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Judakel posted:she seems like an idiot see when nurses say they’re as smart and capable as doctors they’re completely correct, which is to say they’re both dumb enough to drive around with expired tags and then write a master’s thesis on how it’s someone else’s fault
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Judakel posted:she seems like an idiot Did she actually say Cops are workers in that Chapo interview?
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reposting from the NYC thread h/t hulk hooligan In America in all 50 states We only have a one government party the Republicans and the Democrats is all the same Party That is against the American people the solution is to vote them out of government so we will have a small government in America https://www.askskiboky.com/
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When you're reading this, remember, this is the apology. https://twitter.com/ZachReports/status/1450205350737678343  
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She's going to get so screwed because the Democrats hate the Left
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Oct 18, 2021 23:40
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"the problem isn't that I compared a Black socialist nurse to the head of the KKK! the real problem is people on Twitter looking to get mad about things!”
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Anybody know more about this shitshow? https://twitter.com/sarbetter/status/1454161809854902280 Edit: some answers here - apparently Albany County Sheriff Apple's office filed the complaint more quickly than he expected? This was supposed to be discussed with the DA (who has a separate investigation going) and Cuomo's attorney? I'm still confused. Absurd Alhazred has issued a correction as of 10:24 on Oct 30, 2021 |
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What the actual gently caress https://twitter.com/mahoneyw/status/1455705170931769345 Edit: She did WHAT?! https://twitter.com/thehousered/status/1455727396255117316 Absurd Alhazred has issued a correction as of 12:33 on Nov 3, 2021 |
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Nov 3, 2021 12:37
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10% of NY voters and 20+% of NYC voters left the ballot measures blank. i wish i knew how the boe keeps getting away with poo poo like the nonexistent awareness campaign and terrible terrible NYC ballot layout
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Nov 3, 2021 12:45
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Nov 3, 2021 12:47
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The person I know that takes elections the most seriously admitted to not understanding the ballot measures and skipping them.
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Nov 3, 2021 13:10
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theflyingexecutive posted:10% of NY voters and 20+% of NYC voters left the ballot measures blank. i wish i knew how the boe keeps getting away with poo poo like the nonexistent awareness campaign and terrible terrible NYC ballot layout we were told explicitly there was a back side when we picked up our ballots, but if you didn’t read then measures before hand I’d guess you wouldn’t spend the time at the polling place reading the paragraphs on the ballot
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Sweeper posted:we were told explicitly there was a back side when we picked up our ballots, but if you didn’t read then measures before hand I’d guess you wouldn’t spend the time at the polling place reading the paragraphs on the ballot I was told that too, but something needs to account for the massive discrepancy between city and state levels of blankness: https://twitter.com/morganfmckay/status/1455744037244243969 the only other thing I can think of is that the measures were printed in English only e: this limited english proficiency map lines up really really well with the county-level data from that tweet 
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theflyingexecutive posted:I was told that too, but something needs to account for the massive discrepancy between city and state levels of blankness: Also to make it worse: There were two ballot sheets, and one had a back to fill out (the questions) and the other sheet had absolutely nothing, just a big white space. I told everyone I issued ballots to about the front and back on the first sheet and to check the filled out everything, but poll workers were never given any instructions to be helpful in this way. Also every ed/ad was issues a shrink wrapped package of trilingual booklets explaining all the questions in detail. However there were only about 25 of them in the single package we got, and it had a cover sheet explicitly instructing us to only give it out to the voters if they asked for it. There was also no place to display it on the table either, so, like, I have no idea how anyone would know this booklet existed so they could ask for it. I think a single person took one the whole day in my polling place.
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i like that the provision that says "the state constitution will be amended so it no longer violates the US Constitution" failed. are the feds gonna come for the state legislature now???
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Nov 3, 2021 14:35
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too bad about the voting access ones. that sucks. 1 was very poorly worded and led off with freezing the size of the senate or whatever dumb nonsense so im not surprise people skipped it.
