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There are certainly very good cordless electric leaf blowers on the commercial market. The backpack models have multi-hour runtimes and can easily push leafs, sticks, and even sand or gravel. If you need more power than that, buy a rake. https://youtu.be/oftRmjzX5Lk
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leaf blowers are much like lifted trucks and the entire purpose of them is to be loud and annoying to everyone to demonstrate that yes, I can afford to care about leaves. i don't actually know what people use them for besides giving the maintenance guy something to do at strip malls. it seems like you either have a lawn small enough that it would be easier to just rake or a property huge enough that you need something more than a leaf blower anyway. anyway i was mostly thinking of weed whackers and chainsaws which get a ton of use so i don't know how you could ever replace them with electrics, at least right now. imagine how many batteries it would take to get through an oak tree lmfao. Larry Parrish fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Oct 17, 2021 |
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Electric leaf blowers and chainsaws and hedge trimmers are great and work great, banning gasoline operated ones would be great. We could even still have gasoline lawnmowers because the electric ones aren't as good, yet. They're different pieces of machinery guys.
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Larry Parrish posted:leaf blowers are much like lifted trucks and the entire purpose of them is to be loud and annoying to everyone to demonstrate that yes, I can afford to care about leaves. i don't actually know what people use them for besides giving the maintenance guy something to do at strip malls. it seems like you either have a lawn small enough that it would be easier to just rake or a property huge enough that you need something more than a leaf blower anyway. it's one of those Things That Gardeners Do even though I'm sure if you asked most homeowners "do you need leaves blown around for 10 minutes by a guy with an engine on his back?' they'd probably say no. My guess is most people who hire gardeners don't really care one way or the other and therefore the status quo remains.
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fond memories of opening the dominos at 9 am on Sunday. I'd get to work early and smoke a few cigarettes and without fail every day the maintenance guy/gardener would water the three lovely ornamental pear trees and then proceed to blow a massive cloud of grit and gravel bits across the strip mall parking lot, to the point that some of the windows were visibly sandblasted.
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Oh yeah, most leaf blowing appears to be total make-work activity. I would assume that landscaping companies are terrified that people will forget that they're around if they can't hear them. Also electric chainsaws, weed-wackers, lawnmowers, snowblowers, etc. definitely seem up to the task for most jobs. https://youtu.be/ABTPoByMDgY https://youtu.be/WRwdppBdWJQ https://youtu.be/I6i-oFSk3fc https://youtu.be/3UA3l2rIY7M Kaal fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Oct 17, 2021 |
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Oct 17, 2021 22:20
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The California thread unable to figure out the use of leafblowers because there are no deciduous trees near them is pretty funny.
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Bunch of people who never did any real yard work posting up in here. Raking and sweeping poo poo up takes way longer. And if you're a gardener who needs to do x number of houses each day you don't have time for that. Definitely ban the things, they're loud as poo poo and emit ridiculous levels of pollutants for their size, but I assure you there are plenty of use cases for a blower. Hopefully the cleaner tech continues to advance.
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Y'all know the guv signed the bill, right?https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article254416318.html posted:
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Apparently if you're a driver in Contra Costa county you can hit and kill cyclists in the bike lane and face 0 charges: https://www.bicycling.com/news/a37081489/jets-assistant-coach-gregg-knapp-hit-by-a-driver/ quote:Knapp, 58, who lived in Danville, was riding in a bike lane near the intersection of Dougherty Road and Bollinger Canyon Road when the driver hit him from behind around 2:50 p.m. The driver did stop to help. Knapp was sent to the John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek, where he was hospitalized in critical condition. Cars continue to be the apex predator in America E: dude literally swerved into the bike lane and struck him America Inc. fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Oct 17, 2021 |
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Bunch of people who never did any real yard work posting up in here. Raking and sweeping poo poo up takes way longer. And if you're a gardener who needs to do x number of houses each day you don't have time for that. I don't think anyone is suggesting that leaf blowers have literally zero use. It's just that it's completely unnecessary to run them every single week when the vast majority of yards don't have any significant debris accumulation. Most yards only need leaf blowing every couple of months max. Most of the time they're literally just blowing dust around the yard. I've seen gardeners use leaf blowers on a xeriscaped lawn for gently caress's sake.
