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moths posted:I've been half-assedly working on a thread for it but my copy still hasn't arrived. Please do the thread I'll post pics. I suck at OPing. I did get a tracking number. It was UPS/USPS Surepost. They said it was being held at my post office, but when I went there, they said it should be going out today.  It did ship from Indiana so it was their logistics partner.
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Ok cool, I'll wrap it up tonight or tomorrow. It's annoying that I haven't gotten or heard anything yet.
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I got the tracking number emailed to me yesterday, but the status is still "Label Created". 
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It's just arrived at my front door. I have a meeting, but I can post pics up later. So I'd say start the thread!
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Just got an update on Suburban Consumption of the Monstrous, which is (shockingly, to me) not yet funded, and I feel like that should be changed. To quote the Kickstarter *ahem*: Suburban Consumption of the Monstrous is an anthology of several horror live action roleplaying games written by Banana Chan and Sadia Bies. Each game is set in suburbia and uses themes of food or consuming something as the centerpiece. In this collection, there are solo games, games for two players, games for three players, games for four players and games for higher player counts. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pelgranepress/suburban-consumption-of-the-monstrous/description You can go back to talking about Mothership now, thanks.
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Yeah, that reads like 'role playing dinner time in an abusive suburban family' which is a hard pass. Horror games are a hard sell.
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thegodofchuck posted:Just got an update on Suburban Consumption of the Monstrous, which is (shockingly, to me) not yet funded, and I feel like that should be changed. Kind of funny that this is funding at the same time as CHEW! It's a subversively hungry time in the TG Kickstarter space...
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Liquid Communism posted:Yeah, that reads like 'role playing dinner time in an abusive suburban family' which is a hard pass. I feel like LARPs generally might be a hard sell as a product for you to run, as opposed as an experience.
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LATAM Breakout is a collection of five games from people in Latin America, brought to KS (which isn't available in their own countries) by the UK-based Soul Muppet Publishing. Soul Muppet have already given the creators the money to make their games, and are using this crowdfunder to recoup their costs. Anything extra will be split between the five LatAm creators and the two people who run Soul Muppet.
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hegemony/hegemony-lead-your-class-to-victory I'm fully on board for Hegemony. Let the class war commence! 
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Ogdred Weary posted:https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hegemony/hegemony-lead-your-class-to-victory I was out when I saw that it included the middle class. There is no such thing; the middle class are just workers who have been convinced that they're capitalists.
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Jedit posted:I was out when I saw that it included the middle class. There is no such thing; the middle class are just workers who have been convinced that they're capitalists. Let us have our illusion in peace 
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Jedit posted:I was out when I saw that it included the middle class. There is no such thing; the middle class are just workers who have been convinced that they're capitalists. A friend I showed this too was wondering about that too, and I said the middle class are workers with only one job. Also the victory conditions for the state are hilariously incorrect.
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 34hr warning on Paint the Roses This one is going to become a table fav of mine for sure.
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gschmidl posted:Also the victory conditions for the state are hilariously incorrect. In what way?
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Ogdred Weary posted:In what way? Help everyone instead of cozying up to the billionaires and pocketing as many bribes as humanly possible before taking a well-paid board member post at some big company.
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gschmidl posted:Help everyone instead of cozying up to the billionaires and pocketing as many bribes as humanly possible before taking a well-paid board member post at some big company. That might be true for politicians, but the state still needs to perpetuate itself and retain its legitimacy
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I haven't looked at the game details but the obvious fix is to have the upper class player play the state as well, and give them half the vp the state gets as a bonus or something.
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Jedit posted:I was out when I saw that it included the middle class. There is no such thing; the middle class are just workers who have been convinced that they're capitalists. The Middle Class is clearly a demographic with their own interests and values with distinct patterns of interactions with other social/economic demographics. They're not a class in the Marxist sense (except when they're the petite bourgeoise), but the term "class" as a division of society according to status is from at least as early as 1763, predating Marx's birth by over a decade. To have them be a distinct group with their own goals makes perfect sense for a game.
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LatwPIAT posted:The Middle Class is clearly a demographic with their own interests and values with distinct patterns of interactions with other social/economic demographics. They're not a class in the Marxist sense (except when they're the petite bourgeoise), but the term "class" as a division of society according to status is from at least as early as 1763, predating Marx's birth by over a decade. To have them be a distinct group with their own goals makes perfect sense for a game. It makes no sense in the modern setting of the game. Nor does distinguishing The State and Capitalists. The premise of the game is flawed ideologically to the point that I can’t trust the rest of the design to make any more sense. Infinitum posted:
Things Kickstarter addicts tell themselves 
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Anyone have thoughts on Weather Machine?
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"That sure is a lot of systems"
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Deceptive Thinker posted:Anyone have thoughts on Weather Machine? Lacerda's a genius, Ian O'Toole does very pretty boardgames, Eagle Gryphon does top notch production. Got no specific thoughts on the game itself though. And, all of that said, it's $130 baseline, which is a lot, and Lacerda's stuff is a level of heavy Euro that is not going to be easy to get a lot of people to play and may not be for you. I own everything he's done except Mercado de Lisboa (which is atypically light and just not complex or varied enough for me to be interested, at least on paper. Maybe I'd change my mind if I ever get to play it.), but I've played only one more than once. And that's not because I wouldn't like to...
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Mercado de Lisboa is good if you want something fast but relatively meaty. It's a solid little game.