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Nov 3, 2021 14:46
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Real hurthling! posted:too bad about the voting access ones. that sucks. Expanding the size of the senate is literally the gerrymandering tactic the Republican Party used to expand their majority for an extra 30 years the last time they were in trouble!!!!
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Real hurthling! posted:too bad about the voting access ones. that sucks. it also crammed a weird "prisoners vote in their home county" measure that I mostly could not loving make sense of. because prisoners not being counted in the place where they are incarcerated is what leads to lovely compounding bad treatment of prisoners!!
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Nov 3, 2021 15:10
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Chevy Slyme posted:Expanding the size of the senate is literally the gerrymandering tactic the Republican Party used to expand their majority for an extra 30 years the last time they were in trouble!!!! Could you walk me through how that would work? Doesn't increasing the number of seats work against gerrymandering? A seat per person means that person gets to vote directly in the Senate (impractical, but every vote counts equally), while two seats for the whole state would make for the most gerrymanderable situation? I must be missing something. In my head it's clear that one seat would be not gerrymandered because it would be a clear majority of the population without messing around with districts, so I'm sure it's not as straightforward. Edit: Gunshow Poophole posted:it also crammed a weird "prisoners vote in their home county" measure that I mostly could not loving make sense of. because prisoners not being counted in the place where they are incarcerated is what leads to lovely compounding bad treatment of prisoners!! My understanding is that counting prisoners (who cannot vote!) in their incarceration district means that those districts get oversized resources that are then controlled by the free people there, without helping the prisoners at all.
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Gunshow Poophole posted:it also crammed a weird "prisoners vote in their home county" measure that I mostly could not loving make sense of. because prisoners not being counted in the place where they are incarcerated is what leads to lovely compounding bad treatment of prisoners!! It also leads to those places having outsize power because mass incarceration is literally packing votes into their district
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Nov 3, 2021 15:15
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the ballot amendments were written almost in a comically bad fashion that I really feel like they were being set up to fail.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Could you walk me through how that would work? Doesn't increasing the number of seats work against gerrymandering? A seat per person means that person gets to vote directly in the Senate (impractical, but every vote counts equally), while two seats for the whole state would make for the most gerrymanderable situation? I must be missing something. In my head it's clear that one seat would be not gerrymandered because it would be a clear majority of the population without messing around with districts, so I'm sure it's not as straightforward. expand the size of the senate and then draw up the new districts in a way that give republicans edges in them and use that to maintain/expand your majority
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Gunshow Poophole posted:it also crammed a weird "prisoners vote in their home county" measure that I mostly could not loving make sense of. because prisoners not being counted in the place where they are incarcerated is what leads to lovely compounding bad treatment of prisoners!! The thing we have now is called “Prison Gerrymandering”. Wherein all the incarcerated people in Attica count for districting (and resource allocation for other stuff), but benefit from none of it and cannot vote while incarcerated. So a free person in town nearby has a vote that counts twice (or more) as much as a person in the Bronx, because they are essentially voting on behalf of one or more prisoners who can not do so. It’s bad. Prop 1 would’ve ended the practice, and the fact that it doesn’t sucks! Absurd Alhazred posted:Could you walk me through how that would work? Doesn't increasing the number of seats work against gerrymandering? A seat per person means that person gets to vote directly in the Senate (impractical, but every vote counts equally), while two seats for the whole state would make for the most gerrymanderable situation? I must be missing something. In my head it's clear that one seat would be not gerrymandered because it would be a clear majority of the population without messing around with districts, so I'm sure it's not as straightforward. They have literally added a senate seat upstate 3 times in the past 30 years each time to enable them to add +1 Republican Senator over the maps they would’ve had otherwise which in turn allowed them to maintain their narrow control until eventually even that fell apart. When you have more seats to draw with you can play more games with the lines.
