TG Crowdfunding Thread 3: Far West has been released. That's not a joke.

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90s Cringe Rock: Nov 29, 2006

More like $176k

I do like the prominence of the inspirations bingo card.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 15:04

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# ? May 22, 2024 05:26

Serf: May 5, 2011

hopefully is actually a usable game now

# ? Nov 2, 2021 15:05

90s Cringe Rock: Nov 29, 2006

well sure, it'll look pretty on any shelf!

quote:

We've spent the last few years playtesting and refining and playtesting again, and now we've got the most complete, easy to understand, terror-inducing rules on this planet (or any other). A quick summary of the changes between 0e and 1e:

* Combat and violence have been greatly clarified and simplified, replacing the old opposed roll system with a more intuitive "roll to hit then roll damage" system. Many edge cases have been smoothed out, and the whole thing overall is much better.

* Health has now moved to a Wounds system, which is faster, more visceral, and much more evocative. Taking damage isn't just about losing abstract points, it's about suffering specific injuries that tell a story and prioritize quick thinking and difficult choices (more about this in The Books section below).

* Armor is no longer a save, but rather destructible Armor Points. Ignore any damage less than your AP, but if you take more damage than your AP, your armor is destroyed. Time to raid the nearby crew-lockers...

* We've removed levels all together, and characters start off a little stronger and can increase their Saves through Shore Leave, spending time training, resting, and gaining new skills.

* All the classes have been rebalanced and skill selection has become much more specialized. If you're the person who is good at First Aid, you kick rear end at it.

* The Stress & Panic system has been rebalanced (no more Heart Attacks after taking a couple points of Stress... those were the days). Additionally, we've added the brand new d20 Panic Die. This is a die you only roll when making Panic Checks, which speeds things up greatly and makes Panic Checks a lot easier for new players to understand.

* We removed a lot of weird edge cases to the rules and streamlined how combat and violent encounters work, removing a ton of rolls and vestigial nonsense.

* A lot of quality-of-life changes have been made to the text, mostly in how it's explained and presented, to make it easier to understand for beginners.

Overall, we think it is absolutely the best version of Mothership to date, and if you want to read more about the awesome changes we've made, check out the section on the Books below.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 15:10

DLC Inc: Jun 1, 2011

Serf posted:

hopefully is actually a usable game now

what was wrong with the first edition of the game a few years back?

# ? Nov 2, 2021 15:17

Serf: May 5, 2011

DLC Inc posted:

what was wrong with the first edition of the game a few years back?

from the point of view of a gm it was non-functional. there were basically no guidelines on how to build anything when it came out. you could play it, and there were pre-written adventures, but designing your own stuff required you to just guess and make up the numbers yourself

the system is also very punishing and hews to classic osr design where you're supposed to touch the dice as little as possible. success chances are hilariously low. basically its the worst of playing mother-may-i with the gm so they don't make you roll and likely fail, which will in turn likely send you and your team into a doom spiral.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 15:23

90s Cringe Rock: Nov 29, 2006

Next, and what I'm sure you're all most excited about: we've finally put together a Warden's Operations Manual. This little toybox can take you from newbie Warden to veteran in 60 pages. With the WOM in your arsenal, you'll be able to handle common problems like:

* How do I prep for a session? How do I know when I'm done prepping?
* How do I run a horror game? How do I maintain tension?
* What about campaigns? How do I even begin to structure and run one?

Each of these sections takes a nuts-and-bolts, easy to master, step-by-step approach to teaching new Wardens how to run Mothership�.

Confession time: I am not a great gamemaster. So all of the tips in this book have been hard won over many years of frustration, wondering why my campaigns weren't working, or were always stalling out. This book is the product of those hard games!

also there's a monster manual

# ? Nov 2, 2021 15:27

Lumbermouth: Mar 6, 2008; GREG IS BIG NOW

Yeah since its initial release Mothership has basically just been a player's handbook and adventure modules. Any third-party stuff that people have created for it has basically been created whole-cloth.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 15:30

Vox Valentine: May 31, 2013; Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Serf posted:

from the point of view of a gm it was non-functional. there were basically no guidelines on how to build anything when it came out. you could play it, and there were pre-written adventures, but designing your own stuff required you to just guess and make up the numbers yourself

the system is also very punishing and hews to classic osr design where you're supposed to touch the dice as little as possible. success chances are hilariously low. basically its the worst of playing mother-may-i with the gm so they don't make you roll and likely fail, which will in turn likely send you and your team into a doom spiral.

