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chiasaur11 posted:They hung out for a little bit on Side 6, when Amuro met Lalah, and they had the whole getting-to-know-each-other-by-fighting thing that's a recurring motif in Gundam. Is that enough to really get to know eachother? Like sure he helped him get unstuck from the mud I suppose 
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Is that enough to really get to know eachother? Like sure he helped him get unstuck from the mud I suppose I mean, for Newtypes eye contact can mean a deep romantic relationship, so... yeah, probably.
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quote:Ha-ha Kamille, you were always such a kidder! That line is so much worse when you find out the actor was arrested for child porn.
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COVID has apparently permanently closed the Gundam Cafes.
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Gaius Marius posted:That line is so much worse when you find out the actor was arrested for child porn.  wdarkk posted:COVID has apparently permanently closed the Gundam Cafes. Pretty hosed up that they'd depict COVID-19 in the show...
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If Covid has permanently closed the Gundam cafes, what's the Gundam cafe Twitter offering seating reservations for? e: Oh, I see  They got a couple months run time yet. e2: This is probably a setup for "Oh! The winter business saved (one or two of our sites)" Nessus fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Nov 2, 2021 |
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They'll probably reopen them when then Tokyo Olympics finally happen
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Gripweed posted:They'll probably reopen them when then Tokyo Olympics finally happen I have some bad news on that front.
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That's a shame, the cafes were fun places. The themed dishes were cool.
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Some day I'd like to see a full on cockpit simulator Gundam game ala Mechwarrior that isn't relegated to a Japanese arcade. Or an RTS. There was a Homeworld 2 One Year War mod that had some nice Salamis class ship models.
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Arc Hammer posted:Some day I'd like to see a full on cockpit simulator Gundam game ala Mechwarrior that isn't relegated to a Japanese arcade. Have you ever played "Rise from the Ashes" for Dreamcast? It might be what you want, more or less. Cockpit view, several meters to worry about, grunt Mobile Suits, squad commands, all that good stuff. It's a little on the short side, but it seems like something you'd be interested in.
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#0082 - Activation of Gryps Still really weird thing with the "sister". Emma proposes to put the distressed person into the DETENTION ROOM, Kamille agrees. Read the room, idiots. Why do so many people get lost on ships? Welp, Scirocco is a massive creep. Just a dweeb who goes around telling everyone his heart is theirs and making grandiose claims. Can't wait for him to die. How convenient that every mobile suit's left leg was visible behind the cover. You know its a little justified when everyone forgets who Reccoa is. YOU TELL HER KAMILLE! THAT BITCH! SHE CALLED YOU INNOCENT, EVEN WITH ALL THE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS!  NEVER! THIS IS GARBAGE!!! Okay but seriously Kamille's reaction is great. Modern adaptations of that scene could never be so child-friendly. Lol Emma gets owned, but at least she has a better reason for defecting. "She might be a cyber newtype." "You're saying she's a cyber newtype?!" "I... I haven't examined her yet, idiot." Oh gently caress well I guess the intended miss was a complete failure. Kamille has a display of Star weak, end strong, what an episode.
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I don't think it's Space Madness. Space Madness is, after all, no excuse for Space Rudeness, and Gundam has Space Rudeness all over the place.
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chiasaur11 posted:I don't think it's Space Madness. Space Madness is, after all, no excuse for Space Rudeness, and Gundam has Space Rudeness all over the place. I thought that was Space Rudo-ness.
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Arc Hammer posted:Some day I'd like to see a full on cockpit simulator Gundam game ala Mechwarrior that isn't relegated to a Japanese arcade. There's a dude working on something like this for VR. Real janky though but he seems to enjoy making it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_dPrKzpJkc
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#0083 - Awakening Imagine, kids lying! Maybe they should focus on the health and safety aspect of the check-up instead of just staying on board. Candy solves all problems. gently caress's sake why the peak, anime!? "We're not a gang of killers, gangs are less organized!" Rosamie... this is gonna be over soon, yeah? Wait the Methis is still operational? I thought it was blown up! Apparently nobody has been hearing this loud shouting for... ever. And, of course, another mobile suit hijacking. Wow this is pretty hosed up. They really want to show all these civilians dying nowadays   Oh gently caress, don't mess with Kamille when he's pissed. Kamille, I think blasting the Hizak AFTER STABBING IT might be much. That was a cool head-destruction animation from the vulcans. Oh, well, guess that answers this Rosamie thing.
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#0084 - Goodbye, Rosammy This doc's getting weird. "They're humans, you can't program them!" Oh Kamille, how innocent you are... Oh great now the Titan's have a clone of Char AND he's a Lieutenant! Kamille promises to bring back Rosammy. Judging by the episode title, this will not end well. Oh hey Katz! Glad to see some characters are back. No Yazan yet, 3/10. You're a pretty smart girl Rosammy, that's why I'll kill you last! Oh, wait, she ran off without her helmet huh? Princess Mineva (Minayva?) was just here?! The plot thickens!  Hot-Blooded! drat this universe doesn't operate on Elder Scrolls rules. Kamille's about to learn an important lesson on the battlefield! Weird that Kamille and Char opted out of using a great possible ambush location, even if they only got rid of the "handlers".
