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Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here

SilvergunSuperman posted:

I never got into yoshis island, I know people lose their poo poo over it.

Escort missions are always the worst, and that's the whole game? gently caress that.

It's not an escort. It's a platformer where the mechanic is if you get hit, you have to grab baby mario before getting hit again or you die.

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WILDTURKEY101
Mar 7, 2005

Look to your left. Look to your right. Only one of you is going to pass this course.
I haven't played much VR but I like horror a LOT. I played VR Resident Evil 7 at my friends place and ohhhhhhh no no no. Like, yes, but mostly no no no it is extremely loving intense and I was pouring sweat and my heart rate must have been 180bpm. I love horror and I get a rush out of getting scared but it was a lot.

roomtone
Jul 1, 2021

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 16 days!)

WILDTURKEY101 posted:

I haven't played much VR but I like horror a LOT. I played VR Resident Evil 7 at my friends place and ohhhhhhh no no no. Like, yes, but mostly no no no it is extremely loving intense and I was pouring sweat and my heart rate must have been 180bpm. I love horror and I get a rush out of getting scared but it was a lot.

see that makes me really want to try it because re7 isn't scary at all, it's just hillbillies and goop monsters, but people talk about the VR version being too much like this and i don't know if it's just jumpscares when jack grabs you or what, but i am really curious to see how much of a difference it actually makes

not 500 bucks and get an fb account for oculus quest curious though. i can wait.

Tetrabor
Oct 14, 2018

Eight points of contact at all times!

Waltzing Along posted:

It's not an escort. It's a platformer where the mechanic is if you get hit, you have to grab baby mario before getting hit again or you die.

Huh, I just realized its the same survival mechanic as the Sonic games.

SilvergunSuperman
Aug 7, 2010

Waltzing Along posted:

It's not an escort. It's a platformer where the mechanic is if you get hit, you have to grab baby mario before getting hit again or you die.

Close enough for me

Mescal
Jul 23, 2005

In the SNES days I thought yoshis island was terrific. SMW has this aesthetic cleanliness that i always found, frankly, creepy. YI is not so shiny, it's grungy, and has personality that borders on comix territory, but it's gorgeous. The character control is better, and you get limited flight and projectiles that breaks it out of the usual platformer's abilities that feel so neutered. I remember fewer single-level twists/gimmicks than SMW, and probably less content, but there were always things to keep you surprised and delighted. Personality is the word. The world as a whole had it, and each individual baddie had individual personality, like different cats do in real life.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!

Mescal posted:

In the SNES days I thought yoshis island was terrific. SMW has this aesthetic cleanliness that i always found, frankly, creepy. YI is not so shiny, it's grungy, and has personality that borders on comix territory, but it's gorgeous. The character control is better, and you get limited flight and projectiles that breaks it out of the usual platformer's abilities that feel so neutered. I remember fewer single-level twists/gimmicks than SMW, and probably less content, but there were always things to keep you surprised and delighted. Personality is the word. The world as a whole had it, and each individual baddie had individual personality, like different cats do in real life.

It’s too bad that:
Comix art sucks.
Constantly stop and stand still to shoot and do a floaty jump aren’t fun gameplay.
Gimmick levels are cool and good.
It’s not fun to hear Yoshi strain trying to take a poo poo every time he jumps.

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
Yoshis Island is the best 2d mario

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

It is, and its probably the best looking game on the snes generation.

tripwood
Jul 21, 2003

"Cuno can see you're trying to shit him, but Cuno's unshittable, so fuck does Cuno care?"

Hint: He doesn't care.
Here's my Mario (main games) top 5

1. Mario 3
2. Super Mario World
3. Yoshi's Island Snes
4. Mario Odyssey
5. Mario 2

Fight me?

Doctor J Off
Dec 28, 2005

There Is
I tried to play yoshis Island when it came out for the GBA after hearing all the hype not having an SNES. It was really boring, and I agree with the above poster that stopping to aim and picking up the crying baby aren't good mechanics, or at least they aren't well utilized. The obstacles and levels felt like a chore instead of a fun game. I'll grant that it looks fantastic, but that's about all I can say about it

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Baby Mario?? The race car driver???

chglcu
May 17, 2007

I'm so bored with the USA.

abigserve posted:

The best VR games (eleven, walkabout) are about taking an existing real life experience that involves generally little movement but a lot of fine motor skills and converting into VR. Imo, it works great for this, and there's a bunch of other sports that would translate really well like golf, snooker, darts, air hockey, etc. Importantly, you don't need any suspension of disbelief with these types of games, you just start playing them and totally forget you're even in VR.

