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Sanguinia posted:I need to get out of this hellhole country. I'm not going to lives the rest of my professional life teaching fascist-mandated propaganda and hurting LGBTQ kids for a paycheck. Even if it is incredibly dishonest, couching "anti-CRT" as pro-equality, anti-racist, and in favor of a "neutral and factual" approach to history/race relations is probably a very smart way to frame it. Especially given that polls show that upwards of 85% of Americans don't know what CRT actually is, so you will be defining it for a lot of them. It also helps Republican congressional candidates with their huge losses among the "open to voting for Republicans, but not for someone perceived as racist" demographic during the past 5 years. Edit: The Senate is debating the Sunshine Protection Act to end the switch back from daylight savings time. Biden says he would sign it and Marco Rubio is cosponsoring with Democrats. https://twitter.com/elwasson/status/1456339567615873029 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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Abner Assington posted:Not a teacher, but same. The brain drain in this country would be loving intense if the whole "If you don't like it, you can leave" mentality were as easy to realize as they think. Close with two teachers, one quit last year, one is at the end of this year, neither had a plan for after besides “be much happier”.
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Sanguinia posted:I need to get out of this hellhole country. I'm not going to lives the rest of my professional life teaching fascist-mandated propaganda and hurting LGBTQ kids for a paycheck. My wife quit teaching in Broward County a few years back. The hysteria that had been instilled in the 3rd graders she was teaching just absolutely broke her heart. Being forced to teach kids in a moldy, damp trailer where she could simply gently push a hole through the damp wall didn't help either. I can only imagine the poo poo that's going to end up in the curricula. It's too bad she doesn't keep up with many of her former coworkers, I'd be really interested in finding out how much, if any, panic still exists among the Hatian communities with Trump out but Biden kicking Hatians out at record rates up until just last month.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:This is such a bizarre example to use for something they can do a legitimate story about. They're caring for nine kids - two biological kids, six adopted kids, and one foster kid. Several of which seem to be at least high school age. They're still drinking more than one gallon of milk per person per week, but the numbers are a little less ridiculous that way. And they're not just drinking it, either - they bought at least half a dozen boxes of cereal and a large box of Oreos. I don't get the impression they do a lot of real cooking. Of course, we don't see everything they bought. For one thing, while they were out at the grocery store, they also ordered grocery delivery from a different store so that there would be groceries waiting on the front doorstep when they got home from their grocery shopping. Even with all that taken into consideration, their grocery bill has still risen significantly - but it's hitting them so hard because their grocery bill is so high in the first place. There's one other point that separates them from the average middle-class family, though. Although they're spending a lot of money to feed all those kids, most of them are adopted or fostered, and most states pay parents for that. We don't know what state they're in, but the father is wearing a Milwaukee cap. If they're in Wisconsin, the state pays somewhere between $250 and $500 a month per adopted or fostered child. On top of that, the child tax credit is bringing in another $200-$300 per child - and has been a significant economic relief for them, as the CNN anchors have since noted on Twitter: https://twitter.com/brikeilarcnn/status/1456286975623933971 As a side note, the reporters are getting very argumentative on Twitter in support of their "beautifully-filmed doc" about this "charming" (white) family , and it's pretty funny. https://twitter.com/brikeilarcnn/status/1456317866135928842 https://twitter.com/brikeilarcnn/status/1456323994286759944 https://twitter.com/brikeilarcnn/status/1456323479712768000
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Lib and let die posted:What should the media be? It sounds like a lot of people are expecting fawning coverage with a footnote that some things aren't going as well as planned. I disagree with your premise as it relates to this one specific video, because I don't think this video is "adversarial." I think it's amateurish in its execution and cowardly in its message 1. It doesn't tell you anything you don't know. High food prices are a nationwide reality right now, so the fact that high food prices are especially hard on people who buy a lot of food isn't some incomprehensible logical leap. 2. There's no substance. Alright, these folks are having a tough time buying food. Now what? Why are the prices still rising? What does good governance look like? Who is trying to solve the problem? Can the problem even be solved in the short term? 3. The reporter can't articulate his own message. We spend the whole segment with this family, and then the reporter quickly follows it up with references to politicians and economists (which ones?) who say that prices will come down next year. Except we, the audience, don't get to hear from any of them. He doesn't conduct an interview with one of these economists, or include clips of government officials discussing inflation, or even cite a specific source on the claim of the inflation rate decreasing in the event that someone wanted to examine their reasoning. Instead, he quickly pivots to pointing out that the real story is "uncertainty" with all the conviction of a high school student BSing their way through a term paper. The reason I called it cowardly is that the reporter clearly wanted to make a segment that would appeal to folks who think the President has a giant "Inflation Level" lever on his desk that he's not using, while also leaving out any of the genuine substance that would make it possible to challenge his stances. It's an entirely useless piece of television. Main Paineframe posted:We don't know what state they're in, but the father is wearing a Milwaukee cap.