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Oh great now the Titan's have a clone of Char AND he's a Lieutenant! Everybody's a Lieutenant in Zeta Gundam! (I mean, everybody except Bright.)
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#0085 - Haman's Victory Wow Haro, what a jerk. Everyone's on edge, where have I seen this before... Oh poo poo Space Ghost is here?! Why did they make the smallest white flag for the Gundam to use? Will Char say plea~oh well that tension didn't last. Dang betrayals left, right, and center!  Cool. Lmao Torres is happy that Katz is acting as the sacrifice instead of him. How noble. Basque just slugs a guy so hard I think he died. You know... when is Bright going to get a nice ship. Seems like there's been very little in the way of innovation/building since Zeta Gundam came online.
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chiasaur11 posted:Everybody's a Lieutenant in Zeta Gundam! Lieutenants, Corporals of the Officer corps!
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Jobbo_Fett posted:You know... when is Bright going to get a nice ship. Seems like there's been very little in the way of innovation/building since Zeta Gundam came online. I'll be real with you Jobbo; there's very little in the way of ship innovation in Gundam as a whole. Hell, there's very little innovation that isn't directly tied to mobile suits in Gundam as a whole. The franchise in general isn't really great at world-building anything not directly related to the current conflict, and it often feels like the only technology that exists does so purely to power mobile suits. Which, yeah, is a fuction of the franchises focus on gunpla, but still feels like a let down at times.
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tsob posted:I'll be real with you Jobbo; there's very little in the way of ship innovation in Gundam as a whole. Hell, there's very little innovation that isn't directly tied to mobile suits in Gundam as a whole. The franchise in general isn't really great at world-building anything not directly related to the current conflict, and it often feels like the only technology that exists does so purely to power mobile suits. Which, yeah, is a fuction of the franchises focus on gunpla, but still feels like a let down at times. I get it, I guess I'm just surprised 'cause there's always new enemy mobile suits or mobile armors, or ships... or nukes/solar rays, but very little in the way of "the good guys" getting upgrades in the last like... 30 episodes? The Hyakushiki and Methis are the latest ones at this point iirc.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:I get it, I guess I'm just surprised 'cause there's always new enemy mobile suits or mobile armors, or ships... or nukes/solar rays, but very little in the way of "the good guys" getting upgrades in the last like... 30 episodes? The Hyakushiki and Methis are the latest ones at this point iirc. The good guys are kinda hosed at that point IIRC?
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wdarkk posted:The good guys are kinda hosed at that point IIRC? Titans have the planet killer and are gassing anyone who opposes them. Also cyber-newtypes. Team Zabi is back, has advanced weaponry and nukes. Federation sucks and barely does anything... if anything at all. AEUG have two ships, about 50 pilots, limited ability for... anything.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:I get it, I guess I'm just surprised 'cause there's always new enemy mobile suits or mobile armors, or ships... or nukes/solar rays, but very little in the way of "the good guys" getting upgrades in the last like... 30 episodes? The Hyakushiki and Methis are the latest ones at this point iirc. The classic structure in mecha shows, and especially Gundam shows, is the 'mid-season upgrade', where the protagonists get new toys halfway through the show to represent them and/or the story turning an important corner. Generally, these sorts of show want to keep their main characters' looks relatively consistent and identifiable to make the action more understandable, so changes of equipment will be relatively sparse but important.
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Darth Walrus posted:The classic structure in mecha shows, and especially Gundam shows, is the 'mid-season upgrade', where the protagonists get new toys halfway through the show to represent them and/or the story turning an important corner. Generally, these sorts of show want to keep their main characters' looks relatively consistent and identifiable to make the action more understandable, so changes of equipment will be relatively sparse but important. Yeah but like, I dunno, spruce up the Methis after it gets deleted and Fa almost dies!
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Darth Walrus posted:The classic structure in mecha shows, and especially Gundam shows, is the 'mid-season upgrade', where the protagonists get new toys halfway through the show to represent them and/or the story turning an important corner. Generally, these sorts of show want to keep their main characters' looks relatively consistent and identifiable to make the action more understandable, so changes of equipment will be relatively sparse but important. Yep. By contrast, the baddies weren't usually expected to move much plastic (Gundam changed things) so they would often get a weird new design every week, so the hero would have an excuse to show off some new gimmick boosting toy sales. There are new ship designs in the UC, but they advance slower than mechas. That said, there is a lot of sci-fi stuff across the franchise that's not directly part of robot fights. The UC has a lot of effort spent on the logistics of space colonies, CC has coldsleep and nanomachine preservation, CE focuses more on genetic engineering, AD goes hard on psychohistory, and PD has a metric fuckton of non-Mobile Suit advanced technology shaping the setting.