Yeah legit the new Free League Alien game was basically what Mothership's mechanics wanted so you could just use that in the Mothership "setting" as it is.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 15:40

InternetJunky: May 25, 2002

I was pumped for the Skyrim campaign but wtf is up with those miniatures? If I'm forking over $300+ I expect industry-standard mini quality at the very least. Hard pass just on the minis alone.

[edit]

And these are the upgraded models???

InternetJunky fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Nov 2, 2021

# ? Nov 2, 2021 17:36

Echophonic: Sep 16, 2005; ha;lp; Gun Saliva

That Old Tree posted:

Holy poo poo, $111k / 20k instantaneously.

I got three different emails about this from different sources today, they definitely have the marketing down.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 17:47

That Old Tree: Jun 24, 2012; nah

I'll admit that I was going to back just for the hell of it (I have a sickness), but I had absolutely no idea there was this kind of audience for Mothership.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 17:49

dwarf74: Sep 2, 2012; Buglord

InternetJunky posted:

I was pumped for the Skyrim campaign but wtf is up with those miniatures? If I'm forking over $300+ I expect industry-standard mini quality at the very least. Hard pass just on the minis alone.

And these are the upgraded models???

Those remind me of the figures I got with Conquest of Nerath.

The Ulfric one is just some dude with a shield.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 18:15

SelenicMartian: Sep 14, 2013; Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

Infinitum posted:

66hr warning on 'Psychic Pizza Deliverers Go to the Ghost Town'

Goons recommended as a hidden gem!

It sounds like they've cut some content of the Japanese version, including stuff like "Here's some tokens, invent your own rules for them."

quote:

Most of the variants have been removed except the animals variant which has been tweaked. We moved the ability for the mayor to win to a variant.

It wasn't even a mayor win, it was the time running out before the pizzas had to be delivered for free.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 18:54

moths: Aug 25, 2004; I would also still appreciate some danger.

The $100 premium version mothership kind of sucks if you've already got those supplements.

It's a weird choice.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 19:26

scribe jones: Sep 17, 2008; One of the key problems in the analysis of this puzzling book is to be able to differentiate a real language from meaningless writing.

https://twitter.com/jacobin/status/1455587770169053184

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Class War is the new two-player asymmetric strategy game from the team behind Jacobin, the largest socialist magazine in the United States.

In Class War, you are a collective entity: a social class � either the Capitalists or the Workers. You�ll fight for social dominance in an unstable constitutional democracy. Will the Capitalists crush this rising wave of popular discontent and entrench their position as masters of society? Or will the Workers triumph over the power of money to make society more equal and just?

Don�t let the political theme fool you � Class War leaves all moralizing at the door. The gameplay is so addictive that even your libertarian uncle won�t be able to resist the world-historic struggle unfolding in the deck of cards before him. And if he looks closer, he just might see, for the very first time, what a socialist perspective on our society�s class antagonisms really looks like.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 20:10

Memnaelar: Feb 21, 2013; WHO is the goodest girl?

90s Cringe Rock posted:

spokky space game funded in 0.15 second

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gerdling/mothership-sci-fi-horror-rpg-1st-edition-boxed-set

Ugh. I wish they had more information for returning backers. I backed everything when Gradient Descent happened... So, do I just need the revised PSG and new materials? Did they revise any of the material in the modules?

# ? Nov 2, 2021 21:02

90s Cringe Rock: Nov 29, 2006

Memnaelar posted:

Ugh. I wish they had more information for returning backers. I backed everything when Gradient Descent happened... So, do I just need the revised PSG and new materials? Did they revise any of the material in the modules?

it looks like there are some mechanical revisions to the modules for the new rules, with a pamphlet conversion guide if you don't want to rebuy them (with dev commentary?) which I think will be free in pdf?

you just need the core set and the conversion pamphlet, I think.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 21:09

Memnaelar: Feb 21, 2013; WHO is the goodest girl?

90s Cringe Rock posted:

it looks like there are some mechanical revisions to the modules for the new rules, with a pamphlet conversion guide if you don't want to rebuy them (with dev commentary?) which I think will be free in pdf?

you just need the core set and the conversion pamphlet, I think.