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Skinnymansbeerbelly posted:Y'all know the guv signed the bill, right? I'll believe it when it happens. DC enacted a ban on gas leaf-blowers in 2018 slated to begin in 2022, but the ubiquitous landscaping companies certainly haven't made any equipment changes yet. They're absolutely everywhere pushing a handful of leafs from one lawn to the next. I'd guess that the service comes through our apartment complex three times a week at least. I'm assuming that they'll wait until the day before the deadline and then complain that they don't have time to deal with this "useless job-killing legislation". Kaal fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Oct 17, 2021 |
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Oct 17, 2021 22:42
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Seph posted:I don't think anyone is suggesting that leaf blowers have literally zero use. It's just that it's completely unnecessary to run them every single week when the vast majority of yards don't have any significant debris accumulation. Most yards only need leaf blowing every couple of months max. Most of the time they're literally just blowing dust around the yard. I've seen gardeners use leaf blowers on a xeriscaped lawn for gently caress's sake. My "yard" in LA (I use this term loosely, more like concrete patio with a ceremonial patch of grass) would need leaf blowing like, every other week due to the amount of palm seeds and leaves from the eucalyptus next door. I got a small 18V leaf blower, it worked great for this.
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Seph posted:I don't think anyone is suggesting that leaf blowers have literally zero use. It's just that it's completely unnecessary to run them every single week when the vast majority of yards don't have any significant debris accumulation. Most yards only need leaf blowing every couple of months max. Most of the time they're literally just blowing dust around the yard. I've seen gardeners use leaf blowers on a xeriscaped lawn for gently caress's sake. Yeah, I can believe they get used a lot more than necessary. People are dumb. Kaal posted:I'll believe it when it happens. DC enacted a ban on gas leaf-blowers in 2018 slated to begin in 2022, but the ubiquitous landscaping companies certainly haven't made any equipment changes yet. They're absolutely everywhere pushing a handful of leafs from one lawn to the next. I'd guess that the service comes through our apartment complex three times a week at least. I'm assuming that they'll wait until the day before the deadline and then complain that they don't have time to deal with this "useless job-killing legislation". And this language is in the bill quote:Those regulations shall apply to engines produced on or after January 1, 2024, or as soon as the state board determines is feasible, whichever is later. So if the board determines that they can't feasibly apply the regulations prior to 2035 then the law permits them to set that as the target date. Guess we'll see how effective the industry lobbyists are.
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no hay camino posted:Apparently if you're a driver in Contra Costa county you can hit and kill cyclists in the bike lane and face 0 charges: This is true everywhere in the US. If you want to murder someone, use a car and put them on a bike. You'll get away with it.
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Kaal posted:I'll believe it when it happens. DC enacted a ban on gas leaf-blowers in 2018 slated to begin in 2022, but the ubiquitous landscaping companies certainly haven't made any equipment changes yet. They're absolutely everywhere pushing a handful of leafs from one lawn to the next. I'd guess that the service comes through our apartment complex three times a week at least. I'm assuming that they'll wait until the day before the deadline and then complain that they don't have time to deal with this "useless job-killing legislation". Sort of like how California mandated more humane conditions for livestock in 2018 to begin in 2022 and the pork industry didn't believe it would actually happen then said "oh gently caress" about mid-August this year realizing that like 2/3rds of pork won't be able to be sold in California and it takes a year for a pig to be ready for slaughter.
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Jaxyon posted:This is true everywhere in the US.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:And this language is in the bill Yeah, I was going to point that out, since most people aren't reading AB-1346. In addition they have 5 considerations to go by when promulgating regulations, and they're also authorized to fund commercial rebates/incentives... so ARB really isn't required to "ban" any of this stuff by 2024, but rather regulate things as is feasible. Not that necessarily people should trust that ARB is going to make good decisions, but ARB is probably going to make better case-by-case decisions after community input through the rulemaking process, than some random legislator looking for another accomplishment for their next campaign. We'll see what happens.
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Jaxyon posted:This is true everywhere in the US. Homo automovilis is so successful it's killing the whole planet
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The was a story from a few weeks ago in Texas where some guy was trying to roll coal on a group of cyclists, hosed up and ended up swerving into the whole group and sending three guys to the hospital. He then admitted at the scene to having done it and said something like "I'm going to jail for this aren't I?" Except lol nope he got off scot-free. quote:The teenager’s lawyer, Rick DeToto, described his client as “a young man in high school with college aspirations” and “a very new and inexperienced driver” in a statement to the Houston Chronicle. He said the teenager stopped immediately after hitting the cyclists, tried to help them, called 911 and cooperated with police. Look he's a wonderful and bright young man who just didn't know any better: how could such a young and inexperienced driver know intentionally trying to cover cyclists in exhaust fumes multiple times could end up causing a harmful incident? Anyway clearly he did nothing wrong, please move along.
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Sydin posted:The was a story from a few weeks ago in Texas where some guy was trying to roll coal on a group of cyclists, hosed up and ended up swerving into the whole group and sending three guys to the hospital. He then admitted at the scene to having done it and said something like "I'm going to jail for this aren't I?" Except lol nope he got off scot-free. Last I heard it had been referred to a grand jury, but it is incredibly infuriating that he was able to just go about his business after the incident.
