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4A opens by introducing your childhood friend, a teenage girl who, despite growing up in and only ever knowing a post-apocalyptic world where society has broken down and ever day is a desperate struggle for survival, acts exactly like the stock “female childhood friend” from every forgettable high-school anime. Really sets the tone for the kind of writing you can expect.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:SMT4A = pwnage. The perfect follow up to 4. Best final boss next to Lucifer in 3. SMT4A does own but lmao at considering Lucifer in Nocturne a good boss fight.
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Nov 4, 2021 23:48
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NikkolasKing posted:I like SMT. I like the ideas and the gameplay. I would not, however, say I ever became emotionally invested in an SMT game. Oh I killed the world and made one of Law/Chaos? Who gives a poo poo. I didn't know anybody here, and the people I did know were bland and one-dimensional. People who don't exist aren't owed any sort of recognition of their feelings so a fictional world being blown up means nothing. That's why Warhammer 40K is edgy as opposed to impactful - because you can write "and billions perished" but since we didn't know those billions, it's whatever. this is what you say before you declare you want to return this corrupted world "to zero" and kill the mcs friend
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Nov 4, 2021 23:49
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WrightOfWay posted:SMT4A does own but lmao at considering Lucifer in Nocturne a good boss fight. its a good boss fight
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Nov 4, 2021 23:49
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Gaius Marius posted:As a christian, it's a videogame bro Yeah but these things haven't always been seen that way is what I'm saying. You're exactly right though, it's just a video game and something to think about in that context.
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NikkolasKing posted:stuff about IVA Ironically, that whole semblance ties into one of the biggest things in IV that DID emotionally hit me, and that's when (ending spoilers i guess) you have to fight Isabeau if you go either Law or Chaos and it results in her killing herself at the very end. It really hits me how she's the "neutral" route because she's the most humane of the group- she lacks conviction, her experiences in Tokyo have irrevocably scarred her, and she's unable to respond to violent, inhuman ideologies that've taken two of her best friends away from her permanently. Her standing up against you is her final chance to stand her ground for what she feels is right, and her final choice to execute herself is HER choice, not one made for her by some higher power. Watching her kill herself is the first sign that you've found yourself on the wrong path. Seeing those kind of themes expanded upon in IVA is why I'm really sad it has the reputation it does.
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Stux posted:its a good boss fight
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one death is a tragedy... a million is a statistic... you want me to care about whether you live or die? then come! show me why i should! - nikkolasking, mid boss of smt 6 moments after destroying tokyo
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I never thought Nikkolasking would be the threads Chaos Hero
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Might makes right and he's a Mod now so in a way it was destined to happen.
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one more mod rejected, i am the ban inside you
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Mix. posted:Ironically, that whole semblance ties into one of the biggest things in IV that DID emotionally hit me, and that's when (ending spoilers i guess) you have to fight Isabeau if you go either Law or Chaos and it results in her killing herself at the very end. It really hits me how she's the "neutral" route because she's the most humane of the group- she lacks conviction, her experiences in Tokyo have irrevocably scarred her, and she's unable to respond to violent, inhuman ideologies that've taken two of her best friends away from her permanently. Her standing up against you is her final chance to stand her ground for what she feels is right, and her final choice to execute herself is HER choice, not one made for her by some higher power. Watching her kill herself is the first sign that you've found yourself on the wrong path. Seeing those kind of themes expanded upon in IVA is why I'm really sad it has the reputation it does. One of the things I have been wondering about with SMTV is (spoilers for SMTIV to avoid anything possibly to close to what you reference) if that's going to be the case with the Tao character and she's going to be some Chaos route specific enemy with an alternate form. Probably Amaterasu if that were to happen. I figure Shohei will probably be the Law route specific boss, but I've been wondering what exactly Tao's role in the story is supposed to be because they keep hinting that she's some sort of Messianic figure (possibly the Megami referenced in the title for this entry) and has been working with Bethel since before the events of the game even happened. There's just seems like something more to that character than meets the eye.