You might think, just go play those things in real life idiot but a lot of the time that's not possible (where can you even play snooker anymore?).

I'm interested to see what comes out of Meta, because I think moving VR away from pure gaming is really the most important step towards mass adoption. Nobody is going to play Alyx, even though it's objectively a great game, and think VR is the future when it's still so incredibly janky to move around

Golf feels completely artificial to me without feeling the correct weight and grip of the club and impact of it hitting the ball. Any other sport game I tried felt wrong for similar reasons. Admittedly I haven’t tried many in VR and I’m mostly going off of how they felt with Wii motion controls, but I think I still wouldn’t enjoy them nearly as much as the real thing.

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

VR isn't a complete simulation of the world or a replacement for any actual activity, its still just a video game but with a different screen and controls. Expecting golf to feel like real golf is a silly and unrealistic expectation.

chglcu
May 17, 2007

I'm so bored with the USA.

Caesar Saladin posted:

VR isn't a complete simulation of the world or a replacement for any actual activity, its still just a video game but with a different screen and controls. Expecting golf to feel like real golf is a silly and unrealistic expectation.

I agree. I’m pretty much just arguing against it requiring no suspension of disbelief and replacing the real thing that people have said recently for that reason.

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

Caesar Saladin posted:

VR isn't a complete simulation of the world or a replacement for any actual activity, its still just a video game but with a different screen and controls. Expecting golf to feel like real golf is a silly and unrealistic expectation.

I agree, it would take a monumental effort too make a videogame based entertainment that was as loving boring as actual golf

chglcu
May 17, 2007

I'm so bored with the USA.

JollyBoyJohn posted:

I agree, it would take a monumental effort too make a videogame based entertainment that was as loving boring as actual golf

Golf is fun to play, exceedingly boring to watch. Just like video games.

pretty soft girl
Oct 1, 2004

my dead grandfather fights better than you

chglcu posted:

Golf feels completely artificial to me without feeling the correct weight and grip of the club and impact of it hitting the ball. Any other sport game I tried felt wrong for similar reasons. Admittedly I haven’t tried many in VR and I’m mostly going off of how they felt with Wii motion controls, but I think I still wouldn’t enjoy them nearly as much as the real thing.

The lack of weight/feedback/resistance definitely makes most things feel "not quite right". Things emulating table tennis feel pretty good due to how lightweight paddles and pingpong balls are, but everything else has the same problem the wii did.

Anything emulating boxing in particular really suffers. You have an opponent in front of you and you want to throw a punch that your brain is telling you will connect with a physical object, but there's nothing there so you have to mentally train yourself to remember you're only shadow boxing so you don't over commit. In some ways the wii is actually better because you don't have that mental disconnect when you're looking at a television

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

chglcu posted:

Golf is fun to play, exceedingly boring to watch. Just like video games.

Its actually exceptionally frustrating to play and prohibitivly expensive, the actual physically hitting the ball has potential but id rather go for a walk.

Nothing more tragic than a 40 plus boomer who unironically looks forward to their Sunday morning golf round.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

JollyBoyJohn posted:

Nothing more tragic than a 40 plus boomer who unironically looks forward to their Sunday morning golf round.

It’s really one of the saddest things I’ve ever seen.

Some people manage to have fun doing it by getting loving loaded with their friends, but I know a lot of people who go golfing by themselves or with one person fully sober, early morning on a Sunday. I understand doing it for work reasons but it’s a big ol’ yikes. I’d rather hang out with literally anyone doing anything else. Need to relax and feel rich? Go buy a boat.

