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The Notorious ZSB posted:He said he would fight Sendo, but he never promised to fight him next. that still seems like a bizarre mealy mouthed answer that i don't think fits with ricardo's characterization so far. it's like, technically correct, but there is a reason both the audience and sendo were certain that this fight would happen. ricardo promised, and it was strongly implied to the point of being taken as a given that if they both won their bouts, they'd face off subsequently.
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No Wave posted:After 1200 chapters I don't think this manga has taken a single major plot point from AnJ. Sendo looks like Joe obviously but that's really it. Outright plot points no, the stories are significantly too different but we're literally in an arc where the three primary characters are explicitly based off of anj characters, there's very clearly a major influence
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Oct 21, 2021 00:58
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Flesnolk posted:Has there been even one fight where Ippo looked like a competent boxer ik this is a joke but its kinda funny how if you go about actually trying to answer this, the story was very, very obviously setting up ippo getting weaker and i think most of us just missed it or thought it was indicative of like, later-stage sitcom writing where the character's prominent traits become cartoony he seems very competent pretty consistently actually in the early part of the story, even his first and second pro fights offer moments of ingenuity far beyond his experience. that same cleverness shows up for his in-fight assessment vs mashiba, too, and is another example of how ippo tends to be at his best when he's got some additional motivation for the fight beyond it just being on his schedule. i'd contend pretty much straight through to date, he's a very good fighter at that, and his fight vs date was obviously a clearly great one given how far he pushed a much stronger opponent. and truthfully i feel the same through to sendo. but pretty much immediately after that, it's like he loses his marbles. his fight vs sanada was embarassing, and the same for the undersea guy. what do you know though, he performed extremely competently against sawamura (another fight where he had external motivation) (though this is tempered ig by karasawa, who he did not really care about), but then he was dogshit vs all the pacific ppl and for the most part vs gonzalez and guevera. considering what these plot points led to, it's actually kinda noticable in retrospect
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Oct 21, 2021 01:03
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To add on to that, he was not used to being Champion during his first few and reaching that resulted in a motivation drop. This was also hit harder when Date lost and retired and Ippo realized he would never fight him again right before the Sea guy. After fighting Sawamura he seemed to regain his motivation as he was promised a Miyata fight if he could get over some of his weaknesses and he beat his challengers pretty easily. Then the Miyata fight was permanently canceled cause of Miyata dropping out of it to fight Randy. And that was when Kamogawa decided to have him fight the OPBF regional champions instead of Miyata.
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Oct 21, 2021 01:31
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Morikawa is such a loving troll.
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Oct 21, 2021 01:38
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Sendo is the new protagonist and we can't have him actually meaningfully progress can we?
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Oct 21, 2021 03:54
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Fabricated posted:Woli gives me the impression that he'll be pulled out to fight against one of the other cast members lol
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Oct 21, 2021 06:22
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tbp posted:that still seems like a bizarre mealy mouthed answer that i don't think fits with ricardo's characterization so far. it's like, technically correct, but there is a reason both the audience and sendo were certain that this fight would happen. ricardo promised, and it was strongly implied to the point of being taken as a given that if they both won their bouts, they'd face off subsequently. Yeah I don't disagree, I'm just kinda trying to figure out what the potential loophole is and that's all I had. I'm guessing given he was banged up Ricardo's manager found a opponent who could face him sooner, Wally didn't have a busted hand and Ricardo wants Sendo at full strength because of course he cannot fathom losing to anyone, but the guy that knocked him down is intriguing? Maybe he views this match with Wally as some pointless exhibition against the #3 who he thinks really has no chance so there is little risk in facing him before Sendo?
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Oct 21, 2021 14:48
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i think i dropped this manga around the wally fight and have generally kept up to date via this thread and came back to reading for the sendo fight. this better be ricardo's team overriding him or something because i don't like a ricardo that goes back on his word. lord help us if wally somehow wins.
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Oct 21, 2021 15:44
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tbp posted:Outright plot points no, the stories are significantly too different but we're literally in an arc where the three primary characters are explicitly based off of anj characters, there's very clearly a major influence
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Oct 21, 2021 16:09
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No Wave posted:I don't think Woli has a whole lot in common with Carlos, if that's the third you're mentioning. I think he's talking about Harimau. I've not actually watched AnJ, but I've seen the comparisons.
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Oct 21, 2021 17:13
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I literally have no recollection of that character, mb...
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No Wave posted:I don't think Woli has a whole lot in common with Carlos, if that's the third you're mentioning. woli is based off of harimau, who was a wild man picked up from a jungle that served as the prelude to joe's cte arc. woli is also a wild man picked up from a jungle where his arc leads directly into ippo's cte arc.
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No Wave posted:I literally have no recollection of that character, mb... oh no worries. its so clear that i read and respond to these posts in order lmao. it's fair not to remember because, much like woli, harimau was without question the worst loving fight in anj.
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Oct 21, 2021 22:48
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 if anyone is upset at spoilers i don't care. this fight was so outrageously bad. this is a real page from it. they're doing flips in the ring.
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Oct 21, 2021 22:53
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Yeah I made myself sad reading that too  Context: Soth posted:STRETCHIN DIS poo poo OUT. Lets not forget all the other guys having their fights too. Geop posted:My worst fear is that this happens to Ippo and Berserk!
