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Mameluke posted:Me reading forced feminization captions: This loving owns
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Nov 2, 2021 13:34
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stop talking like you're in d&d, it raises my hackles
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Nov 2, 2021 13:34
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Dolphin posted:stop talking like you're in d&d, it raises my hackles Instead of a disgusting revolution, how about we liberate China, which is currently the only place in the world committing genocide and also the only place emitting greenhouse gas, as you can see in the following links from trusted source Bellingcat.
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Nov 2, 2021 13:38
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:That kind of movement doesn't only have to be about political structure. Maybe you could imagine a revolution where people are in mass forbidding certain technologies and sanctioning people for participating in environmental destruction. Sanctioning people? Or the ruling class? Environmental destruction is the purview of the ownership class, people don't have any real capacity to be environmentally destructive or to preclude environmental destruction. Dolphin posted:stop talking like you're in d&d, it raises my hackles shut the gently caress up lol
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Nov 2, 2021 13:38
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Perhaps if we voted for the right people this would all take care of itself through smart climate policy and funding to private corporations to innovate oh there's blood coming out of my eyes hang on
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Nov 2, 2021 13:39
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👏 self 👏 regulation 👏
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Nov 2, 2021 13:42
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Shima Honnou posted:Instead of a disgusting revolution, how about we liberate China, which is currently the only place in the world committing genocide and also the only place emitting greenhouse gas, as you can see in the following links from trusted source Bellingcat. 
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Nov 2, 2021 13:43
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Sanctioning people? Or the ruling class? Environmental destruction is the purview of the ownership class, people don't have any real capacity to be environmentally destructive or to preclude environmental destruction. Bad news everyone is on trial but yeah mostly talking about the systems and its defenders
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Nov 2, 2021 13:43
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I put my aluminum in the recycling bin what more do you people want from me
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Nov 2, 2021 13:44
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I put my aluminum in the recycling bin what more do you people want from me the scalp of one car should absolve you
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Nov 2, 2021 13:48
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:^^^ definitely agree that people are too cowered right now. We need something like a Greta with 1000 times more charisma to move anyone to do anything RIP Che
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Nov 2, 2021 13:58
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There's a good chance anyone who could fulfill that role is quickly assassinated or subdued. I think many times it's just due to poor tactics
Jokerpilled Drudge has issued a correction as of 15:00 on Nov 2, 2021 |
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Nov 2, 2021 14:30
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Oh hey, we're saved, everyone: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10154847/Amazons-Jeff-Bezos-pledges-732m-help-reforestation-Africa-chat-Prince-Charles.html Spacelord of Amazon is donating some of his pocket change to plant trees in Africa. Whew, that was close there for a minute or two. You know, even though there's been plenty of studies that say "reforestation" doesn't loving work.
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Nov 2, 2021 14:42
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quote:Coldplay's next tour will partly be powered by a dancefloor that generates electricity when fans jump up and down, and pedal power at the venues. https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-58898766 Lots of progress being made 
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Nov 2, 2021 15:00
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quote:The survey also shows that many scientists are struggling with grief and anxiety. Paola Arias, a climate scientist at Colombia’s University of Antioquia, told Nature that the climate crisis made her decide not to have children.
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Nov 2, 2021 15:09
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBufEIPat1k lmao
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Nov 2, 2021 15:25
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lol these countries are all going to need to be evacuated sadly
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Nov 2, 2021 15:38
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Imperial core leftists are too cowardly and stupid to wage revolutionary war (at present time). But more importantly, irrespective of the fact that revolution is a non-negotiable precondition for the remediation of the climate crisis, it wouldn't actually enable anyone to resolve the climate crisis because there is no way to do so. You are advocating for revolution + magic. This is idiotic and self-defeating. First you have a revolution, then you try your best - that's all. Deciding its impossible a priori is liberalism, and liberalism is a mass extinction event.