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Nov 5, 2021 00:00
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Stux posted:its a good boss fight I like the part where you have to build your MC in a certain way or buy the one demon in the game that learns Pierce from the Amala Labyrinth if you don't want it to take 2 hours. Maniax/the remake make it a lot more tolerable with Raidou/Dante having Pierce but the original version is a terribly designed fight.
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WrightOfWay posted:I like the part where you have to build your MC in a certain way or buy the one demon in the game that learns Pierce from the Amala Labyrinth if you don't want it to take 2 hours. Maniax/the remake make it a lot more tolerable with Raidou/Dante having Pierce but the original version is a terribly designed fight. You mean I have to do preparation for this final superboss fight???
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WrightOfWay posted:I like the part where you have to build your MC in a certain way or buy the one demon in the game that learns Pierce from the Amala Labyrinth if you don't want it to take 2 hours. Maniax/the remake make it a lot more tolerable with Raidou/Dante having Pierce but the original version is a terribly designed fight. you have just revealed yourself as a noob of the highest order and your arguments may now be summarily dismissed without further thought
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also if youve never beaten that fight without pierce just to prove your powers you are a coward to me
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Detective No. 27 posted:I'm gonna go back and finish it sometime but it didn't grab me the way IV did. Yeah, same. SMTIV is one of my favourite games in the series, grabbed me the whole way through.
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NikkolasKing posted:Nobody gives a poo poo about "I had to kill my friends in Nocturne." Isamu is just taht nerd who wants to gently caress his teacher. Oh he's being tortured by Thor and now Nizuchi. Big deal. Oh now he's gone insane or something, thrilling. And now he's dead. i was pretty bummed about the Manikins
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Mix. posted:Ironically, that whole semblance ties into one of the biggest things in IV that DID emotionally hit me, and that's when (ending spoilers i guess) you have to fight Isabeau if you go either Law or Chaos and it results in her killing herself at the very end. It really hits me how she's the "neutral" route because she's the most humane of the group- she lacks conviction, her experiences in Tokyo have irrevocably scarred her, and she's unable to respond to violent, inhuman ideologies that've taken two of her best friends away from her permanently. Her standing up against you is her final chance to stand her ground for what she feels is right, and her final choice to execute herself is HER choice, not one made for her by some higher power. Watching her kill herself is the first sign that you've found yourself on the wrong path. Seeing those kind of themes expanded upon in IVA is why I'm really sad it has the reputation it does. I know I'm very critical of IV but of the things I will absolutely praise it for, fighting Isabeau is top of that list alongside the White Ending. I got stuck in the Law route and was pretty unhappy about it but fighting Isabeau was very good and memorable. In contrast, I don't remember poo poo about Lucifer except his voice distortion effect sucked.] It's funny so many people poo poo on IVA but will absolutely rush to agree that it had better designs, especially for Lucy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wQcL_J71-I&t=116s
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Snake Maze posted:4A opens by introducing your childhood friend, a teenage girl who, despite growing up in and only ever knowing a post-apocalyptic world where society has broken down and ever day is a desperate struggle for survival, acts exactly like the stock “female childhood friend” from every forgettable high-school anime. Really sets the tone for the kind of writing you can expect. Asahi rules
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Junpei posted:Asahi rules https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhRSt_2f0SI Somebody once made an argument it's most morally defensible to bring her back as your Goddess since she's the one person who didn't oppose you. Which reminds me, on the topic of SMT vs. Persona in terms of progressive representation, Dagda specifically says "gender is inconsequential" and you can pick Hallelujah, Gaston, or Navarre as your goddess to make a new universe with. Nobody ever brings this up. It at least counts as much as with Jun since Tatsuya/Lisa was so obviously canon.
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Stux posted:one more mod rejected, i am the ban inside you
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Saagonsa posted:You mean I have to do preparation for this final superboss fight??? It's not really a superboss. It's the final boss of a not particularly hidden ending. And the "preparation" is to bring this one particular skill that doesn't even make the fight easier so much as not insanely tedious. Just remove Lucifer's resistance to Almighty and it's a perfectly fine boss fight.