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Oct 21, 2021 23:38
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tbp posted:
so you're telling me that ricardo is gonna do sick backflips next fight?
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Oct 22, 2021 01:04
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Was Blanka in street fighter based on Harimau too? Raised in the jungle, does that flipping thing at opponents, generally fights like an animal
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Flesnolk posted:Was Blanka in street fighter based on Harimau too? Raised in the jungle, does that flipping thing at opponents, generally fughts like an animsl this guy seems to think so. https://twitter.com/fffightinfacts/status/1394019577634373636 lmao at that biting attack
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Oct 22, 2021 02:19
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So that fight ends with Harimau being disqualified for straight up biting a dude in the open, right? :V
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Oct 22, 2021 02:57
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Flesnolk posted:So that fight ends with Harimau being disqualified for straight up biting a dude in the open, right? :V I think he also headbuts Joe before that cause he is losing his mind. I think he gets knocked out right after this before he can be disqualified, but I don’t remember.
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from that thread https://twitter.com/fffightinfacts/status/1394022221035749380/photo/1
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Oct 22, 2021 03:19
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Fictional boxing continues to be cleaner than real boxing
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Oct 22, 2021 03:54
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Flesnolk posted:So that fight ends with Harimau being disqualified for straight up biting a dude in the open, right? :V the story acknowledges the absurdity of it all, but joe concocts some alternate superhuman attack that manages to take advantage of harimau's seeming ability to flip 5-6 times in one jump and lands a counter and he wins before the ref does anything anj spoilers now, this isn't to say the refs are any good in AnJ. they're legit probably worse than in HnI. one of the most famous fights in the whole series, joe vs carlos, ends with them starting to foul and cheat (both) in the mid rounds, and while the ref "disqualifies" both of them, the two are allowed to legitimately just brawl in the ring for like 5-6 rounds doing kicks and elbows and poo poo
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tbp posted:the story acknowledges the absurdity of it all, but joe concocts some alternate superhuman attack that manages to take advantage of harimau's seeming ability to flip 5-6 times in one jump and lands a counter and he wins before the ref does anything He actually did that earlier in the match. Harimau just got desperate and started fouling like crazy. When he does the knee and bite the Ref said he's disqualified and Joe wins. Joe interrupts him saying he has won and says Harimau can do what he wants then beats the poo poo out of him knocking him out. Then the stunned ref says Joe wins.
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MonsterEnvy posted:He actually did that earlier in the match. Harimau just got desperate and started fouling like crazy. When he does the knee and bite the Ref said he's disqualified and Joe wins. Joe interrupts him saying he has won and says Harimau can do what he wants then beats the poo poo out of him knocking him out. Then the stunned ref says Joe wins. Also Harimau breaks his neck and dies and nothing is done about this
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Oct 23, 2021 00:21
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Seems like a lot of people die in ANJ
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Things I know about Ashita No Joe 1. Manga about boxing? 2. Holy poo poo did you know he dies though
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I picked up the blurays of the anime since someone mentioned them up thread and lmao at them letting Ippo just get brutalized in his first spar. The coach is insane.
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The weirder bit of Beginning Ippo is Takamura actually giving a poo poo
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cisneros posted:Also Harimau breaks his neck and dies and nothing is done about this I did not get any impression Harimau died. I think it would have been mentioned if he was dead. It looks like he just gets knocked out.
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This kinda piqued my interest so I was gonna go read the Harimau fight, and while googling around trying to find what chapter he first appeared in I came across the wiki page that lists his height at 5'4/163cm and his reach at 83"/215cm like what the gently caress
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Flesnolk posted:Seems like a lot of people die in ANJ I’m glad Youko manages to send Joe to his death for all the times he was rude to her
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I'm actually intrigued by this, if it's taken as a chance for a revision of Wally as a more serious boxer now that he's more experienced. Morikawa might be interested in trying to take a kind of second pass at something he feels he didn't manage properly the first time. Alternatively it might just be terrible again. And I also don't yet see how it fits into the broader dramatic structure.
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Oct 23, 2021 09:54
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Seeing him play off Ricardo the boring perfect punchbot will be pretty funny either way, I'm actually looking forwards to it
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Oct 23, 2021 10:41
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I can't believe Wally beat Ricardo with a dropkick, how come nobody else thought of that before?
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Oct 25, 2021 08:25
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The bell rings and Wally just pulls out a gun and shoots Ricardo
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Oct 25, 2021 08:44
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Flesnolk posted:The bell rings and Wally just pulls out a gun and shoots Ricardo Call an ambulance... BUT NOT FOR ME!
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Oct 25, 2021 20:17
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I'm rewatching the anime, and the early series trend of Ippo's opponents all having some big important reason to be fighting, some of them with their entire future riding on the outcome of that match, while Ippo's motive is just "gee, I sure like boxing" is pretty hilarious. Slightly less so given he proceeds to break most of them in goddamn half, but still.
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One of the early fights I really like is when he fights the speed dude. His opponent doesn't do something really dumb, Ippo actually outboxes him and does it in a pretty convincing manner.
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