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Nov 2, 2021 16:39
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China's looking towards a real one this winter. Telling a billion people to stockpile poo poo. https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/china-tells-families-hoard-food-055019283.html?guccounter=1
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Nov 2, 2021 16:44
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splifyphus posted:This is idiotic and self-defeating. First you have a revolution, then you try your best - that's all. Deciding its impossible a priori is liberalism, and liberalism is a mass extinction event. It's impossible because it requires literal magic... believing in literal magic is certainly far more idealist and liberal than my position based in science? What is your intent? In other words, how will you de-carbonize the global economy without mass starvation and death and rioting? How will you remove carbon from the air directly (without adding more carbon than you're removing)? What sources of energy will exist for the post-revolution society and how will you get disparate nations all to agree to not re-institute non-renewable energy even as their people die and riot? How will the plastics crisis be remediated? How will ecological collapse? Ocean collapse? And those are just questions for post-revolution and only a small slice. I'm curious how you think revolution occurs at all when the levers of working class power have been almost entirely removed*? What you are saying is a solution surely exists because I believe a solution exists or else it's too upsetting for me to acknowledge that there isn't any solution (now, today, not forty years ago). *Strikes don't work anymore because of outsourcing and because of the high liquidity of the capitalist class - that is, they can send your job elsewhere or wait you out. Protesting/demonstrations also have no teeth. Unions are in many instances captured but they may remain as the best hope currently - but communism is not trade unionism. There's also no communist superpower anymore so you cannot actually contend with the might of capitalist states - Cuba wasn't invaded because the USSR had nukes. And so on. Really there is no working class power at all right now. Which is not to say that revolution is impossible but you are giving it almost as a triviality foiled against the non-trivial task of climate change remediation. Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 18:20 on Nov 2, 2021 |
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Nov 2, 2021 16:57
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That guy really irritates me and I'm not exactly sure why.
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Nov 2, 2021 17:15
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Perry Mason Jar posted:It's impossible because it requires literal magic... believing in literal magic is certainly far more idealist and liberal than my position based in science? ah so this is how you got your title
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Nov 2, 2021 17:26
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Title is from anti-Malthusianism in D&D a few years ago. If they were being honest they would've written "population control" rather than "feminism and healthcare". It simply is true that the RC are Malthusian genocidaires. At the time I was talking more specifically about BMGF sterilizing Indian men and African women. But there's more than that, of course. Nestlé's baby formula is particularly famous and "feminism and healthcare"
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Nov 2, 2021 17:31
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The red text is ironic because I used to get into drawn out back-and-forths about anti-natalism, from the position of an anti-natalist, which I am. But I stopped doing that cause it stopped being fun. Don't have kids though!
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Nov 2, 2021 17:33
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Okay but I am just saying the work of a revolution should not be set aside in the face of a literal apocalypse in order to answer the endless recriminations of whether better things are possible thats loser poo poo, do you want to lose to these fuckos?
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Nov 2, 2021 17:36
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Hmm? Neither am IPerry Mason Jar posted:I should give a caveat, that imperial core leftists will need to engage in anti-imperialist (against domestic imperialism, now) class war whether or not it enables remediation of the climate crisis simply to continue enjoying basic civil rights, safety, leisure, housing, and so on. Fighting fascism is of course still paramount but we shouldn't have any illusions about any triumphs over fascism winning us a hospitable Earth.
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Nov 2, 2021 17:38
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Absolutely engage in class war. Please do, yes.
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Nov 2, 2021 17:38
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Your framing is in so many words saying that the poors couldn't do any better, in a very greenwashed kind of way
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Nov 2, 2021 17:41
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By poors you mean working class? They would do better but they couldn't prevent climate change from making the planet inhospitable, no. They also would be severely hindered in doing better if capitalist states (with power) exist contemporaneously as there is a constant need to respond to counter-revolutionary sabotage as well as to participate in the global market systems (currency, most particularly, you can pretty much kick the IMF out if you want but your currency will be worth nothing because it won't be allowed on that market; see: Cuba, North Korea; see: Venezuelan Petro). In other words the USSR could not concern itself - and didn't (mostly) - with environmental protection/remediation because they were involved in the project of establishing communism and foreclosing counter-revolution. This took decades and ended up with bloody Cold War proxy battles and was not achieved! Sixty two years of glorious revolution in Cuba, they are today liberalizing portions of their economy because they are responding to the same liquidity crisis all nations are - a crisis which was manufactured by the ruling class.
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Nov 2, 2021 17:50
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If you're saying that the revolution would have to be massive, international, and strategically sound then I agree but USSR's revolution/work doesn't apply (as a limit to what's possible) because we are dealing with some unprecedented circumstances not to mention better communication tech
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Nov 2, 2021 18:08
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Inshallah all your dreams come true. In thirty years you can seat me in the corner with a dunce cone if they do.