I didn't see it in the wall of text, but let's say I was *willing* to plunk down the extra cash for the deluxe set and rebuy those modules just a year or so after receiving them... are they revised to incorporate the 1e rules? It's just so weird how little they address prior customers!

# ? Nov 2, 2021 21:12

90s Cringe Rock: Nov 29, 2006

Memnaelar posted:

I didn't see it in the wall of text, but let's say I was *willing* to plunk down the extra cash for the deluxe set and rebuy those modules just a year or so after receiving them... are they revised to incorporate the 1e rules? It's just so weird how little they address prior customers!

The Mothership Deluxe Set is the fastest way to complete your collection. This Kickstarter exclusive limited edition has all the core books as well as all our official modules, each of which will be updated to be fully compatible with 1e.

They've been changing things a lot, it wasn't the clearest kickstarter at launch.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 21:32

Memnaelar: Feb 21, 2013; WHO is the goodest girl?

Okay, I am 100% sure that text wasn't there before, but hey, I'll take it.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 21:37

El Fideo: Jun 10, 2016; I trusted a rhino and deserve all that came to me

BioTech posted:

I wanted to back this, but the communication from BoardgameTables.com on their previous Kickstarter; Factory Runner, was so lovely that I won't support them anymore.
Months without an update, some super snarky replies when people complained. At some point a backer met them at a convention and started putting updates from them in the comments, since they wouldn't do it themselves.

Two months between updates isn't that unreasonable right now, and as far as snarkiness, maybe I need to read farther back in the comments, but I'm really not seeing that anywhere.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 21:43

Vidmaster: Oct 26, 2002

InternetJunky posted:

I was pumped for the Skyrim campaign but wtf is up with those miniatures? If I'm forking over $300+ I expect industry-standard mini quality at the very least. Hard pass just on the minis alone.

[edit]

And these are the upgraded models???

I like the cat-sized roaming dragons.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 22:06

The_Doctor: Mar 29, 2007; "The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

The Skyrim game stretch goals only appearing in the Deluxe+ tiers is hilarious.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 22:15

Saltpowered: Apr 12, 2010; Chief Executive Officer
Awful Industries, LLC

Why the gently caress are all the minis red by default like loving risk pieces?

You can�t see any of the detail in the picture so they just look like the shittiest possible minis.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 23:06

InternetJunky: May 25, 2002

Lawlicaust posted:

You can�t see any of the detail in the picture

<mystical music plays>

Can you really see, that which isn't there?

# ? Nov 2, 2021 23:08

Father Wendigo: Sep 28, 2005; This is, sadly, more important to me than bettering myself.

The_Doctor posted:

The Skyrim game stretch goals only appearing in the Deluxe+ tiers is hilarious.

Modi hasn't had the best of luck with it's Bethesda licenses. The deluxe neoprene mat to replace the poster in the Wasteland Warfare starter was folded like a bedsheet to fit it in a box, which meant most of them were stretched or torn immediately out of the box. Then there was their only attempt at a big set piece, a build-it-yourself gas station which was MSRP'd at ~$110 and made entirely of pressed cardboard, which had warping issues in some climates. And they went from having cards for all minis in the starter to selling a year's worth of expansion's cards in a deck to making all cards print-and-play.

They're very serious about making their games have the feel of actually playing a Bethesda game.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 23:21

Vox Valentine: May 31, 2013; Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

They sure did a good job of that in their Fallout RPG because I'm enjoying playing it but it's overcomplicated and actually kind of sucks to the point where I wouldn't run it but playing is just fine.

# ? Nov 2, 2021 23:50

Desfore: Jun 8, 2011; Confirmed at least one furry on the Smash team

InternetJunky posted:

I was pumped for the Skyrim campaign but wtf is up with those miniatures? If I'm forking over $300+ I expect industry-standard mini quality at the very least. Hard pass just on the minis alone.

And these are the upgraded models???

I just read all the addon descriptions, this isn't a pack of upgraded miniatures, this is to upgrade the base game and replace the monster tokens with miniatures. So, even if you pledge for the "All Gameplay" tier, you'd have to add on this miniature upgrade box to have more than just the player characters be mini's. You don't even get a Dragon mini in the base game, in SKYRIM.

