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Safari Disco Lion posted:It's a pickaxe upgrade, therefore it's shown on the pickaxe, and the harvest time on the ores is updated too. What about that doesn't make sense? I do not mean the pickaxe level I mean the one that uses energy, it does not update the harvest count on ore it stays the same when it completes. This  does not effect this  it does effect this (which produces nothing) 
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pixaal posted:It doesn't change any of the numbers on the stone though. So it's an additional multiplier but not shown in the UI beyond when you hover over the pickaxe? It really should be shown calculated in the actual drop rate tooltip. How the pickaxe upgrade works is it adds more efficiency multiplier to the pickaxe itself which makes it mine faster. The pickaxe then gives a separate multiplier to stone for drops and also adds linear mining rate for speed. No this isn't explained anywhere and requires taking notes and yes it really should be shown.
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Rynoto posted:How the pickaxe upgrade works is it adds more efficiency multiplier to the pickaxe itself which makes it mine faster. The pickaxe then gives a separate multiplier to stone for drops and also adds linear mining rate for speed. That's what I was looking for. Very little is actually explained so I'm left taking screenshots of tooltips I think it will effect then comparing them when it finishes. Which does not feel good, it feels early access, which is fine it very much looks like early development build with active development which can be really fun to see all the weird changes as they work out balance.
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Oct 8, 2021 16:03
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Man steam is a ludicrous bottleneck later on, especially since the building to automate it is grossly expensive. I think I'm gonna quit, it was kinda interesting but it's gotten way too annoying to have to sit there and manually click on steam over and over to get an upgrade to something else.
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Oct 8, 2021 16:04
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pixaal posted:I do not mean the pickaxe level I mean the one that uses energy, it does not update the harvest count on ore it stays the same when it completes. It increases the speed of the pickaxe. I just used one for the 7th Pickaxe Upgrade and it too my Stone speed from 4.5/s to 4.722/s. The Eff multiplier on the pickaxe's next upgrade also went up from x5 to x5.556. It would be nice if it told you what was being improved, but it's just the whole of it being upgraded.
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Oct 8, 2021 16:06
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pixaal posted:I do not mean the pickaxe level I mean the one that uses energy, it does not update the harvest count on ore it stays the same when it completes. Dude, the tooltip of the pickaxe literally shows you what the pickaxe is harvesting. You even cut it out of your screenshot.  See that stone icon on the bottom? That's what the pickaxe is harvesting, and will harvest faster with the upgrade. And yes, the number on the stone DOES update when you get a pickaxe upgrade, the x.xxx/s number that shows how many you're getting how quickly. Lord allfucking mighty. Toshimo posted:I haven't found this to be the case at all. 1 Charcoal Miner has been keeping me net positive for quite a while. When you start getting more metalwork factories 1 charcoal miner stops being enough real fast. Safari Disco Lion fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Oct 8, 2021 |
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Oct 8, 2021 16:12
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Safari Disco Lion posted:Also, get 2-3 charcoal miners ASAP. You'll hit a point very easily, without building bricks, where you're using coal faster than you're getting it with a single miner. I haven't found this to be the case at all. 1 Charcoal Miner has been keeping me net positive for quite a while.
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Oct 8, 2021 16:13
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What I want to know is how the gently caress you're supposed to get the 1 in millions drop off shiny stone. Going full send after prestiging once gets me a whole 30 per second and prestiging again isn't going to change that much.
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Oct 8, 2021 16:16
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dis astranagant posted:What I want to know is how the gently caress you're supposed to get the 1 in millions drop off shiny stone. Going full send after prestiging once gets me a whole 30 per second and prestiging again isn't going to change that much. A lot of Gemstone Pickaxes and upgrades to it? It's going to be a lot before you get close to having decent odds on it.
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dis astranagant posted:What I want to know is how the gently caress you're supposed to get the 1 in millions drop off shiny stone. Going full send after prestiging once gets me a whole 30 per second and prestiging again isn't going to change that much. At 1 in 120m and 60 actions per second, you'd be 50/50 after 2 weeks. Idk what your current odds are, so v0v.
