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SimonChris posted:
arghhh
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# ? Oct 21, 2021 07:37 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 08:44 |
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No me gusta. NO ME GUSTA
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# ? Oct 21, 2021 09:23 |
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whatta you mean "hes not a pedophile"
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# ? Oct 21, 2021 10:16 |
Carthag Tuek posted:whatta you mean "hes not a pedophile" He works at a freighter that travels at relativistic speeds, so that decades pass on earth while the trip only lasts a few months for him. Therefore, he grooms kindergarten girls before take-off, so they will be adults when he returns. See, it's not pedophilia at all! I bet you feel pretty silly now.
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# ? Oct 21, 2021 10:20 |
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So much classic sci-fi is just the author's hosed up sexuality spilling onto the page.
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# ? Oct 21, 2021 10:38 |
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SimonChris posted:He works at a freighter that travels at relativistic speeds, so that decades pass on earth while the trip only lasts a few months for him. Therefore, he grooms kindergarten girls before take-off, so they will be adults when he returns. See, it's not pedophilia at all! I bet you feel pretty silly now.
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# ? Oct 21, 2021 15:37 |
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Cool story bro
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# ? Oct 21, 2021 16:37 |
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…that makes no sense. I mean beyond the creepiness, think about the people of the opposite gender in your early life. Would you want to date any of them in your 20’s, if they were the same age? Maybe a friend or a classmate, but the teacher? The postman? Your neighbor? Just having known someone as a child doesn’t mean you’re attracted to them.
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# ? Oct 21, 2021 20:11 |
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and like not even the neighbor you see every day, but the neighbor who you interacted with for a short time as a child and then they moved away for twenty years, and suddenly show up looking the same and wanting to take you on a date? there's a song i really like specifically warning about taking back people who just show up in your life again after being gone for years, lol christ science fiction authors are hosed up
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# ? Oct 21, 2021 20:28 |
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I sometimes feel like the concept of fiction is just bad for people because you umoor their brains from the constraints of reality and for a lot of them it seems to drift off into the worst places.
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# ? Oct 21, 2021 23:57 |
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John Varley is the same dude who wrote at least one novel about many-gendered gently caress-centaurs, and I'm really impressed that someone managed to find something of his skeevier than that
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 00:00 |
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Antivehicular posted:John Varley is the same dude who wrote at least one novel about many-gendered gently caress-centaurs, and I'm really impressed that someone managed to find something of his skeevier than that I'm not even going to pretend that I wouldn't read a book if someone came up to me and said, "Zarkov, this book is about many-gendered gently caress-centaurs.". That's an elevator pitch that guarantees curiosity.
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 00:11 |
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I just looked at Wikipedia for plot synopses of the gently caress-centaur books, and OH BOY:Wikipedia on John Varley's "Wizard" posted:During the trip, the reader begins to learn what drove Cirocco to her alcoholism. As the price for the discontinuation of the Angel/Titanide War, Gaea has made the Titanides dependent on Cirocco to have children. Only her saliva can activate the eggs they produce, so that they can be implanted in a host mother to grow. The responsibility for an entire race's survival is more than Cirocco can bear; with resignation from her position as Wizard impossible and suicide ruled out by her love for the Titanides, her only release is alcohol-fueled oblivion.
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 00:13 |
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Those books are not as lighthearted as you might be led to believe Pretty fuckin' grim, really
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 00:18 |
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MY WEIRD SEX IDEAS with a side of drama.
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 00:18 |
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So the Titanides all have FAS, right?
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 02:53 |
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Antivehicular posted:I just looked at Wikipedia for plot synopses of the gently caress-centaur books, and OH BOY: Issuing correction on a previous post of mine, regarding the gently caress-centaur author. you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them"
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 03:21 |
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oh yeah John Varley is kinda infamous. (unedited chart, if you dare: https://www.tor.com/2019/11/20/the-sex-chart-that-changed-my-life-spectrums-of-sexuality-in-john-varleys-wizard/) Also a goon in the SFF thread read a insane libertarian kangaroo piss fetish/genocide novel a while back: StrixNebulosa posted:Web of the Chozen is the weirdest loving book and I don't even know where to begin explaining it. StrixNebulosa posted:I finished Web of the Chozen last night and it continued to be an absolute trip, and it asked some weird questions.
