going through an overwritten, overwrought statement that means nothing.

i need to not be worked up about it but i keep getting emails from the school district that are incomprehensible as they try to say whether they're for or against the new TIF proposal and don't want to actually say anything concrete. but it's oh so important to issue a statement even if it says nothing

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

sounds like your friend is a pharmacy tech

camoseven
Dec 30, 2005

RODOLPHONE RINGIN'

Palladium posted:

Number don't go up enough if people don't have to waste 6 figures and a complete pointless 3 to 5 years in the M.D system

I'm pretty sure the minimum number of years to practice in the US is 11 years (4 undergrad, 4 med school, 3 intern/residency)

spacemang_spliff posted:

a good friend of mine is a doctor and I asked him how it's going and he's just like "I give old people pill lol that's it" and he worked his rear end off since he was little to become a doctor. straight A's all throughout high school and college, constant volunteer work, research as an undergrad and he's just a glorified pill dispenser lol owned

Yea my wife is super subspecialized so she doesn't really deal with that. Instead she deals with the extreme lack of doctors and nurses, and the cost cutting that all the admins are constantly doing. Fun!!!

ben shapino
Nov 22, 2020

spacemang_spliff posted:

a good friend of mine is a doctor and I asked him how it's going and he's just like "I give old people pill lol that's it" and he worked his rear end off since he was little to become a doctor. straight A's all throughout high school and college, constant volunteer work, research as an undergrad and he's just a glorified pill dispenser lol owned

how much does he make

Organ Fiend
May 21, 2007

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spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

ben shapino posted:

how much does he make

more than me but IDK

he's still in the Navy so probably less than a typical doctor but they paid for his medical school

his wife is also a doctor

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

i got hit on by a doctor once, it was flattering

sleep with the vicious
Apr 2, 2010
Dnd perspective is that the Democrat party has owned the Republicans by extending the debt ceiling by two months, and Schumer clowned on them with an epic speech

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy has this to say about the phrase "I See You": "Wildlife activists have taken the position that this phrase is ableist and specifically discriminatory toward the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal, which can become confused if told that you can see it when it cannot see you. When approached for comment on their position, activist leader Wermon Zzaxx simply told us that we'all were not ready for this conversation. When we insisted that we were in fact ready, Mr. Zzaxx interceded with our editors to revoke our Guide privileges for six Terran hours."

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

sleep with the vicious posted:

Dnd perspective is that the Democrat party has owned the Republicans by extending the debt ceiling by two months, and Schumer clowned on them with an epic speech

lmao

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


https://twitter.com/dylanmatt/status/1446460334936674307?s=20

hell yeah

Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008



Has "y''all not ready for that conversation" even been followed up with something substantive?

Or it is like "problematic" where it means "I can't articulate my thoughts on this subject in a coherent way, so just acknowledge that I'm right because I said the magic phrase"?

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

We lost the majority again! Oh well, time to rally behind Chuck & Nancy and reelect them to leadership, we need their experience now more than ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-MOwhsjZQ4

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Hyman Busted!!

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Pryor on Fire posted:

A new national guard or americorps but for healthcare would be great, give people some option to work in medicine but bypass the hospital/insurance system completely. Do that and you might actually get some non garbage humans interested in becoming and staying doctors.

when the big balk finally happens and I declare my posting dungeon Real America™ I'll just bring in the Cuban doctors

bing bong so simple

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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camoseven posted:

I'm pretty sure the minimum number of years to practice in the US is 11 years (4 undergrad, 4 med school, 3 intern/residency)

Yea my wife is super subspecialized so she doesn't really deal with that. Instead she deals with the extreme lack of doctors and nurses, and the cost cutting that all the admins are constantly doing. Fun!!!

Singapore is 4 year undergrad + 1 year of intern for a practicing MBBS doc IIRC

ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019



:420::toot::420:
Neither Nixon nor George W Bush are actually comparable to the president attempting to overturn their losing election. Stop.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Mirello posted:

off topic but so much of that show later on became that speech of the con artist from the chocolate selling episode of spongebob: "every morning all my bones break and every night I have 10 heart attacks before I fall asleep" just comparing tragadies and victimhood. it really lost me by the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfsWB3tsxgg

Raskolnikov38 has issued a correction as of 15:48 on Oct 8, 2021

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

sleep with the vicious posted:

Dnd perspective is that the Democrat party has owned the Republicans by extending the debt ceiling by two months, and Schumer clowned on them with an epic speech

Well they thought Pelosi clapping funny was a really big/brave thing to do, so yeah. Libs are dumb.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

mastershakeman posted:

Residency slots also limit doctors

And a lot of the funding for residency comes form medicaid. So congress could expand residencies but don't

it's seriously the main bottleneck

only ~80% of med school graduates match into a residency program each year

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

ram dass in hell posted:

Neither Nixon nor George W Bush are actually comparable to the president attempting to overturn their losing election. Stop.

cheating is okay if it works :hmmyes:

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Toph Bei Fong posted:

Has "y''all not ready for that conversation" even been followed up with something substantive?

Or it is like "problematic" where it means "I can't articulate my thoughts on this subject in a coherent way, so just acknowledge that I'm right because I said the magic phrase"?

Search your heart, you know the answer.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


ram dass in hell posted:

Neither Nixon nor George W Bush are actually comparable to the president attempting to overturn their losing election. Stop.

Nixon and Bush directly murdered millions of people and Trump didn't?

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

ram dass in hell posted:

Neither Nixon nor George W Bush are actually comparable to the president attempting to overturn their losing election. Stop.

they worked so hard to rehabilitate Bush they forgot about Bush v Gore

ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019



:420::toot::420:

spacemang_spliff posted:

they worked so hard to rehabilitate Bush they forgot about Bush v Gore

It's loving hilarious, that might be my favorite d&d post of all time. even more than the iraq predictions, even more than laughable xhosa girl, it's just so loving ftw

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010


balkanize

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

camoseven posted:

My wife is a doctor and literally no one she has gone to school with or done residency/fellowship with would say the system is good, let alone great lmao. It's completely broken and lovely and everyone knows it!

:yossame:

literally every single millennial doctor i've met is all "when the gently caress are we gonna get socialized medicine this system is total bullshit"

and the boomers all try and claim that their pay would go down with such a system but WHOOPS that already happened about when med school costs shot into the atmosphere, which suspiciously happened right after all the boomers finished their training, weird

H.P. Hovercraft has issued a correction as of 15:57 on Oct 8, 2021

Fleetwood
Mar 26, 2010


biggest hochul head in china

Dr Biden, tear down these cell walls!

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

lil poopendorfer posted:

I’m a fan of the grueling residencies :shobon:

You learn to work through fatigue, sleep deprivation, etc. Great training, unironically. Lots of docs have to be on call overnight or even work overnight. Idk how else you’d prepare someone for that.

Everything else posted is pretty much correct

Same rationale the seals use for their training and same outcomes including psychopaths with god complexes, rampant stimulant abuse, and a whole lot of unnecessary death

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docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

ram dass in hell posted:

Neither Nixon nor George W Bush are actually comparable to the president attempting to overturn their losing election. Stop.

Well yeah, they succeeded.

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