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There's been a real lack of Australia wide policy, mostly I assume because the feds are useless, but with vaccine passports and those carrying exemptions the feds should mandate it for 12 months, Australia wide. Not only to cover NSW and Vic where the cases may spike again but also to allow other states who are behind in vaccination rates to catch up. I say 12 months because we'll most likely be talking about a booster program early next year.
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MysticalMachineGun posted:There's been a real lack of Australia wide policy, mostly I assume because the feds are useless, but with vaccine passports and those carrying exemptions the feds should mandate it for 12 months, Australia wide. Not only to cover NSW and Vic where the cases may spike again but also to allow other states who are behind in vaccination rates to catch up. I don't think the federal government has the authority to mandate it. The most they'd be able to do is give money to the states and territories who follow the preferred course (or withdraw funds from those who don't, which is their current flex).
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Lolie posted:I don't think the federal government has the authority to mandate it. The most they'd be able to do is give money to the states and territories who follow the preferred course (or withdraw funds from those who don't, which is their current flex). Fair enough then. They could at least make strong recommendations at national cabinet instead of just going "do what NSW do" all the time
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Oct 15, 2021 00:24
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On 1 November, NSW will open up to the world. Regional NSW will not open up to Greater Sydney until the same date. There will be no quarantine requirement for fully vaccinated people entering Australia.
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Oct 15, 2021 00:40
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Lolie posted:On 1 November, NSW will open up to the world. Regional NSW will not open up to Greater Sydney until the same date. Okay wait no quarantine?!?! Uhhhhh okay well thats what a lot of the rest of the world is doing as well but thats still a surprise
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Oct 15, 2021 01:10
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Yeah seems a bit hosed, even with testing...
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Oct 15, 2021 01:14
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Okay wait no quarantine?!?! Unvaccinated people will have to quarantine but there will only be a couple of hundred hotel quarantine spots available per week. Why we're letting unvaccinated people in has not been addressed. I doubt this strategy is going to encourage the other states to open their borders to NSW. People arriving from overseas and getting stuck in NSW is going to stress the housing market even further if they have no option but to settle here.
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Oct 15, 2021 01:19
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Lolie posted:Unvaccinated people will have to quarantine but there will only be a couple of hundred hotel quarantine spots available per week. Why we're letting unvaccinated people in has not been addressed. International carriers probably wont let unvacced on anyway so I dont think that's a huge issue. Having a look at the questioning and this looks liek a full blown let 'er rip genuine open border to NSW from Nov 1 for *everyone* and not just Australians. Tourists, business, everything. Again yes this is what highly vaccinated countries are doing already but wow really didnt expect a full blown restart like this for double vacced travellers
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Oct 15, 2021 01:23
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It's a good idea and Victoria will probably follow it shortly. If COVID is circulating in the community and you have no intention or ability to ever get back to elimination, hotel quarantine serves no purpose and we can start getting stranded people home. Imagine flying into Melbourne right now and getting escorted straight off the plane into a hotel by people in full PPE and turning your TV on to see the Premier announce another 2,000 cases picked up on the streets outside. It's absurd.
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Oct 15, 2021 01:25
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freebooter posted:It's a good idea and Victoria will probably follow it shortly. Sure and while I'm leery somewhat it's fine. I'm just more surprised as this seems to be out of nowhere, I fully expected spme sort of quarantine to be here until the rest of the states caught up with NSW / ACT Edit : Also NSW/ VIC border is back open without quarantine for full vacced people Oct 19. CAT INTERCEPTOR fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Oct 15, 2021 |
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Oct 15, 2021 01:30
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Yeah, I don't see any sense in prolonged quarantine. We've been talking about trialing home quarantine for international arrivals here in SA, but once the border to NSW and VIC is open cases are far more likely to come across from there and spread through the community so what's the point.
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They were trialing 7 day home quarantine but I guess they'll wrap that up as they aren't intending to do even that now
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Oct 15, 2021 01:33
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Sure and while I'm leery somewhat it's fine. I'm just more surprised as this seems to be out of nowhere, I fully expected spme sort of quarantine to be here until the rest of the states caught up with NSW / ACT Yeah some people on Twitter are having a meltdown about how this will affect the other states but... those states already have their borders closed to NSW/Vic so I don't see how it affects them at all.
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freebooter posted:Yeah some people on Twitter are having a meltdown about how this will affect the other states but... those states already have their borders closed to NSW/Vic so I don't see how it affects them at all. Sounds like a bunch of other non NSW state politicians got caught off guard by this too. This all seems like let 'er rip but in a 85% vaccinated place like NSW will be in a few weeks, for fully vaccinated travelers its... kinda hard to argue against it? Anyway awesome I get to see a relative much earlier than I had hoped for.
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Oct 15, 2021 02:06
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https://twitter.com/2GB873/status/1448809142861189125 Ummm.....that's kinda a bit WTF too. Tho I'm sure ScoMo is frantically getting on board with NSW anyway
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Oct 15, 2021 02:21
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Doesn't that mean Scomo loses his only reason for not attending COP26 as well? As he didn't want to have to go through quarantine again.
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Trying to think of a point during the pandemic where cutting Scomo out of the loop was a bad thing and coming up blank
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:https://twitter.com/2GB873/status/1448809142861189125 That's pretty hosed from a national perspective, but at the same time Morrison has spent the past 18 months shunning any responsibility for quarantine and putting it on the states so it's just keeping in line with that.