Golf Story, accordingly, is over hyped and is just not a good game. The only good golf games are the N64 ones played with friends when you were all drunk and not good at it.

chglcu
May 17, 2007

I'm so bored with the USA.
I agree it’s too expensive, but really it’s not much outside the price of video games as a hobby. You can get a cheap set of clubs for about the price of a console (nice ones are more in the gaming PC range, I guess), and rounds + the balls you’ll lose on a public course are less than the price of a AAA game and provide a few hours entertainment with friends. Expensive private courses for the rich can gently caress right off, though.

!Klams
Dec 25, 2005

Squid Squad

JollyBoyJohn posted:

Its actually exceptionally frustrating to play and prohibitivly expensive, the actual physically hitting the ball has potential but id rather go for a walk.

Nothing more tragic than a 40 plus boomer who unironically looks forward to their Sunday morning golf round.

I'm definitely a middle class oval office, but I paid like 100 quid at Argos for a bag of clubs and then the course near me is 8 quid a go.

I appreciate that's a fair whack of cash for a lot of people, but it doesn't feel prohibitive? I'm not 40 (yet, eugh) nor do I go every week, but it's something quite nice a fatass like me can do instead of play New World all day. I think there's far worse. /edit: oh right, yeah, I go with my wife. gently caress a bunch of going with golfers.

All sports computer games are poo poo except Tony Hawks and wipeout. And cyberball on the atari st.

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

New World looks like some toilet water that splashed on someone's balls when they took a poo poo

!Klams
Dec 25, 2005

Squid Squad

Caesar Saladin posted:

New World looks like some toilet water that splashed on someone's balls when they took a poo poo

It's really really weird, because 99% of the time, this. You literally CANNOT tell the difference between max and min settings, and it looks like poo from a bum. But then every so often, you get a glimpse, where it's loving stunning, and it's super weird, because why isn't more than 1% of the game visually appealing?

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

!Klams posted:

I'm definitely a middle class oval office, but I paid like 100 quid at Argos for a bag of clubs and then the course near me is 8 quid a go.

I appreciate that's a fair whack of cash for a lot of people, but it doesn't feel prohibitive? I'm not 40 (yet, eugh) nor do I go every week, but it's something quite nice a fatass like me can do instead of play New World all day. I think there's far worse. /edit: oh right, yeah, I go with my wife. gently caress a bunch of going with golfers.

All sports computer games are poo poo except Tony Hawks and wipeout. And cyberball on the atari st.

That's fair enough really. 8 quid is a steal from what I've seen. I'm in Scotland so my nearest golf club is £95 a go and has a 3 year waiting list for membership (£500 plus)

And yet strangely id rather to spend my entire evening at the driving range skiting balls 40 feet along the ground than play 20 minutes of New World.

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

chglcu posted:

Expensive private courses for the rich can gently caress right off, though.

Nah gently caress them, wee rich toffs running about on their manacured greens, let them do it all day before toddling off to the 19th hole.

chglcu
May 17, 2007

I'm so bored with the USA.

JollyBoyJohn posted:

That's fair enough really. 8 quid is a steal from what I've seen. I'm in Scotland so my nearest golf club is £95 a go and has a 3 year waiting list for membership (£500 plus)

And yet strangely id rather to spend my entire evening at the driving range skiting balls 40 feet along the ground than play 20 minutes of New World.

Ah, yeah, the situation where I am in Texas is a bit different. The are multiple public courses in my area where you can play for <$40 a round with no membership required.

!Klams
Dec 25, 2005

Squid Squad

JollyBoyJohn posted:

That's fair enough really. 8 quid is a steal from what I've seen. I'm in Scotland so my nearest golf club is £95 a go and has a 3 year waiting list for membership (£500 plus)

And yet strangely id rather to spend my entire evening at the driving range skiting balls 40 feet along the ground than play 20 minutes of New World.

Yeah, gently caress that noise right off. I dunno about your comparison because the driving range is better than a course anyway, and is awesome.

But yeah, New world is poop soup. It's just a bunch of our friends play, and so is a nice, non committal thing to be doing while we hang out on discord.

The PVP is better than any MMO I've played, but it's still very obviously a poo poo game, no bones about it.

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

!Klams posted:

Yeah, gently caress that noise right off. I dunno about your comparison because the driving range is better than a course anyway, and is awesome.

