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I could genuinely see the reason Q messes a bit Mariner (but not that seriously) being because she sassed him good one time on the Enterprise-D when she was 14 and he was there to annoy Picard.
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MikeJF posted:I could genuinely see the reason Q messes a bit Mariner (but not that seriously) being because she sassed him good one time on the Enterprise-D when she was 14. It's probably a rerun of the Janeway situation. "I merely put up with all these other imbeciles and assholes, but you? You're the one I genuinely like."
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Oct 28, 2021 04:57
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MikeJF posted:I would argue that he wasn't rooting for humanity the first few times but got invested in them without intending to very quickly. nine-gear crow posted:I've long argued that Q presents himself as humanity's judge and executioner, but in reality he's actually humanity's defense attorney, and even he doesn't realize it sometimes.  Holy poo poo that's such an excellent way of putting it.
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Oct 28, 2021 06:38
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I have finished Enterprise. I'm mad.
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Oct 28, 2021 08:11
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a neat cape posted:I have finished Enterprise. You have joined a very big club my friend.
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Oct 28, 2021 08:34
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a neat cape posted:I have finished Enterprise. welcome, friend
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a neat cape posted:I have finished Enterprise. I told you you’d laugh or be mad when you found out who Chef was.
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Oct 28, 2021 09:07
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As we always say, Terra Prime was a perfectly fine finale and I don't know what you're talking about.
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Oct 28, 2021 09:43
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at least it gave us this (lower decks spoilers)
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Oct 28, 2021 09:50
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LividLiquid posted:Ooh! I really like that reading. And the moment of the switch was when Picard admitted they were in over their heads and said "I need you!" in "Q Who".
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MikeJF posted:As we always say, Terra Prime was a perfectly fine finale and I don't know what you're talking about.
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Oct 28, 2021 14:48
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a neat cape posted:I have finished Enterprise. Don't worry, you'll forget 90% of it within 6 months.
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Oct 28, 2021 14:51
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nine-gear crow posted:Picard is the love of Q's life. Sisko just never clicked with him and ghosted him. Janeway is the one person in the universe who Q considers a legitimate friend. And he desperately wants to hang out with Mariner in order to seem hip and with it, but she's way too cool for him so he just settles for bugging her mom instead. 
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Oct 28, 2021 15:37
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I would exterminate the Borg with the same care I'd give to a bunch of termites. I would not exterminate the Founders because I'm concerned how many peer states may view it, but I would not have interfered with existing Federation operations to exterminate the Founders. Sisko was wrong to trick the Romulans by murdering their diplomat after attempting to feed them falsified data. The Federation should have killed every Jem'Hadar that assisted in retaking that magic portal from the other Jem'Hadar, then used it exactly like the rogue Jem'Hadar were doing. Colonel West was right.
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Oct 28, 2021 15:59
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sisko's plan was only to try to give them fake information to get them into the war. he didn't realize that garak had thought 3 steps ahead and knew there was no good way to make authentic looking datarods so he would then assassinate the senator and use the explosion to explain why the datarod looked so lovely. sisko's plan and involvement were a patsy affair, there was no way garak was going to get an audience with vreenak he needed federation authority to get that kind of access to him and his ship
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Garak doesn't trick the Romulans. He murders the guy and says "now you can trick them." Sisko makes the decision not to tell Romulus the truth.
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Paper Lion posted:sisko's plan was only to try to give them fake information to get them into the war. he didn't realize that garak had thought 3 steps ahead and knew there was no good way to make authentic looking datarods so he would then assassinate the senator and use the explosion to explain why the datarod looked so lovely. sisko's plan and involvement were a patsy affair, there was no way garak was going to get an audience with vreenak he needed federation authority to get that kind of access to him and his ship "You killed him!" "That's right!" "You knew that rod wouldn't pass inspection! You just wanted to get Senator Vreenak on the station so you could plant a bomb on his shuttle!" "It wasn't quite that simple! I had hopes that the rod would pass inspection, but I suspected that Tolar wasn't quite up to the task."
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Sash! posted:I would exterminate the Borg with the same care I'd give to a bunch of termites. I didn't know Henry Kissinger had an SA account.
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Oct 28, 2021 17:56
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I'd consider the argument that the Borg, being a collective, would be as justifiable as assassinating Hitler.
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Oct 28, 2021 18:00
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Assassinating Hitler while he was wearing a suit of armour made out of babies!
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I'm watching TNG for the first time, but to be honest I'm mostly skipping a lot of episodes and watching those that I think will be more about the Sci-Fi than about building the Trek universe and politics. I say that just to make clear that I'm operating with incomplete information. Is it just me or does the show really lean into the crew's romantic lives in season 4-5? I know that Trek has always been Horny, but it just feels like in season 4-5 any time the Enterprise runs into a new entity/phenomenon, at least 50% of the story is about how this affects the love life of someone in the crew. Enterprise performs a c-section on a space whale? Let's spend 50% of the episode exploring Geordi's creepy infatuation with Brahms. Q reappears? Kidnaps Vash to teach Picard a lesson. First time encountering a Trill? Beverly's in love with it. The crew gets their memories erased? Riker is now horny for two women. I'm just curious if that's just my imagination and the show was always that way, or maybe I'm just cherry picking.