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I know that Twitter requires hot takes and hyperbolic statements, less than 1% of Americans actually use it regularly, etc. etc. But, I still find it weird that there is apparently a contingent of people - who are writers for the NYT, Politico, and Washington Post no less - that think the Sunshine Protection Act would usher in a nightmare world of horror. https://twitter.com/PattyMurray/status/1456335127462748171 https://twitter.com/suellentrop/status/1456343634257842181 https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/1456342051201687555 https://twitter.com/aduehren/status/1456343219470471171 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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It always gets so mean when people start second guessing people's spending decisions. It's one of the worst parts about any piece exploring a family's budget limitations. Sometimes scorn is deserved, but people really don't hold back if it's a stranger even if they don't realize the full scope of what they don't know.
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Eric Cantonese posted:It always gets so mean when people start second guessing people's spending decisions. It's one of the worst parts about any piece exploring a family's budget limitations. People don’t want to accidentally extend sympathy to someone who isn’t going to Civic Heaven because then (???) would happen and we don’t want that.
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Eric Cantonese posted:It always gets so mean when people start second guessing people's spending decisions. It's one of the worst parts about any piece exploring a family's budget limitations. Yeah, it's gross, and it's yet another style of rhetoric that used to be confined to rightwing pieholes & fingers.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I know that Twitter requires hot takes and hyperbolic statements, less than 1% of Americans actually use it regularly, etc. etc. It's actually true, though - we did try it, and people really loving hated it. Like, absolutely stop switching time back and forth, but making it permanently daylight saving time is just going to lead to the same problems we saw back in the 70s as soon as people realize they're having to send their kids to school in pretty much complete darkness. You know, in places that aren't Alaska.
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So why don't we pin it to the other direction, where it gets lighter earlier and also darker earlier? Just stop with the switching already
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haveblue posted:So why don't we pin it to the other direction, where it gets lighter earlier and also darker earlier? Just stop with the switching already The people in support of permanent DST generally cite the studies on improved health, energy usage, and crime for why they want permanent DST over permanent ST. (Plus, the obvious not switching times back and forth) https://twitter.com/PattyMurray/status/1456335469399134210
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haveblue posted:So why don't we pin it to the other direction, where it gets lighter earlier and also darker earlier? Just stop with the switching already Because it gets dark too early in certain areas when it's the other way around. This is basically a fight between people in areas where it gets dark too early vs. areas where it is dark too late in the morning. (oversimplification here) AKA the easternmost people in timezones vs. westernmost.
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Lib and let die posted:You don't even need to leave the google search result page to know why we're sending interlopers to Nicaragua. ortega and the sandinistas have been in power multiple times and ortega personally for ~15 of the last 20 years. it's not really the same as the standard 'a leftist gain some power, regime change them!' foreign policy
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I know that Twitter requires hot takes and hyperbolic statements, less than 1% of Americans actually use it regularly, etc. etc. I am unsurprised that the least useful people in the country want to keep it. *quick summary, it wreaks havoc on people with regular medication schedules especially the elderly (who can have severe problems from a dose being an hour early/late); it fucks up traffic and shipping by messing with everyone on the road’s circadian rhythms; it correlates with an increase in domestic violence as people are an hour less of sleep more irritable; all that, and more, so that…?????? WHO BENEFITS FROM KEEPING THIS DUMB poo poo
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Herstory Begins Now posted:ortega and the sandinistas have been in power multiple times and ortega personally for ~15 of the last 20 years. it's not really the same as the standard 'a leftist gain some power, regime change them!' foreign policy How long has the house of Saud been in power? Oh I guess that’s not really a factor then. It really is just economic warfare and the desire to insist there’s some good reason the US is interfering in an upcoming election on a scale that dwarfs whatever Russia did in ‘16 is hilarious. Scraping the bottom of the barrel to defend the empire is not a good look! You can just say it’s lovely and not our business rather than doing unpaid unwitting Raytheon internships in front of all of us.
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haveblue posted:So why don't we pin it to the other direction, where it gets lighter earlier and also darker earlier? Just stop with the switching already This is literally what we should do - most of the negative health effects and whatnot are due to the time changing, not whether it's standard or daylight saving time. You'd avoid a lot of the problems just by stopping the time change, and it's worth a shot to try year-round standard time considering that we already did this song and dance with permanent DST and it failed miserably. How are u posted:Somehow the citizens of Alaska and Canada manage to live with it, and the world keeps on turning. People are surprisingly flexible. Again - we already tried this, and people did adapt. By changing the law back to what it was previously. I don't see any reason to suspect it'll be different this time. And I'll say again - I'm 1000% in favor of stopping the time change, I just think we should try permanent standard time. Lager fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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Lager posted:You know, in places that aren't Alaska. Somehow the citizens of Alaska and Canada manage to live with it, and the world keeps on turning. People are surprisingly flexible.
