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goddamnedtwisto posted:Vim was the lead guitarist and singer of Bad News, the Comic Strip Presents mockumentary about a crap British metal band that came out within weeks of This Is Spinal Tap, completely coincidentally as far as anyone can tell. Vim was played by Ade Edmondson and has one of my all-time favourite lines, right up there with "These go to 11" to explain the brain of the guitarist - "Jimmy Page was 23 when he wrote Stairway To Heaven, but I could play it when I was 12, and I think that says it all". But did he..... Spirit's melody predates Zepp's by around 3 years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye7hCIWwhGE  
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:But did he..... They're not really *that* similar other then both starting on Dm - there's a Rolling Stones tune I can't remember the name of that's quite similar too. Bearing in mind my entire musical theory knowledge consists of proofreading a lesson plan Coohoolin was writing, they also go in different directions after that - while Stairway stays on the same root and changes the arpeggiated chord, the other tune keeps the same arpeggio but has a descending root. It's not as clear cut as, say, Lithium using the exact same chords as Where Is My Mind (and both being about mental health for that matter), or even the bajillion songs all using Pachelbel's Canon for a bass line or chord structure[1], I think it just falls into "There's only so many possible combinations of notes". [1] Tell a lie, this is my *other* bit of musical theory knowledge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM There's mostly American songs here but once you learn to recognise the pattern you'll hear the fucker *everywhere*, especially in 80s pop from All Together Now to I Should Be So Lucky.
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I think canon in D is a subset of the four chord song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ
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goddamnedtwisto posted:They're not really *that* similar other then both starting on Dm - there's a Rolling Stones tune I can't remember the name of that's quite similar too. not to be a  but these particular bits start in Am as far as i can tell  re plagiarism - eh, there are some pretty obvious similarities. for one, the harmonic progression is nearly the same - though it ends a bit differently, *and* it's a pretty common progression utilised by hundreds if not thousands other songs. them both being built around nearly the same melodic pattern is a bit more glaring (the lower notes going on an indentical downward A->C->E, G#->C->E, G->C->E trip stands out in particular). them both seemingly aiming for the same overall vibe and atmosphere is kind of obvious too (though this *is* a subjective judgement of course, your mileage may vary) that said, Stairway To Heaven is quite a bit more musically-complex, even over the course of the presented short snippet - to the point of the Taurus track sounding almost like its demo version or something. so even if there *was* some, uh, inspiration going on Jimmy Page's part, imo it's doing enough with the material to be a straightforward rip-off
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goddamnedtwisto posted:They're not really *that* similar other then both starting on Dm - there's a Rolling Stones tune I can't remember the name of that's quite similar too. Zepp: I might have given them the benefit of the doubt except for the numerous times they seem to have somehow accidentally and without prior knowledge - ahem - used other peoples' tunes/lyrics without acknowledgement. (Some have subsequently had acknowledgements added). eg Dazed and Confused https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTsvs-pAGDc They're far from the only ones though: Cream - Sunshine of your love (does not have a 14 min drum solo). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt51rITH3EA Iron Butterfly - In a gadda da vida (big favourite down the youth club in Germany when I was a teen) (SImpsons 1 minute version omitting the 14 minute drum solo) original is 17 mins. (OK 2.5 mins drum solo but anyway) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulDC1w1ydLI 17 minute version if you've got some mind-altering substances in and never heard this before.... re-living being 14 years old and the first time I heard this. (I don't belIEEEEEVVVe it they've stuck an advert 5 mins in. Hmph). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIVe-rZBcm4 Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Nov 8, 2021 |
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nurmie posted:not to be a It is, my brain completely froze up because it starts on the D string but - amazingly and confusingly for someone as stupid as me - the note of the string changes depending on the fret! (I'm genuinely jealous of people who can actually hear a chord and go "Oh that's an A" or whatever - I'm normally fine with intervals between notes/chords but can't tell the difference, in isolation, between say E-A-B and G-C-D unless I actually have a guitar or keyboard in front of me)
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goddamnedtwisto posted:(I'm genuinely jealous of people who can actually hear a chord and go "Oh that's an A" or whatever - I'm normally fine with intervals between notes/chords but can't tell the difference, in isolation, between say E-A-B and G-C-D unless I actually have a guitar or keyboard in front of me) this ability is called "perfect pitch", and it's pretty rare even among musicians. i don't have it too, tbh - i just loaded up an online piano to double-check the melody and only then realised that the first note is an A 
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I'm pretty sure a judge said that Stairway to Heaven was not, in fact, a rip-off of Taurus, so really the issue is closed. Oddly, though, the judge didn't pass comment on the Butthole Surfers' 'Hairway to Steven' album, or Camper Van Beethoven's 'Stairway to Heaven (Sic)'. Makes you think.
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kingturnip posted:I'm pretty sure a judge said that Stairway to Heaven was not, in fact, a rip-off of Taurus, so really the issue is closed. What do judges know, ha. There used to be a secretary at work who was heavily into Butthole Surfers. Never got into them myself.
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My favourite possible music plagarism is Nirvana's "Come As You Are"/Killing Joke's "Eighties"/The Damned's "Life Goes On"/Bauhaus' "Hollow Hills"/Garden of Delight's "22 Faces", a tangled web of who took the riff from who, and if it was accidental or not.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:What do judges know, ha. The biggest problem with Butthole Surfers is that only one of their albums is Locust Abortion Technician. Also, I guess, that the amount of LSD you need to make an album like Locust Abortion Technician isn't really sustainable in the long-term.
