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comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

me marveling at joe rogan's strength like joe rogan marveling at a chimp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp6ZrvYPtMc

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indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

just a masterful troll

Terminal autist
May 17, 2018

by vyelkin

indigi posted:

just a masterful troll

Just wait till Rogan pulls up and starts beating his rear end

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

nothing would be more vicious than rogan practically ignoring cenk's attempt at relevancy

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

How is it that Cenk has such a fat head and yet his nephew ended up with such a tiny one.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Terminal autist posted:

Just wait till Rogan pulls up and starts beating his rear end

Rogan has too much to lose to travel interstate to commit a crime

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
More of a public service than a crime at this point, tbqh.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
Did Cenk just drop that apropos of nothing?
Also has anyone said Cenkum?

indigi posted:

in what way? they’re using collectivist policies to reduce or eliminate the spread of covid from communities. just cause they’re liberal democracies doesn’t mean they’re incapable of suppressing individualism in emergency situations

I guess it's this bit I disagree with.

"i mean to me this crisis shows the total failure of individualism over collectivism, which is the main difference between libertarian socialism and communism. "

Which you seem to as well.

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth
Bens right

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1444770698925326336?s=20
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1444752324853968909?s=20

So is max

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1445979415570178059

https://twitter.com/MintPressNews/status/1445864982172815362

https://twitter.com/MintPressNews/status/1445864995997241345

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
so she’s a liberal

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

comedyblissoption posted:

joe rogan would effortlessly canoe cenk's fat head with a spinning kick but no one wants to see such barbarity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAxz0gLMx6Q

I do.

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth
https://twitter.com/TheGrayzoneNews/status/1447008370708385794?s=20

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley/status/1446758508146405376
https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley/status/1447184797454028800
https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley/status/1447211160705638403
https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley/status/1447231057393340420

I don't know anything about Muratov but I do know that Maria Ressa's Rappler is just Philippine The Intercept and all the liberalism and Western cheerleading that that implies so while I first thought this was a weird bone to pick with Aaron Mate I'm now left wondering if there's anything more to this

and especially when you have someone like the Dalai Lama making a public statement praising these two for winning the prize

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

quote:

Commentary: Muratov, Navalny and the drama around the Nobel Peace Prize
Alexei Navalny did not have a chance to receive the Nobel Peace Prize this year. But for Russia, the news from Oslo is still good, says Konstantin Eggert.

For the fact that Alexei Navalny had practically no chance of receiving the Nobel Peace Prize this year, two people are most likely responsible - American journalist Aaron Mate, editor of the left-wing portal Greyzone, and left-wing activist from New York Ekaterina Dubovitskaya, known on Twitter under the nickname "Katya Kazbek".

It was they who, at the beginning of the year, unleashed on social networks the story of the decision of the international human rights organization Amnesty International to deprive Navalny of the status of a "prisoner of conscience" for xenophobic statements made many years ago. Amnesty International reconsidered its decision a few weeks later . However, you need to understand how the Nobel Committee in Oslo makes a decision. The author of these lines understands a little.
https://www.dw.com/ru/kommentarij-muratov-navalnyj-i-drama-vokrug-nobelevskoj-premii-mira/a-59454484

Google translated from Russian

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
lol jesus it's sour grapes over Mate uncovering Navalny's Muslim-exterminationist past?

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Stephen Cohen was an establishment liberal until he was pretty much exiled from US mainstream media when he went against the consensus on the Ukraine coup. He was married to the hieress that bankrolled The Nation and supported perestroika. It's not really surprising that he hung out with liberals in Russia. Mark Ames and John Dolan have referenced Novaya Gazeta somewhat approvingly a few times. From what I remember, Ames has described Novaya Gazeta as western-oriented liberals, but they do care about independent journalism put out some well researched pieces.