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 04:18 |
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These days if a writer has some weird-hangups and a transformation-boner they can just eject that poo poo on deviantart. Actually, what non sci-fi books but attempts at serious literature read as the authors writing blatantly one-handed? Your Amis's and your Oates etc. Inspector Gesicht has a new favorite as of 08:44 on Oct 22, 2021 |
# ? Oct 22, 2021 08:41 |
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Sounds too much like Chozo, and those mostly wholesome space burbs and good adoptive parents don't deserve that association.
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 10:00 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Sounds too much like Chozo, and those mostly wholesome space burbs and good adoptive parents don't deserve that association. Except for that one guy.
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 10:23 |
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Inspector Gesicht posted:These days if a writer has some weird-hangups and a transformation-boner they can just eject that poo poo on deviantart. Only one I can think of at the moment is Johnathan franzen. I haven't read his books but I've read some interviews and seen some tweets where the guy is so far up his own rear end it's almost trumpian. Don't think he's sci fi, more like just general fiction. I remember some big hubbub where a character in a book he wrote discovered the meaning of life after playing with a turd from the toilet, or something to that effect.
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 10:54 |
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There's a ton of "hot young chick inexplicably into cynical old writer" stuff out there...
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 12:20 |
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Inspector Gesicht posted:These days if a writer has some weird-hangups and a transformation-boner they can just eject that poo poo on deviantart. John Updike, according to reputation.
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 12:27 |
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Runcible Cat posted:There's a ton of "hot young chick inexplicably into cynical old writer" stuff out there... There's already a stereotype of every lit professor wanting to write The Great American Novel about that.
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 12:41 |
Haruki Murakami is notorious for constantly throwing in scenes where his middle-aged protagonists need to have sex with magical realist teenagers. I am particularly fond of this scene from "Kafka on the Shore", where a college girl lectures the protagonist about philosophy while giving him a blowjob:Kafka on the Shore posted:"The pure present is an ungraspable advance of the past devouring the future. In truth, all sensation is already memory." SimonChris has a new favorite as of 14:21 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 14:03 |
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I own Varley's whole space centaur trilogy, I've read it a couple times, and it is very insane, but in a way I find entertaining. Other things in the books include:
I've never read anything else by Varley. I'm a little afraid to.
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 16:10 |
RoboRodent posted:
Okay what? Do I even want to know the context for this?
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 17:20 |
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LegionAreI posted:Okay what? Do I even want to know the context for this? It's been a few years, but iirc, the intelligence that controls Titan, the wheel-shaped structure in orbit around saturn where the series takes place, is insane and a little bit obsessed with old earth movies, so she makes a body for herself that is Giant Marilyn Monroe. By the third book, everyone's pretty much in agreement that she needs to die, like for real, because she's an insane god tyrant making everyone's lives miserable, so war is inevitable. During their attack on Giant Marilyn, a pet snake that escaped into the wilds of Titan in the previous book re-emerges, turned giant, white, and intelligent (for a snake) by its experiences in this weird world, and joins the battle. The centaurs are very musical, need to have a musical score for everything they can, and Sousa is their favourite Earth composer. There are reasons for everything, but none of those reasons make the story any less insane.
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 17:38 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:John Updike, according to reputation. What's Updike?
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 19:18 |
SimonChris posted:Haruki Murakami is notorious for constantly throwing in scenes where his middle-aged protagonists need to have sex with magical realist teenagers. I am particularly fond of this scene from "Kafka on the Shore", where a college girl lectures the protagonist about philosophy while giving him a blowjob: Murakami is one of my faves, but when they finally translated his first two novels into english, the second one Pinball 1973 is about the protagonist (the same guy from wild sheep chase, and dance dance dance) being obsessed with pinball, and living and sleping with these two twins who mysteriously show up at his house one day. Like dude, come on. I also like(d?) Dave eggers a lot, but Hologram for the king was definitely his novel in the category. Schlubby business man keeps hooking up with out of his league ladies. Goddamn nonsense.