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LatwPIAT posted:The Middle Class is clearly a demographic with their own interests and values with distinct patterns of interactions with other social/economic demographics. They're not a class in the Marxist sense (except when they're the petite bourgeoise), but the term "class" as a division of society according to status is from at least as early as 1763, predating Marx's birth by over a decade. To have them be a distinct group with their own goals makes perfect sense for a game. From a Marxist point of view, which I thought was their jumping off point, it mostly doesn't make sense because it wouldn't really be possible to "win". Marx's ideas of the middle classes is that they collapse one way or the other towards the other classes in times of social upheaval. They aren't able to establish a social order based on their interests because they are by definition intermediate. The idea of the state having its own interests and goals is interesting in the light of stuff like bureaucratic collectivist analysis and the permanent war economy. But yeah, even as a hardcore Marxist and a hardcore boardgamer this doesn't tick enough boxes for me. Much like the middle classes it can't seem to decide what it wants to be.
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I kinda like the idea of someone playing as 'the faction of the capitalist class that thinks keeping a stable, liberal state is the way to ensure their power' in this kind of game. and I don't actually think that portraying the kind of intra class struggles that happen within a given group's members, like the pmc contrasted with the rest of the proletariat, is impossible. (I mean pmc in the ehrenreichian sense of mostly knowledge workers who have the potential to aid the capitalist class for their own benefit or stand alongside the workers, not in the weird post left Twitter way.) Like if you look at the government forces in Cuba Libre they are in a Marxist sense the same as the criminal faction. But they are played by different players because conflict within a class exists: it is just that people within a class also work together in the broader struggle. Because national capital and the local heads of state have different priorities than the casino syndicates and their various owners and mob bosses. So I do not think that portraying the "middle class" in a game like this is necessarily ideologically incoherent. It probably is an incoherent game though because nothing about the way the game is being advertised displays a knowledge of ideology above your average political engaged liberal.
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The government that exists separate from capital and outside of class is the Sigma Male in this model.
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Impermanent posted:It probably is an incoherent game though because nothing about the way the game is being advertised displays a knowledge of ideology above your average political engaged liberal. Isn't it made by Jacobin? Or am I getting it confused with something else.
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OrthoTrot posted:Isn't it made by Jacobin? Or am I getting it confused with something else. I don't see any Jacobin people in the designer list : https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hegemony/hegemony-lead-your-class-to-victory What game are you thinking of?
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probably the one subtitled "The Jacobin Board Game" and created by Jacobin https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jacobin/class-war-the-jacobin-board-game?ref=discovery&term=jacobin
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There are two class war games live on Kickstarter? What a time to be alive
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OrthoTrot posted:From a Marxist point of view, which I thought was their jumping off point, it mostly doesn't make sense because it wouldn't really be possible to "win". Marx's ideas of the middle classes is that they collapse one way or the other towards the other classes in times of social upheaval. They aren't able to establish a social order based on their interests because they are by definition intermediate. What it seems like is basically a 4-player Euro with asymmetric mechanics, but where each side is dependent on a another to ultimately succeed. (As opposed to something like Root or Vast, where the factions may need to align periodically to prevent a runaway, but you can ultimately achieve your objective by yourself.) It's an interesting idea for a game, and there's some decent surface-level observation going on, (Workers, to gain prosperity, either convince employers to pay higher wages, convince the state to provide health and education, or both. The state, in order to maintain legitimacy and collect taxes, wants both capital and labor to prosper, but just enough to keep the engine running.) but it's only really Econ 101 in a bubble. It's the sort of thing where, if you assume a liberal capitalist democracy is the default state and the only way to function, then sure, that's how it works, but like, *points to everything*. It seems like a decent enough board game, but hardly revolutionary (in any sense of the word).
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Fate Accomplice posted:probably the one subtitled "The Jacobin Board Game" and created by Jacobin buddy if you think I'm about to google something before i ask a stupid question you've got another thing coming.
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Impermanent posted:buddy if you think I'm about to google something before i ask a stupid question you've got another thing coming. Yeah, I think we both deserve time in the "let me Google that for you" corner on this one.
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Eastern Empires Pledge Manager is live. You can get Western Empires for €60.00 (50% off) with FREE international shipping!  I don't think you'll see a better deal on this ---------------------- 27hr Warning on - Marvel Dice Throne - Roxley Games are producing. So quality and price are going to be great, and they are known for delivering on time.
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[quote="Infinitum" post="519234189"] Eastern Empires Pledge Manager is live. You can get Western Empires for €60.00 (50% off) with FREE international shipping! I don't think you'll see a better deal on this ---------------------- I would love to get this if there was the slightest chance I could ever get anyone to play with me
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nostalgixtcg/nostalgix-trading-card-game $480,490 544 backers 48 days to go (super long campaign) LOL, another TCG Kickstarter that raises a bazillion dollars with very few backers. What the gently caress is going on? Is this the KS equivalent of NFTs?
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Hoarding sealed TCG boxes has become a pretty popular investment. I think Metazoo started as a KS, and has become decently popular (to hoard boxes. I don't know who actually plays it). So, anytime a TCG Kickstarter pops up, people flock to it, and invest thousands to get palettes of product, hoping to score big in a few years reselling "First edition" boxes. But, there was also one or two cases where allegedly someone pledged like $20k, and then tried to blackmail the creator into signing a contract with them, otherwise they'd refund the money, or report them to Kickstarter somehow... It's all a mess, but I'm sure the creators are fine with wherever the money is coming from.
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