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Recall Gavin for govt ovvereach on my lawnmower
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I for one welcome the absence of the zooming leaf blower chorus a few times a week. I don't know what my neighbors do with those things for 30 mins at a stretch, no one's combined yard/sidewalk/driveway around me is bigger than about 1000 sf, and I could probably collect a typical week's accumulation of leaves, dead grass, and dust into one solid handful.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Recall Gavin for govt ovvereach on my lawnmower Probably need to convert it into a gif with subtitles. The longer cut has the girlfriend stuff. Probably the best thing to come out of that dumb recall. 
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Recall Gavin for govt ovvereach on my lawnmower FOOD GROWS WHERE LEAVES BLOW
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I miss the bear.
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withak posted:I for one welcome the absence of the zooming leaf blower chorus a few times a week. Occasional use of a leafblower for residential landscaping is one thing. But the all-day job of landscaping a major site is hellish and is a job that should be done by robots. Hours a day use of those things must be doing terrible damage to the worker's hearing and joints, ear protection doesn't help if you have the noise source in a backpack and it's vibrating the small bones in your inner ear against each other. It's one of the cruelest, most damaging "unskilled" jobs out there and I feel really bad for everyone I see shaking their body to pieces for minimum wage.
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Yeah South Pasadena just banned gas leaf blowers, but enforcement doesn't kick in until October of 2022. And yeah 90% of the time they're just blowing dust around.
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Jaxyon posted:The California thread unable to figure out the use of leafblowers because there are no deciduous trees near them is pretty funny. there's plenty around me but it's rural so you just kind of let them stay where they are, unless you actually have a lawn or you have a small pasture or some other place where you need not-native grass. it's important to let the mulch layers grow. and if you have a firebreak you really should have cut most of the low branches away anyway if not outright cut down the non-evergreens which is gonna halt leaf buildup
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Kestral posted:Gas-powered landscaping equipment should be phased out. The problem, as I understand it from friends who are in the business, is that there are no viable electric replacements yet. Apparently the type of electric mowers that can handle wet grass - which is to say, the type they're usually dealing with - are corded, which presents some fairly obvious difficulties; the battery-powered types don't have the cutting strength, and just get hopelessly snarled. Ahh yes, famously the most common landscaping task in California these days: Cutting wet grass.
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cmerepaul posted:Ahh yes, famously the most common landscaping task in California these days: Cutting wet grass. Sprinklers are still running, especially on institutional / corporate landscaping.
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Kestral posted:Sprinklers are still running, especially on institutional / corporate landscaping. I would love to see the developer tears generated by some kind of 'all commercial property, including condos/etc, must have no outdoor plant watering'. How will they sell office leases without those little grass knolls with tiny lovely decorative trees dividing the parking lot?!
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Larry Parrish posted:also this is literally the gas emissions version of the we should ban pools and lawns thing lol. someone find the state 2020 water use pie chart where residential use (including pools and lawns and laundry) was like 2% of total usage lol. This is sort of beside your point, but landscaping is 5% of water usage in CA (from that chart). It is equal to all other "urban" water usage. Relevant to this page (I think) is, when cities want to cut back on water usage, they should start with landscaping.
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im still seeing a simple and cost effective option here, especially because all it costs is probably a few hundred calfire man-hours: simply imminent domain and then burn every almond orchard in the state after banning any further orchards. this will both save far more water (although not on the urban local level, I guess) and probably cost less than regulating landscapers (well, if they actually did it. i recall last time there was state water restrictions absolutely nobody got fined). it's also probably more popular. not that I don't think landscaping is stupid and largely should be restricted on principle, I just hate farmers more than I hate people's stupid imported grass lawns
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We could probably do well to do come kind of incentive-based works project switching from sprinklers to drip feeds
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FilthyImp posted:We could probably do well to do come kind of incentive-based works project switching from sprinklers to drip feeds Drip feeds don't reduce water usage, they just allow farmer to plant more land with the same water. If they run out of land, they sell the water to someone else, who uses it. Water efficiency is really besides the point when talking about Ag water usage.
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FilthyImp posted:We could probably do well to do come kind of incentive-based works project switching from sprinklers to drip feeds ...for means-tested, underserved communities.
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Are there environmentally friendly methods to build more water storage capacity in the fewer good rain years near metro areas? I assume it's expensive and will take a long time, if possible. Let's start working on that now.
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FilthyImp posted:We could probably do well to do come kind of incentive-based works project switching from sprinklers to drip feeds You do know California already is? From a sprinkler site, but the data are accurate. droll posted:Are there environmentally friendly methods to build more water storage capacity in the fewer good rain years near metro areas? I assume it's expensive and will take a long time, if possible. Let's start working on that now. Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Oct 18, 2021 |
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I'm starting to get the feeling that all these water saving mandates are for the sole purpose of... freeing up more water for the almond orchards and other water vampires...
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