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Yeah perfect pitch is neither necessary nor sufficient to be a good musician. I can see why it would be helpful though. I seem to have good pitch memory, in that if I think of a song I haven't heard for years (and/or hum it), then play it on iTunes/the piano, I was thinking it in the right key. I could probably use that to fake perfect pitch by deriving from that each time, but 
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Guavanaut posted:I want the HIGNFY presenter who did the drugs and sexual promiscuity as PM Angus Deayton?
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Tsietisin posted:Angus Deayton? I think the joke was it could be any of them
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:My favourite possible music plagarism is Nirvana's "Come As You Are"/Killing Joke's "Eighties"/The Damned's "Life Goes On"/Bauhaus' "Hollow Hills"/Garden of Delight's "22 Faces", a tangled web of who took the riff from who, and if it was accidental or not. My completely unsourced but undoubtedly correct opinion is that all of them are actually ripping off the way classical guitarists tune their guitars, comparing 2nd and 5th intervals rather than just the unison[1], and everyone knows at least one guitarist who does it that way mainly because they had a weirdo guitar teacher who did it that way. Anyway it's a very catchy sound and also one that just falls to hand very naturally (see also Satisfaction and Walk This Way), so there's always going to be a massive amount of plausible deniability (although I admit it gets a bit suspicious when they *all* then use that exact same chorus tone too). [1] Apparently it's the way violinists and other fretless instrument players prefer to tune as it's more easily replicable than the unison method if you don't have frets. You tune the A first (and notably *all* of those riffs start on the A string) because that's what everyone tunes off in an orchestra, then compare open A and D, 2nd fret on the A to the open D and and 2nd fret on the D to the open A, and every kid learning guitar knows just *how* bad Come As You Are sounds if you're even a tiny bit out of tune.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:My favourite possible music plagarism is Nirvana's "Come As You Are"/Killing Joke's "Eighties"/The Damned's "Life Goes On"/Bauhaus' "Hollow Hills"/Garden of Delight's "22 Faces", a tangled web of who took the riff from who, and if it was accidental or not. The best musical plagiarism arguments revolve around the main riff from Louie Louie and centre not on whether it was stolen, but how subtly it was done. Current champion is still More Than A Feeling, I believe.
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OwlFancier posted:I think canon in D is a subset of the four chord song. Benny now does music theory tiktoks and teaches at uni. https://www.tiktok.com/@bennymofodavis/video/7026125317701946626?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1457617616957227012 I'm sure it does bring a certain richness to you.
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Let's just say it moves me TO A BIGGER HOUSE
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I saw the Butthole Surfers live at Subterrania back around 1989/1990. loving awesome although my hearing never fully recovered.
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https://twitter.com/corruptukgovt/status/1457383697091551232?s=21 ^ | Winning here!
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Wes Streeting - Shadow Child 
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He's one of those Black Eyed Kids the Star (or was it the Express) were obsessed with a few years back? It makes sense.
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Noxville posted:https://twitter.com/corruptukgovt/status/1457383697091551232?s=21 
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Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime... https://twitter.com/fesshole/status/1457413802518061062
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Careful, this is the type of talk that causes Left Unity to collapse.
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:klaxon emoji I cannot find: https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1457658417678532608?s=20 IT'S A KEIR SURGE. SURGING THROUGH THE ELECTORATE
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He should go and have a pint or 20 to celebrate
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smellmycheese posted:He should go and have a pint or 20 to celebrate Let's make sure he has a taxi home booked first
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smellmycheese posted:He should go and have a pint or 20 to celebrate Any other leader would be 20 pints ahead already.
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THAT Robert Dyas advert has come up again!! https://twitter.com/philipnormal/status/1456618137928019968
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Noxville posted:https://twitter.com/corruptukgovt/status/1457383697091551232?s=21 This is exactly the poo poo they pulled in my constituency last Election, and letter bombed the poo poo out of them. Which was annoying as piss, as of course it took a massive chunk out of the Labour vote (who the previous election were within ~1000 votes of taking it off the Tories) and still came a sad third. They know full well the average person won't look up/know the actual figures.
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Specifically they are going off elections held this year, which would be local council elections or something and thus obviously unrepresentative of GE trends.
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Noxville posted:https://twitter.com/corruptukgovt/status/1457383697091551232?s=21 Lib Dems? No, winning here!
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My mind can't wrap itself around the (imaginary and extremely unlikely) nightmare future of the Libdems winning after having the Tories. I'm getting the fear even thinking about the smug pundits.
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Goldskull posted:This is exactly the poo poo they pulled in my constituency last Election, and letter bombed the poo poo out of them. Which was annoying as piss, as of course it took a massive chunk out of the Labour vote (who the previous election were within ~1000 votes of taking it off the Tories) and still came a sad third. They know full well the average person won't look up/know the actual figures. i like the scottish election where some right wing nutter just set up his own party which had “green” in the name also didn’t ted heath struggle against someone also called ted heath if i wasn’t in a safe labour seat and actually liked my local MP i would set up my own Conservator party and sacrifice my 5000 quid deposit for 2% of the tory vote
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