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kitten emergency posted:the ballot amendments were written almost in a comically bad fashion that I really feel like they were being set up to fail. Yeah, I was doing a bit of research before sending out my absentee ballot, and I got the opposite impression from what they were allegedly supposed to convey. Like, the House being too small for the population is a serious problem on the federal level, right? Edit: Chevy Slyme posted:They have literally added a senate seat upstate 3 times in the past 30 years each time to enable them to add +1 Republican Senator over the maps they would’ve had otherwise which in turn allowed them to maintain their narrow control until eventually even that fell apart. When you have more seats to draw with you can play more games with the lines. You are going to really have to walk me through this, because adding while gerrymandering and not accounting for population (leading to rotten boroughs that violate Reynolds v. Sims) would do that, sure. But Democrats now control districting and the latter should put paid to tricks like taking one Senate district with 200,000 and near Republican majority and turning it into four districts with 50,000 each and a clear Republican majority in three. So I'm going to need to see what exactly transpired. Absurd Alhazred has issued a correction as of 15:25 on Nov 3, 2021 |
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Yeah, I was doing a bit of research before sending out my absentee ballot, and I got the opposite impression from what they were allegedly supposed to convey. Like, the House being too small for the population is a serious problem on the federal level, right? The house is too small for the population is a problem specifically tied to the fact that we have 6 states that must have only one rep, and because boundaries are blocked on state borders. (another thing prop 1 did is remove block on border restrictions for senate districts, for similar reasons). It isn't inherently meaningful how many seats you have per-se, so long as each district is of relatively equal size. That can't happen for the House as constructed because Wyoming exists, basically. quote:Edit: Correct, the Republicans could not do that under the current framework. They did do so when their majority was narrow and threatened several times in the past several decades however. Prop one sought to prevent anyone from pulling the same trick in the future. Chevy Slyme has issued a correction as of 16:00 on Nov 3, 2021 |
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Chevy Slyme posted:The house is too small for the population is a problem specifically tied to the fact that we have 6 states that must have only one rep, and because boundaries are blocked on state borders. (another thing prop 1 did is remove block on border restrictions for senate districts, for similar reasons). It isn't inherently meaningful how many seats you have per-se, so long as each district is of relatively equal size. That can't happen for the House as constructed because Wyoming exists, basically. I see what you mean, New York doesn't have the Constitutionally-protected rotten district tiny rotten borough issue. I don't know that I agree that the district count doesn't matter - the one or two district limit just wouldn't be a deliberative body, to take it to absurds. quote:Correct, the Republicans could not do that under the current framework. They did do so when their majority was narrow and threatened several times in the past several decades however. Prop one sought to prevent anyone from pulling the same trick in the future. It feels like it isn't solving the right problem, though. The problem isn't that we don't want the Senate to get bigger, it's that we don't want it to get bigger in a way that reduces representation.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I see what you mean, New York doesn't have the Constitutionally-protected rotten district tiny rotten borough issue. I don't know that I agree that the district count doesn't matter - the one or two district limit just wouldn't be a deliberative body, to take it to absurds. Sure, it matters insofar as the size is meaningful; insofar as the goal of having a separate senate and assembly is, at least partly, to represent people in constituencies that are both more individually representative (the assembly), and also more representative of a broader community of interest (the senate), and the various other goals of determining what an 'appropriate' size of a legislative district is. It's now, however, meaningful in terms of equality of representation, which is what's at issue here; I should've been more clear. quote:It feels like it isn't solving the right problem, though. The problem isn't that we don't want the Senate to get bigger, it's that we don't want it to get bigger in a way that reduces representation. I mean, at the end of the day, what it is is the counterargument to the claim that prop 1 is designed to perpetuate one party rule. It's turning off the knob that was previously used to... perpetuate one parties control of a particular legislative chamber. It's worth noting also that what the ballot question does is freeze the number of senate seats, not cap it. So a seat can't be removed to create a favorable districting situation either. And it's also a bit of constitutional cleanup. The current state constitution actually reads that there should be 50 seats in the senate! And then there's a weasel worded "except as further legislated" clause. The prop would properly set the number in the constitution to reflect current reality, and then remove that clause.If you want to change the number of senate seats, it can still be done w/ a constitutional amendment, same as always. But the senate should not essentially have cart blanche to resize itself to suit the aims of it's members. That is the point. That is the problem that needs to be solved.