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Nov 2, 2021 18:15
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I'm more imagining that the heatwaves which kill 80 million people in one go will come true but if we're talking about hopes and dreams there you go edit: heck in my hopes and dreams I even settle for both coming true
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Nov 2, 2021 18:20
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Perry Mason Jar posted:By poors you mean working class? They would do better but they couldn't prevent climate change from making the planet inhospitable, no. They also would be severely hindered in doing better if capitalist states (with power) exist contemporaneously as there is a constant need to respond to counter-revolutionary sabotage as well as to participate in the global market systems (currency, most particularly, you can pretty much kick the IMF out if you want but your currency will be worth nothing because it won't be allowed on that market; see: Cuba, North Korea; see: Venezuelan Petro). you really can only argue nothing matters in this fashion from a position of first world comfort did evo morales stop environmental crimes in bolivia? hell no, but the fash coup gov was blow up mountains with the people still on them and cart off the lithium profits to miami did cuba fail at achieving socialism? maybe, but just look at haiti right besides it to see what long term despoiling destruction looks like, there's basically no topsoil left did brazil stop deforestation with it's center left pink tide government? no, but it steadily reduced deforestation rates only for them to skyrocket the moment they were out along with a new push to displace and genocide native populations you're not wrong that socialism didn't win yet and climate change megadeaths are going to happen, but the case for revolution is choosing between dead eyed fash psychos skinning your family alive in front of you before shoving a live rat up your rear end or taking care of managing the decline through having a semblance of collective rule ala countries where socialism did win like vietnam
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Nov 2, 2021 18:48
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bagual posted:you really can only argue nothing matters in this fashion from a position of first world comfort My argument is not nothing matters. quote:They would do better but they couldn't prevent climate change from making the planet inhospitable, no. Did Evo Morales stop environmental crimes in Bolivia? He provided land rights and land protections for Indigenous Bolivians, who were themselves instrumental in resisting the coup. He expanded lithium mining. I don't know anything else. Surely he was better for the environment than his neighbors. Did Cuba fail at achieving socialism? No. And I never said they did. Cuba is, by UN study, the only sustainable country in the world and emerging socialist states would do well to ape what they did/do there. Haiti has been the backyard of US RC and Intel for decades, including multiple coups. Haiti has been brutalized by imperialists, the Haitians are not to blame (save for those Haitian US puppets, of course). Did Brazil stop deforestation with its center left pink tide government? Mildly! But they did, sure. And then the CIA overthrew that government on bogus corruption charges. bagual posted:you're not wrong that socialism didn't win yet and climate change megadeaths are going to happen, but the case for revolution is choosing between dead eyed fash psychos skinning your family alive in front of you before shoving a live rat up your rear end or taking care of managing the decline through having a semblance of collective rule ala countries where socialism did win like vietnam It absolutely is better and should be attempted.
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Nov 2, 2021 19:02
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PMJ I just want to offer sympathies and thanks, I do not understand how so many different people manage to misread you constantly when you're like the clearest and most consistent poster here. It is kind of amazing, and you're always remarkably kind about it. Also I really appreciated those news roundup posts you did.
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Nov 2, 2021 19:13
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To wit: the ends justify any means
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Nov 2, 2021 19:18
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Irony.or.Death posted:PMJ I just want to offer sympathies and thanks, I do not understand how so many different people manage to misread you constantly when you're like the clearest and most consistent poster here. It is kind of amazing, and you're always remarkably kind about it. Also I really appreciated those news roundup posts you did. Cheers, very kind of you to say. Yes! I was trawling through old posts trying to dig something up (radiative forcing from solar minimums/maximums) and saw the roundups and felt a little bad that it's been so long since my last. I can't promise I'll do another but I'd like to, will depend on my mood and free time.
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Nov 2, 2021 19:21
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saw this and thought of you all https://twitter.com/dieDoktor/status/1454906038432501763?s=20
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Nov 2, 2021 19:26
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Anyone subjecting their brain to this poo poo in enough concentration to aggregate related news deserves to be commended.
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Nov 2, 2021 19:28
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or institutionalized for their own good 50/50 really
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Nov 2, 2021 19:30
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