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 20:11 |
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I was reading a trash sci-fi book (The Right Hand of Dextra) where the concept is fine, it's pulp paperback trash but "human colony ship lands on dextroprotein planet and humans have to fight the native ecosystem to survive" is an interesting enough concept you could do a couple things with it. It's just that what the author chose to do is go hard in on making it about miscegenation and racism. Now, I don't think the author necessarily likes these things. They're presented in a lurid and sensationalizing way, but the same way you'd present like, "Here's the real gritty version of what things were like in the past. People kept slaves and that was normal and you only think it's weird because of your culture." The viewpoints of the characters are meant to be morally ambiguous and kind of relativistic. There's a whole Wouldn't It Be Weird if... thing where the women are the warriors and expendable fighters where the men are frail and sheltered. But while I don't think the author found what he was writing titillating it's so unpleasantly lurid about everything that I just stopped reading. Even if loving dextroprotein underage faun aliens with literally underdeveloped minds isn't his kink, he still felt it worth writing a book where there's a will they won't they thing between a seventeen year old girl and one of the ambiguously aged aliens who work as slaves. On the plantation. You see, in Roman times, chattel slavery was actually common...
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 22:30 |
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The Right Hand of Dextra is right up there with Manos: The Hands of Fate for redundancy.
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 22:37 |
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If we're still talking about skeevy litfic, I've always thought John Irving's stuff had an uncomfortable layer of slime on it. I've only read two of his books, but the fact that they both involved extended episodes where the adolescent protagonist learns various sexual and life lessons from a group of simultaneously earthy and pitiful Berlin prostitutes meant I was done. Also Philip Roth wrote an entire novella about a dude who transforms into a giant, sapient single breast, and a non-trivial amount of that is just flashbacks to the protagonist's pre-breast life as a neurotic literature professor, so... that's a thing that exists.
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 22:52 |
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I know it's come up here before, but I read The Wise Man's Fear not too long ago, and god....the whole section where the main character wanders into the fae world and instantly goes from virgin to the greatest gently caress god the fairy queen has ever known its one of the cringiest things I've read. I was mostly rereading those books out of curiosity after having a discussion about problematic elements in them, and they're very mixed. There are some things I like in them, but there are definitely tons of issues, and that's either the worst or at least the most embarrassing.
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 23:05 |
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RoboRodent posted:[*] All the lady characters end up in relationships with other women except for the one from the lesbian space colony who ends up falling in love with a dude after she learns that not all men are rapists A lot of lovely writers have this kind of weird "rubbing it in your face" type of creepiness and I hate it.
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# ? Oct 22, 2021 23:09 |
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I read a story in an anthology once where a man meets a little girl and gets caught up in her escape from evil government guys, and they're chasing her because it turns out she ages very rapidly. He eventually drops her off at his mother's, I think, to keep her safe from the bad guys, and later on he comes back and she's an adult, and you can guess what happens based on what thread this is and the John Varley talk. Then she gets captured by the bad guys anyway, but I think manages to send him the kid she'd had by that point (he's the father), who maybe has the same condition as her. Wish I could remember what it was called, or who wrote it. Ick.
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# ? Oct 23, 2021 01:38 |
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The last few pages make me think of the one "Geek Social Fallacy /r Sex" that I remember offhand.quote:GSFS 2: The weirder your sex, the more enlightened you are. Because nothing quite hits the jackoff trifecta as "Having the upper hand in the power game", "Thinking you're so much more advanced than all those other plebs" and "Women are just bitches."
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# ? Oct 29, 2021 10:26 |
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Some time back a gave a try to Dangerous Visions, and I'm honestly not sure if that's really what passed for transgressive or if it's just one big troll by Harlan Ellison. Now, it of course has the infamous "In the barn" story, one that particularly stuck with me was one where this guy discovers the existence of a planet that nobody wants to acknowledge, it's found on no maps etc. So he makes a trip there to see what's the big deal and finds a veritable utopia, everyone is healthy,happy prosperous and wise. So do you know what the reason is for this prosperity? It's free love. Specifically incestuous free love. And very specifically dad-daughter incestuous free love. And yes,the author had daughters,why do you ask?
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# ? Oct 29, 2021 11:04 |
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"I yearn for a different world, a better one!" Oh man, me too. "I'll write about what my ideal world would be like!" Awesome, this is pretty-- oh Jesus Christ um We have... very different concerns I think
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# ? Oct 29, 2021 14:08 |