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Sax Mortar posted:Because it gets dark too early in certain areas when it's the other way around. OK, let's redivide America into two time zones, DST and ST, cut where mountain meets central today
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FlamingLiberal posted:God I loving hate having to get up in the dark. It sucks rear end. I’m not sure why these people want to send their kids to school in total darkness but fine. I prefer getting up in the dark vs. having sunset at 4pm
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Baronash posted:I disagree with your premise as it relates to this one specific video, because I don't think this video is "adversarial." I think it's amateurish in its execution and cowardly in its message Yeah, this is reasonable, and it's definitely not an ideal criticism of Biden or what he can reasonably do because to do that would require criticism of capital itself and that's...just not the kind of person that gets hired at CNN. But I use the word 'transactional' because it is momentarily useful if nothing else. I don't expect to find Anderson Cooper standing next to me on the picket line singing 16 tons, but corporate media has at least provided a useful jumping off point for the terminally-online politics brained to start a deeper discussion with The Average, Offline CNN Viewer if not on the failures of the system as a whole but as to why they should be just as critical of CNN or MSNBC's motives to publish a given story as they are of FOX's. If you're dealing with someone that willingly adopts the label of liberal you likely have a better chance on finding some common ground if it's built on criticism by a source that they find trustworthy. Hell, you can have a productive conversation with a dyed-in-the-wool, true believer Trump voter about the corporate influence on news media if you coach it in the right language and approach it from an angle they're already receptive to. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:If this administration passed permanent DST I will call it a win Begrudgingly, 
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FlamingLiberal posted:God I loving hate having to get up in the dark. It sucks rear end. I’m not sure why these people want to send their kids to school in total darkness but fine. I don't love getting up in the dark, but having it dark before I get home in winter makes me totally miserable. Just makes it feel like the day is completely over.
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FlamingLiberal posted:God I loving hate having to get up in the dark. It sucks rear end. I’m not sure why these people want to send their kids to school in total darkness but fine. Schools are prisons anyway.
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HonorableTB posted:I live in Seattle where we get both the super late sunrise and super early sunsets at the same time and it makes our daylight hours hilariously short. 1000 years of darkness upon us as we declare SAD is a baby back bitch and activate hard mode looking like goofy going "I'll fukken do it again" as we drop to 6 hours of daylight on the solstice People always say you can’t judge the past by modern standards but I know my rear end in a top hat ancestors weren’t snow leopards or nothing and they still planted us in Iowa. They were dumb for that.
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selec posted:How long has the house of Saud been in power? Oh I guess that’s not really a factor then.
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HonorableTB posted:I live in Seattle where we get both the super late sunrise and super early sunsets at the same time and it makes our daylight hours hilariously short. 1000 years of darkness upon us as we declare SAD is a baby back bitch and activate hard mode looking like goofy going "I'll fukken do it again" as we drop to 6 hours of daylight on the solstice I've lived with 3.5 hours of daylight in the depth of winter and while it's ~not great~ you do kind of get used to it. Living a cozy life inside, wrapped in eternal darkness.
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haveblue posted:OK, let's redivide America into two time zones, DST and ST, cut where mountain meets central today nah, let's just divide each time zone in half and make them half hour increments
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Main Paineframe posted:but there should be some genuine domestic opposition to Ortega too. There's a real tendency among Americans - even anti-imperialist Americans - to see everything in other countries through the lens of their relationship to America and discount the impact of actual domestic politics in those countries. There is genuine domestic opposition to Ortega. I've met some of them. There were massive protests a few years ago when Ortega tried to cut the social security system. Those protests saw college aged kids getting shot in the streets by the police forces. It's not a good situation and Ortega is not like, a left wing ally at this point just because he claims to be a socialist. Edit: Does D&D have a Latin America thread anymore? I couldn't find it. Hellblazer187 fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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Hellblazer187 posted:Ortega sucks and is essentially a dictator but US sanctions are like the worst possible thing. All that will do is make a bad situation worse for the people there. gently caress that. idc if they sanction ortega personally, but yeah the last thing nicaragua needs are sanctions btw if anyone here is familiar with nicaraguan politics, you should look up who Ortega had arrested because it really isn't some nebulous oppositon figures, it's the other major candidates Hellblazer187 posted:There is genuine domestic opposition to Ortega. I've met some of them. There were massive protests a few years ago when Ortega tried to cut the social security system. Those protests saw college aged kids getting shot in the streets by the police forces. It's not a good situation and Ortega is not like, a left wing ally at this point just because he claims to be a socialist. yeah pretty much
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Eric Cantonese posted:It always gets so mean when people start second guessing people's spending decisions. It's one of the worst parts about any piece exploring a family's budget limitations. It's because the media either doesn't have any concept of what a normal working-class family looks like, or knowingly chooses to seek out extreme examples when creating hardship stories for families that tend to actually be much better off than the reporter suggests, which tends to provoke a backlash. It gets real obvious when they give numbers and details, of course. Let's not forget this old classic from the WSJ.  And of course it's even worse in news orgs' finance sections, where you'll see plenty of obviously ridiculous budgets offered up to explain how $250k a year barely counts as subsistence income. https://twitter.com/MarketWatch/status/1178369905244229633
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Main Paineframe posted:It's because the media either doesn't have any concept of what a normal working-class family looks like, or knowingly chooses to seek out extreme examples when creating hardship stories for families that tend to actually be much better off than the reporter suggests, which tends to provoke a backlash. lol that mortgage payment alone is more than many people I know live off of.
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