Desfore fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Nov 3, 2021

# ? Nov 3, 2021 00:18

Infinitum: Jul 30, 2004

Desfore posted:

You don't even get a Dragon mini in the base game, in SKYRIM.

loving

# ? Nov 3, 2021 01:29

malkav11: Aug 7, 2009

Desfore posted:

I just read all the addon descriptions, this isn't a pack of upgraded miniatures, this is to upgrade the base game and replace the monster tokens with miniatures. So, even if you pledge for the "All Gameplay" tier, you'd have to add on this miniature upgrade box to have more than just the player characters be mini's. You don't even get a Dragon mini in the base game, in SKYRIM.

See, that sounds a lot better to me. I was like "wait, I thought there were only a few minis in the box, now you're telling me that you get crappy ones and have to pay to "upgrade" them?"

Selling the minis in a separate box should be the default, if you ask me. But yes, they do look bad in this case.

# ? Nov 3, 2021 01:39

Memnaelar: Feb 21, 2013; WHO is the goodest girl?

So, uh, I never got into Monsterpocalypse when it was Privateer's baby. Now that they're sharing it with Mythic... is it any good?

# ? Nov 3, 2021 01:39

Comstar: Apr 20, 2007; Are you happy now?

So ignoring the crappy miniatures, is the base Skyrim game any good?

# ? Nov 3, 2021 11:02

sasha_d3ath: Jun 3, 2016; Ban-thing the man-things.

Memnaelar posted:

So, uh, I never got into Monsterpocalypse when it was Privateer's baby. Now that they're sharing it with Mythic... is it any good?

The new board game kinda looks like the original edition of the game, which I played within an inch of its life. That might be worth it.

# ? Nov 3, 2021 11:04

eskimaux: Jun 28, 2007

Memnaelar posted:

So, uh, I never got into Monsterpocalypse when it was Privateer's baby. Now that they're sharing it with Mythic... is it any good?

I�ve played it a few times- it�s silly fun smashing kaiju into buildings. Is it worth the expensive buy in with the sets and miniatures out now? Probably not. Is it worth it for the price of all the minis and base game stuff in the Kickstarter? Yep definitely

The only thing I�m not sure of is the quality of the miniatures in the Kickstarter- they can�t be the same quality as the current ones at that price. If they were lovely board game plastic minis I wouldn�t be happy, but I�m a tabletop miniature player so I may be biased.

# ? Nov 3, 2021 13:39

Pinwiz11: Jan 26, 2009; I'm becom-, I'm becom-,
I'm becoming
Tana in, Tana in my mind.

I keep looking at the Mothership Kickstarter and I'm amazed there's not a "deluxe digital" option. As of right now if you want to get the modules the only option is physical-only (plus pdf) which... why?

# ? Nov 4, 2021 00:47

90s Cringe Rock: Nov 29, 2006

Pinwiz11 posted:

I keep looking at the Mothership Kickstarter and I'm amazed there's not a "deluxe digital" option. As of right now if you want to get the modules the only option is physical-only (plus pdf) which... why?

You can already get them and presumably they'll be updated with the mechanics tweaks?

Yeah you'd think it would be an option. A lot of stuff that was missing looks like they just didn't think people would want it. Might be worth asking them to add one if you want?

# ? Nov 4, 2021 01:20

djfooboo: Oct 16, 2004

I have a lot of �but why� on Mothership KS. In for a buck because they will likely pivot a few times.

# ? Nov 4, 2021 01:20

moths: Aug 25, 2004; I would also still appreciate some danger.

I went in for the deluxe but dropping to either $1 or digital.

There's not enough to justify double-dipping on the supplements I already have, and I'm not paying the $40 fomo tax for a slightly-better looking screen.

# ? Nov 4, 2021 16:29

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Hey my Twilight 2K box should be arriving today. Anyone want me to post some pictures here or do a thread for it (which is just going to be the pictures and some copy paste info).

# ? Nov 4, 2021 16:56

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# ? May 22, 2024 05:26

moths: Aug 25, 2004; I would also still appreciate some danger.

I've been half-assedly working on a thread for it but my copy still hasn't arrived.

Did you get a ship notification?

# ? Nov 4, 2021 17:20

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