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Ghostlight posted:I just got my second seed after building my second city. If you mean the city builder thing that automates the brick -> house/citizen production, you absolutely should pursue the orchard -> trap line, it has a high chance of getting you extra tree seeds Also the pickaxe upgrade does increase the mining speed on stone, not the efficiency multiplier in the top right. You'll see the x/s number go up after upgrading it. Lilli fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Oct 8, 2021 |
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Safari Disco Lion posted:Dude, the tooltip of the pickaxe literally shows you what the pickaxe is harvesting. You even cut it out of your screenshot. I know that it mines stone what I was looking at was the stone where it shows the summary, that is what should be updated. Not even the stone / s was updated. You seem to be missing the point entirely you really don't need to be so rude about a game with no feedback, what are you the dev? I am simply saying the game is really bad at explaining what it does and other people seem to be having similar issues so it isn't just me.
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Lilli posted:Also the pickaxe upgrade does increase the mining speed on stone, not the efficiency multiplier in the top right. You'll see the x/s number go up after upgrading it. Pickaxe upgrades increase pickaxe efficiency, more pickaxes increases stone efficiency. Which is weird because buying more regular axes doesn't increase eff. for logs to get more seeds/apples. pixaal posted:I know that it mines stone what I was looking at was the stone where it shows the summary, that is what should be updated. Not even the stone / s was updated. Yes, the stone/s did in fact update for you when you bought a pickaxe upgrade (unless you have a magically bugged version of the game open that nobody else does), you just didn't see it. I'm literally telling you how these things work and you're arguing with me about them and being completely wrong about it. I misspoke when I said pickaxe upgrade reflect in ore, I meant stone, but it DOES reflect on stone. The game is giving you all of this information, you're just choosing not to see it. eta: 15 pickaxes at level 7.  15 pickaxes at level 8.  16 pickaxes at level 8. 
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Safari Disco Lion posted:Pickaxe upgrades increase pickaxe efficiency, more pickaxes increases stone efficiency. Which is weird because buying more regular axes doesn't increase eff. for logs to get more seeds/apples. I kept looking for places to upgrade the efficiency on the logs too, but the Axe doesn't have an Eff multiplier and that's the only spot that counts. I was even expecting an Axe upgrade too, but nothing there. It managed to cascade high enough and fast enough to not make a difference, but it did take a few hours. I haven't minded the drop rates for most things, and it gives me time to build up other areas which end up being important for those things I was unlocking anyway. I also definitely needed more Charcoal miners to keep even with the rate my Metalwork Factories are going through it. The only resource keeping it slow right now is Iron smelting. Plenty of ore, but no matter how far I'm pushing the factories that's still my limiting factor.
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Oct 8, 2021 17:04
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Seems like iron will always be a huge cockblock, for some reason it's slower (and more expensive) than the other two to make and it's needed for everything.
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Oct 8, 2021 17:11
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Even after you start getting into the 1+/s of iron it can still dip worryingly low. Lava production for gemstone refining is also another big one after iron.
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Oct 8, 2021 17:14
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Divine powder popped up on my resources, I'm guessing that's for prestige? How many should I shoot for? Suppose it's still hours away though Also does replicanti on its own ever do anything or is it just for the powder?
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Oct 8, 2021 17:30
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GrossMurpel posted:Divine powder popped up on my resources, I'm guessing that's for prestige? How many should I shoot for? Suppose it's still hours away though Its the resource used for generator upgrades which is major since each upgrade is a 4x efficiency boost for your generators. Also yeah divine powder is the prestige resource, dont worry about it too much for now.
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Oct 8, 2021 17:33
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NIAutoclicker works extremely well on Resource Grid. I have it doing one click per second on charcoal right now (pre-charcoal miner), seems like it will be good for pushing through manual bottlenecks going forward.
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This game taught me that I can't stop myself from using up all my lava even when I know that increases its costLilli posted:Its the resource used for generator upgrades which is major since each upgrade is a 4x efficiency boost for your generators. Also yeah divine powder is the prestige resource, dont worry about it too much for now. Oh right I saw that and then immediately forgot about it  Thanatosian posted:NIAutoclicker works extremely well on Resource Grid. I have it doing one click per second on charcoal right now (pre-charcoal miner), seems like it will be good for pushing through manual bottlenecks going forward. I haven't run across any "click here 300 times" bottlenecks again so far, just have to automate housing now
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GrossMurpel posted:This game taught me that I can't stop myself from using up all my lava even when I know that increases its cost Manual steam generation is pretty bad for the manual stuff. And for Replicanti you should be smacking its upgrades as often as possible. It scales generators hard when you get new upgrades.