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Chevy Slyme posted:But the senate should not essentially have cart blanche to resize itself to suit the aims of it's members. That is the point. That is the problem that needs to be solved. Even as it works now, the Senate and the House (and the Governor, unless they veto it and there isn't a veto-override) have to agree to expand the Senate, right?
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In rural (red) Dutchess county I saw a ton of vote no on 1, 3 and 4 signs so when I saw that 3 and 4 were about expanding voting rights I reflexively voted yes on 1 as well despite not fully understanding it
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The fact that there was basically nobody campaigning to vote Y on 1, 3, 4 or even any kind of education whatsoever is political malpractice of the highest caliber.
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Chevy Slyme posted:The thing we have now is called “Prison Gerrymandering”. Wherein all the incarcerated people in Attica count for districting (and resource allocation for other stuff), but benefit from none of it and cannot vote while incarcerated. yeah cramming the Good stuff into a Bad lovely gerrymander was comically dumb
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mrmcd posted:The fact that there was basically nobody campaigning to vote Y on 1, 3, 4 or even any kind of education whatsoever is political malpractice of the highest caliber. Off year elections dash the democrats dot txt In my tiny deep red town in Columbia our Democratic slate actually did "good" in that the votes broke 65/35 and we had several hundred people actually show up to vote for Dems which…. Ok
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Gunshow Poophole posted:yeah cramming the Good stuff into a Bad lovely gerrymander was comically dumb There... isn't a bad lovely gerrymander here though? If you're talking about the change to the majority required to approve maps from 2/3rds to "simple majority" it's actually changing the threshhold from 66% to 60. In the senate, that means instead of 42 votes to approve maps, they would need 38. In the Assembly, instead of 100 votes, they'd need 90. Given that the Dems have 42 seats in the senate and 107 in the Assembly, that's a distinction without a difference; and again, if anything, it is making the rules more consistent and removing a bunch of dumb hamstringing imposed by the republican senate 10 years ago to get the commission to exist at all, by moving the margin required to approve maps to be the same regardless of which party is in control - right now there are different rules for when the chambers have split majorities that, essentially, make it easier for the old arrangement of "the senate draws republican districts and the assembly draws dem districts and we have a handshake agreement not to get in each others way" to persist, ignoring the idea that if the people of the state elect one party to run the show, that party ought to be able to run the show. There is literally nothing in Prop 1 that is Actually Bad, other than, arguably, the sheer quantity of stuff in Prop 1. there is just a lot of stuff that has been characterized as bad by malicious actors, and I am frankly shocked in the past week by how many people whom I would've expected to be able to exercise a little more critical thinking are swallowing it hook line and sinker.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:In rural (red) Dutchess county I saw a ton of vote no on 1, 3 and 4 signs so when I saw that 3 and 4 were about expanding voting rights I reflexively voted yes on 1 as well despite not fully understanding it In Brooklyn I did not see a single sign or receive a single mailing for any of the ballot issues. I genuinely had no clue I’m guessing that was intentional
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QUEER FRASIER posted:In Brooklyn I did not see a single sign or receive a single mailing for any of the ballot issues. I genuinely had no clue Same in Troy, Rensselaer County. Our piece of poo poo exec got reelected by a large margin. Maybe the AG can finally nail him on those sexual harassment charges in the Assembly he somehow got squashed, though?
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Chevy Slyme posted:There... isn't a bad lovely gerrymander here though? yeah I misread the vote things and the capping number of senators thing seeeems bad but isn’t really when I think it out. thanks for the detailed posts gently caress us I guess
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QUEER FRASIER posted:In Brooklyn I did not see a single sign or receive a single mailing for any of the ballot issues. I genuinely had no clue I received it and went over them the day before. None of the poll workers told me about them or to flip it but I always check front and back.
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