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Sash! posted:Garak doesn't trick the Romulans. He murders the guy and says "now you can trick them." yes, but youve moved the goalposts from "sisko killed the senator" which he emphatically did not do and had nothing to do with. sure he could have come clean, but with the weight of all the deaths he sees every week on the space postit board and knowing theyre losing the war, and with the set up already done for him by someone else, why not play dumb and live with it? he can live with it.
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Sash! posted:I would exterminate the Borg with the same care I'd give to a bunch of termites. Most everyone that thinks this way dies in world war III and the Vulcans uplift the survivors leaving only small and disparate groups of assholes and lovely admirals within the federation and Starfleet
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Tighclops posted:Most everyone that thinks this way dies in world war III and the Vulcans uplift the survivors leaving only small and disparate groups of assholes and lovely admirals within the federation and Starfleet This reminds me about how Riker says there are 600 million dead after WW3, and how low that always seemed to me for a global nuclear super-conflict. Not that its not a lot, but still, I would think it'd have been higher.
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Tighclops posted:Most everyone that thinks this way dies in world war III and the Vulcans uplift the survivors leaving only small and disparate groups of assholes and lovely admirals within the federation and Starfleet Given how many of those people are in the positions of power inside the Federation itself, seems like plenty of us survived. Probably because we're the grim underbelly of human nature that you can't get rid of because we're ultimately a species of predators, no matter how much jazz you try to play on a luxury liner in space.
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Sash! posted:Given how many of those people are in the positions of power inside the Federation itself, seems like plenty of us survived. Guess its a good thing the protagonists generally make their living stopping you then.
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Having watched TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT and having no real desire to watch anything else, I made lists I made lists. Top 5 TNG Episodes: 1. Tapestry 2. Inner Light 3. Chains of Command 4. Best of Both Worlds 5. All Good Things Top 5 DS9 1. In the Pale Moonlight 2. It's Only a Paper Moon 3. The Visitor 4. Far Beyond the Stars 5. Duet Top 5 Voyager: 1. Year of Hell 2. Night 3. Scorpion 4. Timeless 5. Living Witness Top 5 Enterprise 1. Shuttlepod One 2. In a Mirror Darkly 3. Demons 4. Dear Doctor 5. Similitude
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Sanguinia posted:Guess its a good thing the protagonists generally make their living stopping you then. Fuckin' A 👊
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I'm surprised Dear Doctor is up there, the absolutely questionable ethics and silly science make it one of my least favorites. Archer is right and Phlox is wrong. They should've given the cure to those people instead of let them die horribly because maybe the other race on the planet will 'over take'. It's horrid. Just peak Berman era misunderstanding of the Prime Directive. I hate it.
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a neat cape posted:Having watched TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT and having no real desire to watch anything else, I made lists All great choices from each respective series. I'd strongly suggest checking out Lower Decks, especially if you made it through all of 90s/00s Trek unscathed and it's still fresh in your mind. I think you'd get a kick out of it. Picard is incredibly polarizing but there's some legitimately good stuff mixed in with all its missteps. I don't blame for not wanting to bother with Discovery though. Congrats regardless. You made it! 
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ST: Picard fundamentally killed my lifelong interest in the entire Star Trek universe and it is for that reason that I will warn anyone away from it at any opportunity. Like, it was the final slug through my heart after being riddled with bullets but still. poo poo's terrible, no redeeming qualities after the first two episodes or so. Go watch Dune instead.
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Lower Decks is good and Dune is good. It's Only a Paper Moon does not deserve top 5 status.
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Sanguinia posted:This reminds me about how Riker says there are 600 million dead after WW3, and how low that always seemed to me for a global nuclear super-conflict. Not that its not a lot, but still, I would think it'd have been higher. Tighclops posted:ST: Picard fundamentally killed my lifelong interest in the entire Star Trek universe and it is for that reason that I will warn anyone away from it at any opportunity. Like, it was the final slug through my heart after being riddled with bullets but still. poo poo's terrible, no redeeming qualities after the first two episodes or so. Go watch Dune instead. There's room for a Ben Shapiro joke, but I'm in the same boat. PIC and LDS were the one-two punch that knocked out any hope that there would be something about this modern iteration of Trek I actually like, and the only bit of Trek media I still engage with regularly is Star Trek Online, which at this point I'm playing solely to tick off boxes. And yet I'm still posting in this thread, a slave to my dispassions.
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Tighclops posted:ST: Picard fundamentally killed my lifelong interest in the entire Star Trek universe and it is for that reason that I will warn anyone away from it at any opportunity. Like, it was the final slug through my heart after being riddled with bullets but still. poo poo's terrible, no redeeming qualities after the first two episodes or so. Go watch Dune instead. Picard and Discovery are hate watches for me, just to see how they gently caress things up.
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Tighclops posted:ST: Picard fundamentally killed my lifelong interest in the entire Star Trek universe and it is for that reason that I will warn anyone away from it at any opportunity. Like, it was the final slug through my heart after being riddled with bullets but still. poo poo's terrible, no redeeming qualities after the first two episodes or so. Go watch Dune instead. Patrick Stewart, ruining Star Trek for you: 
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I blame the teeming hordes of faceless, creatively bankrupt and doubtlessly coke-addled producers and executives made and encouraged by our monstrous economic system
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