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The Bloop posted:For a certain value of easy, yeah of course Wait which false statement?
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I think he's talking about the overpopulation thing. This is a common litmus test in climate circles for whether you are serious or a blood and soil fascist. The refrigeration systems alone of the rich World produce more effective greenhouse gas than the bottom two billion people in the world. So he's correct in saying overpopulation isn't the problem, although as desertification in the tropics increases I think this common rhetorical position is going to start looking naive. The realistic nightmare scenario this Century as I see it is not that the tropics become depopulated, because even in the worst scenarios before 2100 the tropics only see about 30 days of lethal weather a year. The real nightmare scenario is that the tropics revert to a pre-industrial high mortality population regime. With a high birth rate and high death rate, the population in the tropics wouldn't actually decrease. But it would produce a permanent population of miserable people who are desperate to escape at any cost. In this scenario the rich world would find itself in a never-ending Refugee crisis that could only realistically be solved by evacuating the tropics or with machine guns and barbed wire.
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Oct 10, 2021 21:19
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"Two: Any time Burnham is not on screen, the other characters need to be saying, 'where's Michael?'"
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Oct 10, 2021 21:22
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Oct 10, 2021 21:24
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The_Doctor posted:Trekcore are usually really good at getting the videos. Lol this is going to be like Lower Decks and end up being far better than the prestige Trek show.
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Oct 10, 2021 21:25
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Lord Ludikrous posted:Lol this is going to be like Lower Decks and end up being far better than the prestige Trek show. Well it certainly looks like there's a diverse cast of characters that someone spent more than 60 seconds thinking about so... yeah, they're already ahead just on the trailer.
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Oct 10, 2021 21:32
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Lord Ludikrous posted:Lol this is going to be like Lower Decks and end up being far better than the prestige Trek show. I'm all for that. That clip looked pretty drat good.
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Oct 10, 2021 21:55
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Captain Chakotay? I guess the Federation really did go "Meh, the other Maquis are all dead now and the Cardassian border issue is no longer a problem, all charges dropped." So of the main Voyager cast, we'll have had Janeway, Chakotay, Paris, Seven and the EMH appearing in other Treks. Meanwhile, DS9 has had Bashir, Quark and a statue of O'Brien. Seems a tad uneven... Actually, what have the main character crossovers been? Off the top of my head: TOS Kirk (TNG, DS9, LD cameo)  (TNG, DS9, JJ, DIS, LD cameo, SNW to come)Bones (TNG, DS9) Scotty (DS9, TNG) Uhura (DS9, SNW to come) Sulu (VOY) Chekov (I supposed Generations counts as TNG, DS9) Rand (VOY) TNG Picard (DS9, PIC duh) Riker (DS9 as Tom, VOY, ENT, LD, PIC) Data (PIC) Crusher Troi (VOY, PIC) Worf (DS9) Wesley [Q (DS9, VOY, LD, PIC to come)] DS9 Sisko Kira Odo Dax O'Brien (TNG, LD) Bashir (TNG) Quark (VOY) Jake VOY Janeway (TNG, PRO) Chakotay (PRO) Seven (PIC) The Doctor (TNG) Paris (LD) Torres Kim Neelix Kes ENT Not a single one of 'em.
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Oct 10, 2021 22:41
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The only crossover we got on ENT was Zefram Cochrane in the pilot, which was an interesting choice. I barely count the TOS crew on DS9 since that was just footage from an old episode.
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Oct 10, 2021 23:12
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There was a great cameo by an ENT actor on the most recent What We Do in the Shadows.
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Oct 10, 2021 23:12
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FlamingLiberal posted:The only crossover we got on ENT was Zefram Cochrane in the pilot, which was an interesting choice. James Cromwell played characters on TNG and DS9 before that, so it’s not THAT out there that he showed up as Zef for a few seconds on ENT.
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Oct 10, 2021 23:25
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Payndz posted:Captain Chakotay? I guess the Federation really did go "Meh, the other Maquis are all dead now and the Cardassian border issue is no longer a problem, all charges dropped." Quark's franchise gets a showing in Lower Decks.
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Oct 10, 2021 23:30
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A.o.D. posted:Quark's franchise gets a showing in Lower Decks. At like, literally every location they end up at. Quark's a drat effective franchiser
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A.o.D. posted:Quark's franchise gets a showing in Lower Decks. It showed up in Picard as well.
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Oct 10, 2021 23:37
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Brawnfire posted:At like, literally every location they end up at. Quark's a drat effective franchiser From what we've seen, being the brother of the Grand Nagus means an endless stream of people trying to suck up to you
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Oct 10, 2021 23:42
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The_Doctor posted:Trekcore are usually really good at getting the videos. That dude's name is Jankom Pog. But it sounds like Jenkem Pog. And he talks in the third person. So every time he talks about himself he says <fermented feces hallucinogenic> <surprised face meme>. There has to be a troll on that writing team.
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Oct 10, 2021 23:45
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The Bloop posted:From what we've seen, being the brother of the Grand Nagus means an endless stream of people trying to suck up to you
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Oct 11, 2021 00:40
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The_Doctor posted:Trekcore are usually really good at getting the videos. This unironically looks much better than Discovery.
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Oct 11, 2021 00:44
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I really want to know what goes on in the Disco and Picard writing rooms. Its clear people there have watched Star Trek, but I don't think they really understand why people like Star Trek. Trek works best when its an ensemble show, when its a bit goofy and not all serious all the time. This one of the reasons Stamets/Tilly stuff has been my favorite scenes in the last season because it feels a lot more like Star Trek then just Burnham crying.