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The thing is the AEUG is in the worst position of all the main players in the gryps war. The Titans until Dakar had most of the resources of the fédération to build up their forces and used that advantage to build up a ton of new technology, ships, and advance their cyber new type core. The AEUG meanwhile was relying on donations, like how Wang said when he was talking about the Radish being built, and stealing prototypes. If not for the infighting in the Titans, Haman joining the fray, and the outsized skill of people like Amuro, Quattro, and Kamille the AEUG didn't really stand a chance in an open fight. Think back to the Titans actions. Assassinating Blex, gassing pro AEUG colonies, and occupying Granada and strongarming Anaheim they were fighting an insurgency and trying to cut off their means of support.
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Yeah, like I said I just really want like... a new type of missile in an arm launcher or like... a different beam rifle at this point. As for names of stuff... I'm like 3 for 97 so far? Kai Hayato and Emma. Char/Quattro doesnt count.
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Careful that thinking is how we get dumb poo poo like AGE's drill beam
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Gaius Marius posted:The thing is the AEUG is in the worst position of all the main players in the gryps war. The Titans until Dakar had most of the resources of the fédération to build up their forces and used that advantage to build up a ton of new technology, ships, and advance their cyber new type core. The AEUG meanwhile was relying on donations, like how Wang said when he was talking about the Radish being built, and stealing prototypes. If not for the infighting in the Titans, Haman joining the fray, and the outsized skill of people like Amuro, Quattro, and Kamille the AEUG didn't really stand a chance in an open fight. They still had more than Axis. They had about half of the regular Federal forces and the primary Mobile Suit developer in the solar system on their side. Even if it was less than the Titans, they were still competitive.
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chiasaur11 posted:They still had more than Axis. They had about half of the regular Federal forces and the primary Mobile Suit developer in the solar system on their side. Even if it was less than the Titans, they were still competitive. I think Anaheim gets an outsized reputation from the rest of the series, but during Zeta itself the Titans were pretty easily shown to match and surpass their developments of new suits and weapons. Kinda don't want to get too into Axis cause he hasn't seen ZZ, but Axis also has a massive strategic advantage of not being in anyone's gunsights until Haman wants to be. What they might lack in resources they easily make up by being able to play the two factions off of eachother. An advantage that neither the AEUG or the Titans could ever have.
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Argas posted:The biggest innovation ship-wise would be more or less the entire surviving OYW Salamis fleet getting converted into pseudo escort carriers by giving them an internal hangar deck and a dorsal launch deck. And any new Salamis being built with those changes incorporated. That and we see the Main ships being changed to Carriers and Assault Carriers after the OYW. Like the Argama, and the Radish or for the Titans The Alexandria and the Dogosse Gier
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In-universe what happened was that someone at a certain point realized that since Mobile Suits already have battleship-tier firepower in the form of mech portable beam weapons the primary combat advantage of the battleship went away. If you recall in the really early episodes Char makes a point of saying that the Gundam has the firepower of a battleship with its rifle, and that's scary and also it is way way faster than a battleship and way harder to shoot. That coupled with Minofsky Particle interference that make long distance combat a crapshoot means that conventional thinking in-universe became that if it's spaceworthy and can carry some Mobile Suits it's probably good enough good enough to take into combat. It also being able to shoot megaparticle beams in a direction is nice, but once Mobile Suit warfare really took hold the primary value of battleships became their ability to ferry Mobile Suits around. The biggest innovation that UC Gundam introduced to battleships was eventually giving them shields to protect from long-range random volley fire, and that took an extra 30 goddamn years after that technology became commonplace for someone to put that one together (though the ongoing lingering death of the EFF probably didn't help their). Of course out of universe it's that you can't sell model kits as easily for ships as you can for robots so what does it matter? As long as the good guy ship is in good guy colors that make it distinct from all the other ships you're fine. After all, this is a giant robot show not a giant ship show, if you really want a lot about giant ships go watch Space Battleship Yamato (note: do this anyways, Yamato 2199 is a sweet movie series.)
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Omnicrom posted:In-universe what happened was that someone at a certain point realized that since Mobile Suits already have battleship-tier firepower in the form of mech portable beam weapons the primary combat advantage of the battleship went away. The Minovsky particle also short circuits the biggest threat to carrier supremacy as a doctrine that is currently rising in real life: the UC never has to deal with the rise of guided missile saturation attacks. I think it's also worth noting that, at least as far as the hull is concerned, ships develop slower than fighters. Look at the variation in silhouette shape between aircraft from 1939 to 2009. Compare that to warships. The real innovations in warships are inside the hull or mounted to the deck--better sensor systems, fire control, guided missiles. (edit: It's only within the last 30 years or so that you start seeing more exotic hull designs meant to defeat surface radar. And even those are slow on the uptake). Honestly, the biggest disruption in modern naval warfare to this point was the obsolescence of the battleship and the homogenization of hulls across the fleet where it became the job of EVERYTHING ELSE to protect the carrier and its tenders. Salamis and Magellan class warships dinking around the Earth Sphere in to the 0150s is pretty true to life. Warmachine fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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