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Thanatosian posted:How did you get the steam for the charcoal miner? I clicked 15 times 
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Toshimo posted:At 1 in 120m and 60 actions per second, you'd be 50/50 after 2 weeks. Idk what your current odds are, so v0v. 1 in 3 million and it hasn't gotten better in several pickaxes/gem boosts. That's with maxed out empower on the stone and 3 on the pickaxe.
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Oct 8, 2021 17:48
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dis astranagant posted:1 in 3 million and it hasn't gotten better in several pickaxes/gem boosts. That's with maxed out empower on the stone and 3 on the pickaxe. 1 in 3m with 30 a/s is ~58% to get it in 1 day.
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Oct 8, 2021 17:50
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Just started Elethor as Trastion if there is room in Goon Guild.
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Toshimo posted:1 in 3m with 30 a/s is ~58% to get it in 1 day. Yeah that's garbage. At this point I'm just letting energy build up so I can grab the a few more divine powders before ending the run.
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Oct 8, 2021 17:59
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GrossMurpel posted:I clicked 15 times You only clicked 5 times it makes 3 steam per. (it uses lava and water if someone needs to know the actual requirements to unlock)
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pixaal posted:You only clicked 5 times it makes 3 steam per. (it uses lava and water if someone needs to know the actual requirements to unlock) But I needed 37 for something
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GrossMurpel posted:I clicked 15 times How did you get the lava for that steam? GrossMurpel posted:But I needed 37 for something City builder, I think.
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Oct 8, 2021 18:10
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Thanatosian posted:How did you get the lava for that steam? Carcoal and stone make lava, like a lot (100 stone 50 charcoal)
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Oct 8, 2021 18:13
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Thanatosian posted:How did you get the lava for that steam? Their point was that they havent yet hit a wall where they have to click 300 times for one specific thing, not that they haven't clicked 300 times for the entire game.
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Also gem creation has a chance of making a free steam. Also lava gets cheaper the more you have of it.
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Lilli posted:Their point was that they havent yet hit a wall where they have to click 300 times for one specific thing, not that they haven't clicked 300 times for the entire game. Have you seen how much charcoal lava takes? Even with the declining costs, it's a lot of charcoal clicking for steam and metal for the charcoal miner.
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Thanatosian posted:How did you get the lava for that steam? Volcano Lilli posted:Their point was that they havent yet hit a wall where they have to click 300 times for one specific thing, not that they haven't clicked 300 times for the entire game. Oh yeah definitely this one. Charcoal is unique (so far) in that it's really quick to produce but also gets used up quick so you have to keep clicking it for a while
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Resource Grid: How long is it supposed to take before your 1st prestige? I started last night and felt like I was making good progress, but everything has slowed way down and I'm still only at 9/50 Powder.
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Klungar posted:What does the Trap do? Trap catches an animal, which is part of a longer horizontal chain.
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Toshimo posted:Resource Grid: How long is it supposed to take before your 1st prestige? I started last night and felt like I was making good progress, but everything has slowed way down and I'm still only at 9/50 Powder. Not sure, but the increasing powder cost goes up faster than I can keep up with it. I’m still just pushing more gem pickaxe stuff to get a high enough sapphire drop rate to maybe speed it up. I’m only at 4 dust and it’s stretching out on time. This stupid simple game really does scratch the itch to see numbers go up in a few good ways though. Really like the balance of it all so far (even if there’s a few balance things that could be done).
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Toshimo posted:Resource Grid: How long is it supposed to take before your 1st prestige? I started last night and felt like I was making good progress, but everything has slowed way down and I'm still only at 9/50 Powder. It took me the better part of a day, though I walked away for extended periods. By the time you get up near 50 powder you start needing low millions of energy per powder.
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