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Oct 11, 2021 00:52
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Payndz posted:Captain Chakotay? I guess the Federation really did go "Meh, the other Maquis are all dead now and the Cardassian border issue is no longer a problem, all charges dropped." Data had a voiceover cameo in the ENT finale. Troi showed up in the LD season 1 finale. The EMH showed up in DS9.
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Oct 11, 2021 01:02
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Data had a voiceover cameo in the ENT finale. Riker in the ENT Finale
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Oct 11, 2021 01:07
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The_Doctor posted:Trekcore are usually really good at getting the videos. An entire minute of Janeway and she didn't genocide any alien species or drink a single sip of coffee. What did they do to poor Janeways character  But yeah, tone and Dialogue is all a bit kiddish for my taste, but as it's like literally a cartoon aimed at children, that's all completely fine and good. Looks like they at least put effort into it, so good for them. Hope it does well. Most children sci-fi is complete garbage, so be good if they can make something quality.
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Oct 11, 2021 01:11
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dr_rat posted:An entire minute of Janeway and she didn't genocide any alien species or drink a single sip of coffee. What did they do to poor Janeways character She's merely a holographic simulacrum. Give her a break.
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Oct 11, 2021 01:15
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holo janeway has to work a whole lot harder than flesh janeway to do a genocide, give her time
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Oct 11, 2021 01:15
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Probably has holo-janeway safeties put in place There would have to be able least one episode where she malfunctions and endangers everyone's lives, it's like, in the rules.
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Oct 11, 2021 01:27
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Did O’Brien actually have a cameo on LD or was he just mentioned as the most important person ever? Because by that token Data and Picard also had LD crossovers, just not in any meaningful ways.
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Oct 11, 2021 01:39
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Martytoof posted:Did O’Brien actually have a cameo on LD or was he just mentioned as the most important person ever? Because by that token Data and Picard also had LD crossovers, just not in any meaningful ways. 
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Oct 11, 2021 01:42
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Guys. Detached. Nacelles.
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Oct 11, 2021 02:23
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Hell she went back in time to cause the current timeline because she felt bad tuvok got space alzheimer's. So everything in picard is directly her fault, and I hope dying twice made it hurt twice as hard.
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Oct 11, 2021 02:29
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twistedmentat posted:I really want to know what goes on in the Disco and Picard writing rooms. Its clear people there have watched Star Trek, but I don't think they really understand why people like Star Trek. Trek works best when its an ensemble show, when its a bit goofy and not all serious all the time. This one of the reasons Stamets/Tilly stuff has been my favorite scenes in the last season because it feels a lot more like Star Trek then just Burnham crying. They aren’t interested in trek, they want prestige television. Which it also isn’t very good at but still
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Sure yeah, but he wasn’t actually cameo’d — I was really hoping somehow I’d missed an awesome scene
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CharlestheHammer posted:They aren’t interested in trek, they want prestige television. Eh, I think it's more that they're positioning Disco as the "The Universe is being threatened and we're sending our best special effects at it" show. It's more of a show tuned towards the movie side of Star Trek rather than the TV side of Star Trek. Lower Decks is clearly the grungier, DS9-like, TNG-continuity show and the comedy show. If done correctly SNW could be the more episodic style, TOS like show. I guess prodigy is the all-adventure kids show. I don't know what Picard is, really. But I think the idea that Kurtzman/CBS have in mind is that there's at least one or maybe one and a half Star Trek shows among the many that can be entertaining and enjoyed by everyone. We'll see if that works in practice, but Kurtzman et. al. got enough audience out of what they're already produced that they got a five-year contract extension, so there's one thing that's pretty clear - it's making good money for someone.
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:Guys.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I just hate this concept so much Disco ship design in general is pretty dire. Almost nothing I like aside from the Walker class. Ship porn is part of Trek, and frankly Lower Decks is creaming Disco in that regard.
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Oct 11, 2021 03:12
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Eimi posted:Disco ship design in general is pretty dire. Almost nothing I like aside from the Walker class. Ship porn is part of Trek, and frankly Lower Decks is creaming Disco in that regard. And Disco still kicks Picard's rear end, which doesn't even goddamn bother
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Oct 11, 2021 03:17
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Nitrousoxide posted:Riker in the ENT Finale Oh I love these "Shaka, when the walls fell"
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Oct 11, 2021 05:30
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The writers, when the Fourth Wall fell
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Oct 11, 2021 05:38
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Kesper North posted:The writers, when the Fourth Wall fell Instead of Riker and Troi, have it be Berman and Braga inexplicably on the NX-01, and it turns into a psychological horror where neither of them can distinguish a fantasy Enterprise from a set on the Paramount lot. It of course ends with a 1993 shattering effect and Jonathan Frakes screaming at the camera.
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Oct 11, 2021 05:48
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Do you think Riker was watching the episode where Tucker got pregnant too or was it just the last episode?
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ashpanash posted:Eh, I think it's more that they're positioning Disco as the "The Universe is being threatened and we're sending our best special effects at it" show. It's more of a show tuned towards the movie side of Star Trek rather than the TV side of Star Trek. Yeah Picard and Disco seem to be the most similar, and I see a reason for one, but not both. With Lower Decks, SNW, Prodigy, and Disco, you have quite a bit of Star Treck but aiming for very different tones, which is smart if you want to avoid fan burn out. I think there trying to make Picard the more thoughtful prime time continuity Star Trek and Disco the more action Hollywood prime time continuity Star Trek but, yeah that didn't really work out that way. Does makes sense though. Picard just, you know needed to actually be written like that. All the pre-press made it seem like that was there aim though.
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