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It's a Superboss added to the extra hard dungeon added in the rerelease. That's it's whole purpose
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Gaius Marius posted:Not really, the ethos of SMT has never been people all randomly dying. They don't die randomly, they die because someone much more powerful decided to kill them and could. Everything in SMT ultimately revolves around power, and even if you go down a neutral or law route you ultimately win because you were stronger than the opposition and defeated/killed them, and probably sacrificed most of your erstwhile allies along the way. Being nice and egalitarian is only an asset as long as you're alive to use it. Note that I'm not saying SMT considers this a good thing, in any way, but it is as a whole pretty clear-eyed about the fact that your in-gane success comes on a mountain of corpses, and it doesn't really matter who you are (or who anyone is) if you're not the one standing at the top.
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NikkolasKing posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhRSt_2f0SI Wait, you can make Navarre a goddess?? Why tf have I not played this yet.
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wologar posted:Wait, you can make Navarre a goddess?? Why tf have I not played this yet. Another big thing about IVA is how it turned the thoroughly nothing character of IV Navarre into what might be my favorite party member in IVA. He's definitely up there His potential murder, along with Toki's, hit me the hardest. But yeah, the Jade Dagger gimmick is totally poo poo.
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[ask] me about restarting smt1 because i deleted my save by accident and forgetting to buy any equipemnt for mc before the hospital
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Stux posted:[ask] me about restarting smt1 because i deleted my save by accident and forgetting to buy any equipemnt for mc before the hospital why
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ImpAtom posted:I can't answer for 100% sure to be honest. I was able to choose from three paths clearly but there are four pips for endings on the save file so it is possible there is something I missed. From a few pages back, but... I think the extra ending is one of the "you can only access certain features on a New Game+ run" things that they mentioned in the megaten news videos.
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Stux posted:which part why did u forget to buy equipz
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I'm very excited to wonder the open world with my friend Jack Frost and all his very nice and welcoming relatives.
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Booky posted:why did u forget to buy equipz because most jrpgs start u with basic gear but i forgot i was playing a Real GAme.
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i ordered a jack frost hat on etsy so im gonna be twinsies with my buddy as soon as i recruit him
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So I found my 3DS and most of my games and realized I never actually went through Devil Survivor Overclocked, DS2 Record Breaker, or SJ Redux before (I finished each of their regular DS versions though at each of their releases). If I were to pick only one to go through, or attempt to go through them before SMTV hits, which one would have the best additional content? I guess this would be down to the Day 8 stuff for Overclocked, the new Arc for Record Breaker, and whatever new crap they have for Redux.
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I can't speak to the other two, but I remember the additional stuff in DS1 Overclocked being reasonably meaty. I was pretty satisfied with it
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MechaX posted:So I found my 3DS and most of my games and realized I never actually went through Devil Survivor Overclocked, DS2 Record Breaker, or SJ Redux before (I finished each of their regular DS versions though at each of their releases). It is apparently an unpopular opinion but I really don't like the new arc in Devil Survivor 2. It's called Triangulum and it's basically them making up their own ending for the main Septentrion story as it follows on none of the possible endings you can actually get in the main story. It also does nothing interesting with any of the characters as far as I'm concerned. Quite the opposite, Yamato lost everything I liked about him. SJ Redux adds a new character named Alex who will periodically show up in the regular story, as well as a new dungeon called Womb of Grief which is what you have to beat in order to unlock the possible three new endings and a new final boss. I think there's a new final dungeon too? I dunno about that part. I'd recommend SJR myself. It improves the core gameplay a ton so it isn't exactly like playing the same ol' SJ, even without the new dungeon. As somebody whose first SMT game was original Strange Journey, SJR is so, so much better in my honest opinion. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Nov 5, 2021 |
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NikkolasKing posted:SJ Redux adds a new character named Alex who will periodically show up in the regular story, as well as a new dungeon called Womb of Grief which is what you have to beat in order to unlock the possible three new endings and a new final boss. I think there's a new final dungeon too? I dunno about that part. The new final dungeon only appears if you lock yourself onto one of the New endings. There are 6 total, classic L/N/C and new L/N/C. Much like Grus, it expands massively in NG+.
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