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Its a non issue. He's just appealing to a certain conservative demographic while allowing Morrison to hold onto the regulars Same way Hanson, an extension of the Liberal Party, appeals to certain conservative ideas the general Lib may take issue with.
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MysticalMachineGun posted:I say 12 months because we'll most likely be talking about a booster program early next year. Booster shots have just been authorized for people who are immunocompromised here in WA, I just got an email from my hospital yesterday telling me to book it in and get a 3rd shot when I can.
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Interesting first experience with Vaccination check in. I had to go to Big W yesterday to pick-up a set of Lego I'd ordered for my daughter's birthday. I got to the entrance and they had a kid (and I mean kid, he looked about 16) checking people's vaccination record at an improvised check-in line/area. Thankfully there weren't many people there at the time because there was a lot of confusion. It wasn't too hard for me to quickly link up my medicare vaccination record with the mygov app I already had on my phone, but there were a number of people who definitely were struggling to get things sorted (especially the older customers). For the most part, nobody was rude to the employee, but there was definitely some frustration from some of the people who just wanted to go in to pick up that one thing they ordered/were there for.
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Oct 15, 2021 03:18
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Hashy posted:Whatever you guys do don't google "mu variant" "Why COVID Variant Mu Raised Fears, Then Fizzled Out" ???
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If we lazily let in an even worse variant than Delta I will lose my loving mind.
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Worrying about hypothetical variants that don't exist yet is a waste of time. Most days have 0 overseas cases, 99% of arrivals for the rest of the year will probably just be fully vaxxed Australian citizens or their relatives/partners, better to just let them in rather than dicking around. If a variant gets detected elsewhere then they can immediately ban flights from there or require quarantine for arrivals from there.
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Outbreak at Carlton and United Brewery. Summer is cancelled.
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Centusin posted:Worrying about hypothetical variants that don't exist yet is a waste of time. Most days have 0 overseas cases, 99% of arrivals for the rest of the year will probably just be fully vaxxed Australian citizens or their relatives/partners, better to just let them in rather than dicking around. If a variant gets detected elsewhere then they can immediately ban flights from there or require quarantine for arrivals from there. Sure, they can.
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Phigs posted:If we lazily let in an even worse variant than Delta I will lose my loving mind. It's more likely a worse variant will come about locally and given that no variant has shown any real resistance to vaccinations over Delta now does I wouldnt give it much thought.
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All the Super Covid variants are clearly just waiting for us the most special country to open up rather than appearing in the countless countries that have been open for months
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Let's hope we actually have another century before the next "once in a century" pandemic. If we lose out on the dice roll and something else comes up in the next decade or two I really don't think the world will deal well with it at all.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:It's more likely a worse variant will come about locally and given that no variant has shown any real resistance to vaccinations over Delta now does I wouldnt give it much thought. Nah, it's far more likely for a worse variant to come from a place that still has crazy high infection rates. Which as well as, you know it being the right thing to loving do, is why there should be a far greater effort to get vaccines to developing countries, some of which have had basically no access so far. The fact that our government is going to fund more AZ production is a god drat travesty.
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Senor Tron posted:Let's hope we actually have another century before the next "once in a century" pandemic. If we lose out on the dice roll and something else comes up in the next decade or two I really don't think the world will deal well with it at all. On an episode of a podcast I listen to, Eat the Rich, one of the hosts was ranting on about how crazy his life in the US has been saying "what other generation had to live through two massive recessions and a global pandemic?" And one of the co-hosts just deadpanned, "the one that elected the nazis."
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Animal Friend posted:On an episode of a podcast I listen to, Eat the Rich, one of the hosts was ranting on about how crazy his life in the US has been saying "what other generation had to live through two massive recessions and a global pandemic?" This is truly pathetic.
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So COP26 is running 31/Oct to 12/Nov We have to have an election by 21 May 2022, unless we go the full insanity of 2 elections, Senate on 21-May-2022, and house on 03-Sep-2022 We had elections in December in 13-Dec-1919 16-Dec-1922 19-Dec-1931 10-Dec-1949 10-Dec-1955 9-Dec-1961 2-Dec-1972 13-Dec-1975 1-Dec-1984 Since then it's been July, March, March, October, November, October, November, August, September, July, May We have never had an election in January or February. So if Scotty thinks he can win : March 2022 If he can't, it's 21/May/2022 and him saying " I don't want to have an election in the middle of this emergency but my hands are tied" [Edit] : I guess this means Clive Palmer wasted a lot of money trying to go early.
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The problem with relying on overseas surveillance to keep new problem variants out of the country is how fast they travel. Delta was first identified in October 2020, but it wasn't clear that it was going to be a significant problem until April 2021 when the Indian surge kicked off. It got upgraded to a Variant of Concern in May. Delta was first detected in Australian quarantine in mid March and the first local quarantine escape was in May. If there is a new super variant it is probably going to be seeded throughout NSW before we could even possibly know that it is worse than Delta.
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Hashy posted:Whatever you guys do don't google "mu variant" Are you telling me that Covid 19 came from the lost continent of Mu?
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Senor Tron posted:Let's hope we actually have another century before the next "once in a century" pandemic. If we lose out on the dice roll and something else comes up in the next decade or two I really don't think the world will deal well with it at all. Probably not, we've had a fair few zoonotic disease outbreaks in the past couple decades. sars-1, swine flu, bird flu. This one just happens to be pretty grim. And also caused by those last two because because no one wants to buy pigs or chickens in china anymore so people have to hunt game meat to sell Zika virus too, remember that poo poo? The Peccadillo fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Oct 15, 2021 |
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