But yeah, New world is poop soup. It's just a bunch of our friends play, and so is a nice, non committal thing to be doing while we hang out on discord.

The PVP is better than any MMO I've played, but it's still very obviously a poo poo game, no bones about it.

I dislike playing golf but at least with a course you get to walk

!Klams
Dec 25, 2005

Squid Squad

JollyBoyJohn posted:

I dislike playing golf but at least with a course you get to walk

Well precisely, but the range is just tons of instant gratification. We all know ARAM is inferior, but I still can't keep away.

chainchompz
Jul 15, 2021

bark bark
Deck-builders are way too popular. I can accept dice as part of how rng works but if I wanted to play with cards I'd go to Atlantic City or Vegas.

William Henry Hairytaint
Oct 29, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!
Mechwarrior 5 is a bad video game guys. About half the missions in the game put you up against opponents who have artillery and the game draws these big red circles on the ground so it's basically a "don't stand in the fire" MMO mechanic except that the artillery fires every 10 or so seconds with pinpoint accuracy. There was like 8 guns tucked into one corner of the map on one mission so I dragged my rear end over 2 kilometers out of the way to blow them up so I didn't have to deal with that stupid bullshit and they RESPAWNED. RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. WHY DO YOU EVEN PUT THEM ON THE MAP AND MAKE THEM DESTROYABLE IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT?

You have pretty much no control over your lancemates. "Follow me" and "attack my target" is it. They will follow you, unless they see absolutely anything to shoot at, including a turret armed with short-ranged lasers that have a max range of about 100 meters that is about 500 meters BEHIND you. They'll go all out to try and get that thing, nevermind that it's harmless and the mission objective is still 800 meters in front. There's also nothing you can do when they get banged up a lot. You can't tell them to ease off and fight more defensively, or tell them to try to stay at a certain range so their weapons are effective. It's balls-to-the-wall even if they're crippled and since nobody tries to hold a formation or anything it just ends up being circles of death at 50 meters for the entire battle (a problem in all Mechwarrior games, admittedly).

And they have some lovely, lovely voice acting. I had a lancemate that was supposed to be Asian and I think the only reason they don't have her say ME RIKEY when you give her a command is because they know they'd get dragged for it.

The missions that don't (usually) have artillery usually involved destroying a base. The base is huge, has to be 100% leveled, and it's not always entirely clear what parts count as the base and what parts are just window dressing around-but-still-basically-in the base. It would take hours to 100% level one of these bases with just your weapons, so all you end up doing is crashing into things and grinding your face across the walls, unable to see anything or shoot at anything, until your idiot fucker XO tells you you're done.

I love Battletech. I have been playing Battletech in one form or another since the 1980s. I am not hard to please when it comes to Battletech stuff.

Mechwarrior 5 is a bad video game.

Manager Hoyden
Mar 5, 2020

MW5 also has normal terrain features and textures scaled to giant robot size. Like the outdoor environments are designed as if the mechs are six feet tall

Once I noticed I couldn't unsee it.

Ritz On Toppa Ritz
Oct 14, 2006

You're not allowed to crumble unless I say so.
I always wanted a game with a gameplay loop like MW - manage a mercenary company - choose contracts - upgrade you and your company - customize - but with controls more like Far Cry and is an honest first person shooter not a mech sim.


Lol you can call the contracts ‘levels’ like a real video game.

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


I'm the opposite in that I want a MW game with a linear level progression but still with mech and lance customization

Vic
Nov 26, 2009

malae fidei cum XI_XXVI_MMIX
GTA trilogy remaster is coming out tomorrow and I'm thinking about paying money for it.

kntfkr
Feb 11, 2019

GOOSE FUCKER
I wish GTA online would just die so it would stop preventing new games from coming out

chainchompz
Jul 15, 2021

bark bark
Although it's turn based, battletech is way more fun than MW5.

Edit:

kntfkr posted:

I wish GTA online would just die so it would stop preventing new games from coming out

fuckin :same:

X JAKK
Sep 1, 2000

We eat the pig then together we BURN
True OG's play every mission in San Andreas with Riot Mode on

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Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

X JAKK posted:

True OG's play every mission in San Andreas with Riot Mode on

What's it like never saving madd dogg

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