I think Beeley specifically has beef with the Grayzone crew because they had a bad analysis of Syria for the first few years of the war. So she snipes at them when she can.
https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley/status/1222374353309962240?s=20
https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley/status/1172850642437726208?s=20

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

A terrifying amount of "left-wing" discourse on twitter is people dressing up arguments over who deserves more followers as ideological disputes

Goast
Jul 23, 2011

by VideoGames

Atrocious Joe posted:


I think Beeley specifically has beef with the Grayzone crew because they had a bad analysis of Syria for the first few years of the war. So she snipes at them when she can.

https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley/status/1172850642437726208?s=20

why doesn't she just post what she claims was plagiarized

just show us the work that was stolen and compare it to what blumenthal wrote

how loving hard is this

why is she still holding this grudge

Goast has issued a correction as of 01:49 on Oct 11, 2021

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Atrocious Joe posted:

A terrifying amount of "left-wing" discourse on twitter is people dressing up arguments over who deserves more followers as ideological disputes

if u are into this have i got the thread for u https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3912001

Muscle Wizard
Jul 28, 2011

by sebmojo

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

Atrocious Joe posted:

Stephen Cohen was an establishment liberal until he was pretty much exiled from US mainstream media when he went against the consensus on the Ukraine coup. He was married to the hieress that bankrolled The Nation and supported perestroika. It's not really surprising that he hung out with liberals in Russia. Mark Ames and John Dolan have referenced Novaya Gazeta somewhat approvingly a few times. From what I remember, Ames has described Novaya Gazeta as western-oriented liberals, but they do care about independent journalism put out some well researched pieces.

I think Beeley specifically has beef with the Grayzone crew because they had a bad analysis of Syria for the first few years of the war. So she snipes at them when she can.
https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley/status/1222374353309962240?s=20
https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley/status/1172850642437726208?s=20

"Bad analysis"? Blumenthal quit a job with a long public twitter screenshot because some of the reporters there were "Assadists", include Sharmine Narwani. Then him and Ben Norton deleted a bunch of their old tweets when the Grayzone decided to pivot into the correct position on Syria a few years later.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:

"Bad analysis"? Blumenthal quit a job with a long public twitter screenshot because some of the reporters there were "Assadists", include Sharmine Narwani. Then him and Ben Norton deleted a bunch of their old tweets when the Grayzone decided to pivot into the correct position on Syria a few years later.

lol I didn’t know this. explains a lot about him though tbh

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

True posters never delete old posts, so the Grayzone guys aren't true posters.

They did do podcasts explaining how they stopped being bad with regards to Syria. They don't advertise how they were wrong, but it's not really a coverup either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE-jNckM-zw

Max is wrong about COVID right now, so it's not a super shocking thing to happen.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 10 hours!

PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:

"Bad analysis"? Blumenthal quit a job with a long public twitter screenshot because some of the reporters there were "Assadists", include Sharmine Narwani. Then him and Ben Norton deleted a bunch of their old tweets when the Grayzone decided to pivot into the correct position on Syria a few years later.

Aren't there a lot of people like this? It's okay for people's positions to change over time. I don't know about the post deletions but you can still find Max being angry at people for being assadists online.

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Atrocious Joe posted:

True posters never delete old posts, so the Grayzone guys aren't true posters.

They did do podcasts explaining how they stopped being bad with regards to Syria. They don't advertise how they were wrong, but it's not really a coverup either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE-jNckM-zw

Max is wrong about COVID right now, so it's not a super shocking thing to happen.

This is interesting to me. I guess I'm relatively new to the greyzone because for as long as I've been reading them they have had their current position on Syria. I guess it isn't a coverup but deleting tweets doesn't sit well with me. It's probably not a big deal though.

I agree with you that Blumenthal's stance on covid is a bit off right now. I might be biased since I read the covid thread regularly and my job has me pretty exposed to covid.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 10 hours!
They covered a bit of Pierre Omidyar funding in the last episode of moderate rebels, and it's wild what all he's funding.

https://twitter.com/RealAlexRubi/status/1097517416773574657

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth
normal country
https://twitter.com/TheGrayzoneNews/status/1446883334701916167?s=20

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 18 days!)

The Infowar is real. Welcome to Prison Planet.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

So, plain ol' racism?

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

surely this proves cancel culture has gone too far

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Aren't there a lot of people like this? It's okay for people's positions to change over time. I don't know about the post deletions but you can still find Max being angry at people for being assadists online.
you know who was right about syria?

that's right!

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Greg Legg posted:

I agree with you that Blumenthal's stance on covid is a bit off right now. I might be biased since I read the covid thread regularly and my job has me pretty exposed to covid.

it’s a weird strain of contrarianism that’s running amok throughout (at least nominally) anti imperialist Online Bros lately. idk what’s causing it but it’s very weird

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


indigi posted:

it’s a weird strain of contrarianism that’s running amok throughout (at least nominally) anti imperialist Online Bros lately. idk what’s causing it but it’s very weird

I think the issue is that a lot of anti-imperialism is rooted in libertarianism, which is justifiable when you're opposing the union of State and Capital that is the USA, but less so when it comes to China or Vietnam.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

indigi posted:

it’s a weird strain of contrarianism that’s running amok throughout (at least nominally) anti imperialist Online Bros lately. idk what’s causing it but it’s very weird

My read of it is that it stems from how badly some government handled lockdowns during the initial stages of the pandemic. Government like that of the US have demonstrated time and again that they're incapable of (or unwilling to) responsibly lock down by providing at least a temporary basic income for everyone, and then some sort of federal hazard pay for doctors, nurses, grocers, emts, whathaveyou that a modern society cannot function without.

Instead we got "work from home if you can, sucks if you gotta show up to the factory to pull the lever that makes the widget but :capitalism: so you might get laid off and evicted if you don't, and you're not getting any help but your neighbor got $600 because he had a kid a few years ago"

like, when max and jimmy and such say stuff like the american people can't take another lockdown...they're right. we can't take another lockdown that's just a repeat of the last lockdown that just hosed a lot of working class people over.

definition of insanity, you know the trope.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
Jimmy was also pushing ivermectin and saying mRNA vaccines don’t work

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

indigi posted:

Jimmy was also pushing ivermectin and saying mRNA vaccines don’t work

jimmy is prescribed a human-compatible dose of ivermectin, an fda-approved drug that's used to treat everything from chihuahas to horses, in an attempt to throw anything at his post-vaccine symptoms that might work.

would you like to try again?

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Lib and let die posted:

jimmy is prescribed a human-compatible dose of ivermectin, an fda-approved drug that's used to treat everything from chihuahas to horses, in an attempt to throw anything at his post-vaccine symptoms that might work.

would you like to try again?

lol

Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

Lib and let die posted:

My read of it is that it stems from how badly some government handled lockdowns during the initial stages of the pandemic. Government like that of the US have demonstrated time and again that they're incapable of (or unwilling to) responsibly lock down by providing at least a temporary basic income for everyone, and then some sort of federal hazard pay for doctors, nurses, grocers, emts, whathaveyou that a modern society cannot function without.

Instead we got "work from home if you can, sucks if you gotta show up to the factory to pull the lever that makes the widget but :capitalism: so you might get laid off and evicted if you don't, and you're not getting any help but your neighbor got $600 because he had a kid a few years ago"

like, when max and jimmy and such say stuff like the american people can't take another lockdown...they're right. we can't take another lockdown that's just a repeat of the last lockdown that just hosed a lot of working class people over.

definition of insanity, you know the trope.

I think the fact that this has become something of a culture war issue is what makes it hard for me to understand. I can accept Blumenthal's anti-lockdown stance because he correctly understands that any lockdown the government would impose would probably not provide people with the necessary resources to lock down, like just paying people money to stay home for a few months. Everyone posting here in this thread knows that there's almost no chance of that happening right now.

It's frustrating to me because I don't know what his alternative is, especially when he's critical of things like masks in school because in my experience the students don't really seem to care. If he has pushed an alternative and I missed it then my bad.

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Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004

indigi posted:

Jimmy was also pushing ivermectin and saying mRNA vaccines don’t work

It might not be a popular stance but my understanding is that ivermectin can help with covid symptoms when prescribed. I wouldn't rely on it because you still have to get covid which seems less than ideal to me because it's so new.

edit: I want to be clear that I am 100% posting in good faith here. This covid poo poo is really important and also really complicated and it's important to me that I get this right so if I'm wrong I need to know.

Greg Legg has issued a correction as of 15:08 on Oct 12, 2021

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